http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publicati...12/15873/14474

We want to see help in the prevention of all suicides.
From the above you will see that men in most nations are considerably more likely to end their own life WHY?
Can anyone really defy logic by saying
the society they live has nothing to do with it...?

There is sometimes said to be a culture of suicide in some societies. It is also said that the media and others portrayal of suicides as "acts of heroism" contributes to the spates of suicides that sometimes occur in a locality or group of people.

Men commit suicide more because of the immense pressure they are put under. If our marriages go sour it is our fault. Even when our wives cheat on us we are told that it is our own fault because we didn't give them what they needed at home.

If we lose our jobs or fail to climb the corporate ladder in a timely enough fashion we are told we are failures. I have faced this even as a disabled veteran.

If we are abused in our own homes we are told to take it and continue taking it until we die while women are praised and even helped out of marriages that are no longer fulfilling to them while our only option in most cases is to pray for a visit by the grim reaper.

If a man is not busy pleasing a woman we are considered useless. And no man wants to be useless. So most men are left with only one escape anything else just makes things worse.

Lady Astor to Winston Chruchill, "Sir, if i was your wife i would poison your tea!"

Churchill- "Madam, if i was your husband, i would drink it!"


Perhaps one factor in modern life that contributes to the high rates of suicide by men is an abundance of females like Lady Astor.

Blessings

Bob

Rofl

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While this is true, my opinion is that MOST suicides do not occur under these conditions. Most suicides probably occur for the reasons that Chevalier gave, and I would add to that by saying that men are also less likely to reach out for help when they are clinically depressed or overcome with anxiety. It seems men (in general) are more likely to distrust therapists, counselors, and psychologists, as well as doctors and psychiatrists. They are more apt to keep their problems bottled up inside, along with their feelings, until it seems completely hopeless, until the only way out- the only escape from it all= seems to be through suicide.

The problem, hon, is that therapists, counselors, and psychologists, as well as doctors and psychiatrists are NOT any more men-friendly than the rest of the misandrist culture. Psychological training is based on what works for females, and has been since Freud. It doesn't work for men. The handful of psychologists who have doggedly determined to find ways to help men have had to throw out most of the methodology they learned in shrink school and develop men-friendly techniques. Same with medical doctors. The process of the medical business has been shown in studies to be psychologically disturbing to men patients, while being friendly to female patients. It is no wonder that men turn away. Men are just not welcomed by an industry that is wholly focused on serving females.

I do think that most men would reach out for help if adequate help was available. Unfortunately, real help is NOT available for most men. You may not realize it but criticizing men for "not reaching out" is blaming the victims of a system that is not there for men. Often it is the system that is the cause of their problems, and blaming men is somewhat offensive.

An interesting recent development in Australia is the "Shed" groups that are in fact providing help for a lot of men.


Blessings

Bob

such men may have taken the nonsense of feminism aboard and of course even superman could not live if to the impossible demands of it

better to see feminism for the gobbledygook that it is and realise that it is a recipe to turn a man into a donkey for the feminist slave driver

instead men should celebrate their life and keeps the fruits of their labour for them selves and let the feminists do the same !

feminists want equality don't they !!
give it to them

so instead of paying for her therapist, her lawyer her, her divorce of you - alimony etc etc
spend your money on a whale of a time in Acapulco with a nubile local wench o your arm

one that is not been brainwashed by the men hating feminists

Bob, mate, welcome back with one of your infrequent lucid phases.

You are spot on.

So the question is, what would we do with technique-creation if the situation were reversed? ie; if it were women committing suicide all over the place and therapies totally inadequate for them.

We would be blitzed by the media for solutions. Massive amounts of research would be done and monies poured in to it.

But we are just men and no one cares a shit.

I had a friend who was appointed to a quango to deal with suicide. He was pushed and shoved to avoid dealing with men who made up the bulk of the stats, and there were too few women 'victims' to justify the resources, so the main money thrust and activity focus was directed, 'by order', to 'yoof'.

He resigned after a year as no one would listen to him.

So, back to your point. What techniques and theoretical perspectives do you recommend for men? What are these 'man-friendly' techniques you speak of?

Bob , I hear what you are saying. What kinds of things could doctors and psychiatrists, therapists and counselors do to change things so that men would feel more comfortable and would benefit most from getting the support they need?

I noticed that some support groups run by men and that are exclusive to men seem to be very valuable.

What do you think?

TERA says:

Counselling Tip # 925

Recognise BS when you see it.

This 'bottle-up' bizzo and assumption about men and their feelings is a convenient excuse by the profession not to bother to listen.

Men do not 'bottle-up' their feelings or problems. They express them in easily observable ways and with passion where necessary. Just look around.

The 'profession', indeed society as a whole, does not like men's expression of feeling, nor their perspective on problems, and therefore do not listen or see. Men are told to operate in a way suitable for women. It is akin to blaming someone from Somalia for not speaking English.

Men have a greater capacity for keeping their feelings and problems quiet until an appropriate time. Much of his time is taken up in the hunt. He knows that he can bring the hunting party's efforts to nothing if he starts blubbering just when the prey is in sight. He knows that the confidence his fellows have in him hangs by a thread. A performance thread. He must keep his fear in check. He must not let the prey - which may well be a predator itself - smell his emotion.

The key, to my mind, is creating that appropriate time. And place. And the person to whome he unloads must not be one with whom he hunts regularly. Nor sleeps with. He needs someone who understands - fundementally -where he is coming from, does not compete with him, does not rely on him, and won't go blabbing to their friends. One who can hear his way of expressing himself.

His counsel has to be an equal or better.