I was curios. A lot of feminist talk is about oppression. I argued at some point aggainst it. But I was wondering. A lot of the time we think we talk about a specific point we actually talk about our interpretation of this point. So what are we talking about? I asked Wiki:

Oppression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Oppression is the act of using power to empower and/or privilege a group at the expense of disempowering, marginalizing, silencing, and subordinating another. Oppression does not need established organizational support; it can be rendered on a much smaller individual scale.[...]

Allthough we could argue with this definition I am going deeper into the Wiki article with more detailed definitions:

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Systematic oppression The most famous type of oppression in society is the legal system. [...] The term oppression is primarily used to describe how a certain group is being subordinated by unjust use of force, authority, or societal norms. When this is institutionalized formally or informally in a society, it is referred to as "systematic oppression". Oppression is most commonly felt and expressed by a widespread, if unconscious, assumption that a certain group of people are inferior. Oppression is rarely limited solely to government action. Individuals can be victims of oppression, and in this case have no group membership to share their burden of being ostracized. In psychology, racism, sexism and other prejudices are often studied as individual beliefs which, although not necessarily oppressive in themselves, can lead to oppression if they are acted on, or codified into law or other systems. By comparison, in sociology, these prejudices are often studied as being institutionalized systems of oppression in some societies. In sociology, the tools of oppression include a progression of denigration, dehumanization, and demonization; which often generate scapegoating, which is used to justify aggression against targeted groups and individuals. [...]Oppression is noted by living with constant fear.

Allthough we do not live in constant fear there are a lot of points that apply to men as a group.

The legal system is biased towards women

--> Men get longer prison sentences then women for the same crime

--> You get a longer sentence if you kill a woman which clearly means the life of a woman is worth more then the life of a man
( http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...ime-14308.html )

"A man is 25 times more likely to receive a prison sentence for fondling a child than a woman is for maiming or killing one. The National Survey of Crime Severity found that the average American ranks stabbing one's husband's to death as a far less serious crime than stabbing one's wife to death under identical circumstances. In fact, the average American considers it a more serious crime for a man to sell marijuana to another man than for a woman to stab either of them to death without provocation or justification."
( http://antimisandry.com/abuse-dv/dom...now-14059.html )

--> A German judge even admits that there is a female reduction of sentences
( http://antimisandry.com/deutsch-germ...att-14198.html )

--> There are rape laws that rule only women have to give consent while drunk
( http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...act-13277.html )

--> Although false accusations are happening far more than seldom, rape shield laws prevent the naming of the false accuser while the accused reputation is torn into pieces. The false accusers punishment is often nothing more then a slap on the wrist while the accuseds still suffers from the false accusation. The really sad think about it is the mentioning that false accusations harm "real rape victims" while the falsely accused doesn´t get mentioned.
( http://antimisandry.com/false-allega...lse-13182.html )

--> Divorce and family courts are so clearly biased towards women, I don´t even have to prove this. But keep that in mind:

--->Most divorces are filled by women (arround 70%)
( Divorces: 1858-2003, number of couples divorcing, by party petitioning/granted decree. )

---> most of the time women get custody. "Women get sole custody 66 percent of the time in uncontested cases and 75 percent of the time in contested cases"
( Has bias pendulum<br> swung against men? )

---> Child support: The state uses all of his power to punish non paying fathers
"One soldier returned from Iraq in 1991 after spending half a year as POW and got arrested for non-payment of child support while a POW in Iraq. A man who spent 10 years in prison for a crime he proved he did not commit was still on the hook for child support for the time he was incarcerated. As was a man whose DNA test proved he’s not even the father. Even being in a coma is not a defense, as at least one man found out. "
( http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...ety-12106.html )

---> but uses no force to make sure that they can actually see their kids.
"Two surveys support the range of this problem. Arditti (1992)Kressel, 1985) reports that approximately 50% of divorced fathers relate that their ex-wife has interfered with visitation with their offspring. Similarly, approximately 40% of custodial mothers admit denying their ex-husband visitation in order to punish him"
( Child Visitation Interference in Divorce by Ira Daniel Turkat )

--> Restraining orders can be filled really easily and therefore be abused. Ask David Letterman
( http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-ma...and-12686.html )

Courts are easily manipulated by those pretending to seek protection from abuse because the political climate reinforces that men are abusers, and there is no penalty for false claims. Thus, they embolden applicants to use them for ulterior motives, such as to gain an advantage in divorce, to get custody of children easily without a family court hearing, or as a quick eviction process. Sometimes the motive is revenge or worse.( Restraining Orders Out of Control )


"Professor Stephen Baskerville, in his book Taken Into Custody, quotes Judge Richard Russell of Ocean City, New Jersey, at a restraining-order training seminar: Throw him out on the street, give him the clothes on his back and tell him, “See ya around.”... The woman needs this protection because the statute granted her that protection.... They have declared domestic violence to be an evil in our society. So we don’t have to worry about the rights. Grant every order. That is the safest thing to do."
( Restraining Orders Out of Control )


--> Paternity fraud of course isn´t punished as well


Society is biased against men

--> "Take it like a man" or "Be a real man" are sentences usually used to shut men up

--> Violence against men is socially acceptable. That is a reason why DV against violence is one of the most underreported crimes there is. Look how violence against males by females is shown on TV. Reverse the genders it would be unthinkable

--> Males are marginalised in mainstream media. Look at shows like "Husband to Heel" or "Boys are stupid throw rocks at them" shirts or books like "How to train your husband".

--> Or marriage. To propose you are expected to kneel down and buy her an expensive wedding ring. Or look how expensive your suit was and how expensive her dress was.

--> Males are seen as perverts or paedophiles. This goes so far that British Airways refuses to seat single males next to children. While single females can adopt, single males can´t.

--> When a ship sinks males are expected to give up their seats on lifeboats for women

--> 2 out of 3 dollars in healthcare a spent for women although mens life expectacy is under the females expectacy.

--> There are woman gyms, libraries, studies, ministries etc. Men don´t have this institutions. If there are male-only institutions they get opened up for women as well.

--> If there is a draft because of a war only males get drafted.

--> Its all mens fault. This applies generally for everything. When women commit evil things it is usually a mens fault as well. Everything is.


Another interesting point and so true as well is this:

And that is exactly what we are looking for. The argument against this "It doesn´t count men did this to themselves". It is pointless. We are infected with misandry. It is so deep in our society we usually don´t even reckognize it. We have heard this stereotypes and male bashing so often, that we believe this.

Now we come to:

Do we live in a gynocrazy?

Feminist often argue that we live in a patriarchy because those who a reigning are often males. What they oversee is, that females have a far greater voting power than males. Women are not only the majority of people, they also have a greater voter turnout than males ( http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/Fac..._By_Gender.pdf ). So it is true to say it is a gouvernment put into power mostly by females. Politicans know that so you´ll always have a political agenda that appeals to women (thats why those sexist laws I talked about earlier are in place). You can compare it with popcorn movies nowadays. Everytime a romance is forced into solid action pictures so that women enjoy it, too.

I hope I made some sense here....that was planed as a short thread but somehow I got carried away. If you have other examples of males bias (or links to examples) I can add this to this post on top of the page.

Stephan, I think you have a chapter of a book here.

Nicely done Sir.

Thank you Sir.

I am bit unsatisfied with the thread though. I really wanted to put more sorces into it, but it suddenly turned from an easy fast posting to hard work. So feel free to add sth.

Oh and help is needed there is a post in our very forum where a study found out that people have different thoughts on attributes genders have (one point was male: manipulating female:....) I just can´t find it. I thought it was one of my postings where I had an table that got f*cked up and therefor colored the columns. If someone knows let me know....

(and its Stefan not Stepp-Hahn)

I once saw a cartoon which was a sketch that could be inverted

the scene was one of sexual intercourse betwween a man and a wimin
when the guy was on top the caption read sexual harassment

when the cartoon was inverted with the wimin on top it was captioned affirmative action

this is a perspective on Feckless's submission theme of crass bias towards wimin in virtually every aspect of western society

sometimes I wonder how it all will end but tyrannies have a way of imploding under the weight of their own bullshit in the end

Whoops !

Be thankful I don't call you Stovepipe.

I recall a while back on MND there was a chap (not at all like you ) called Stephen who annoyed the crap out of everyone with his defence of feminism attitudes. It wasn't long before everyone called him Stephanie.

By the way, 'Feckless' is defined in the Concise Oxford Dictionary (always close at hand) as being 'feeble, futile, ineffective, aimless'.

Not a bit like you appear to be here.

No kidding?
Nice work.
Keep hammering.

This is excellent... I'm stumped between moving it to "Why we're here" and "Facts and figures"... they're both appropriate!

Try these links:

All posts by you
All threads by you

Thx....at the moment you are moving everything arround....could it be? It is more or less an opinion so I would say why we´re here.

I tried those links but I still couldn´t find it and I really don´t know why. Thought the word manipulation was in it and that someone answered that this is a womans attribut. Ah damm.

For further information/statistics/empirical studies on men being battered equally or more so than women, as well as statistics on false allegations go to the following website:


REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS:
AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY

Martin S. Fiebert
Department of Psychology
California State University, Long Beach
Last updated: May 2008


http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

And for spousal murders try:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/spmurex.txt
Wife defendants less likely
to be convicted

Wife defendants had a lower conviction rate than husband defendants--

* Of the 222 wife defendants, 70% were convicted of killing their mate.
By contrast, of the 318 husband defendants, 87% were convicted of
spouse murder.

* Of the 100 wife defendants tried by either a judge or jury, 31% were
acquitted. But of the 138 husband defendants tried, 6% were acquitted.

* Of the 59 wife defendants tried by a jury, 27% were acquitted. But of
the estimated 91 husband defendants tried by a jury, none was acquitted.

Convicted wife defendants sentenced
less severely

An estimated 156 wives and 275 husbands were convicted of killing their
spouse. Convicted wives were less likely than convicted husbands to be
sentenced to prison, and convicted wives received shorter prison sentences
than their male counterparts--

* 81% of convicted wives but 94% of convicted husbands received a
prison sentence.

* On average, convicted wives received prison sentences that were about
10 years shorter than what husbands received. Excluding life or death
sentences, the average prison sentence for killing a spouse was 6 years for
wives but 16.5 years for husbands.

* Among wives sentenced to prison, 15% received a sentence of 20 years
or more (including life imprisonment and the death penalty); among
husbands, it was 43%.

Nearly missed that one. I always thought feckless ment weak or useless. I used that name cause it is a play on my name and it somehow sticked. I usually forget what feckless means after a while but I am wondering right now what people think of me once they read my nickname.....

'Feck' is also the pronunciation the Irish use for 'fuck'.

But don't change the name, Stefan. It identifies you in the way that feminists see all decent, reasonable men who try hard to raise their families. So it is 'claiming' the insult and throwing it back at them. A bit like wearing a T-shirt with "Rapist" on it.

I didn´t know this....maybe the reason why sites as gamefaqs don´t allow my nickname (@Karl: Also stupid-board won´t allow my nick)....should change it to Feckmore to really offend them....haha

uh?

Digital-spy forum I guess....where you had this conversation with those feminists. Posted it weeks ago.