DKE apologizes for pledge chants
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- 16th-October-2010 #1
DKE apologizes for pledge chants
By Jordi Gasso, Sam Greenberg
Staff reporters
Friday, October 15, 2010
[Connecticut]
DKE apologizes for pledge chants | Yale Daily News
After the campus outcry sparked by Delta Kappa Epsilon’s inflammatory pledge ritual on Old Campus Wednesday night, the fraternity apologized to the Yale Women’s Center in a meeting in Linsly-Chittenden Hall Thursday night.
After the meeting, attended by four DKE brothers and five Women’s Center board members, both parties expressed optimism that they could construct a “productive relationship” in the future. Also present at the meeting was Melanie Boyd ’90, director of undergraduate studies for Women’s Gender and Sexuality Studies and special adviser to both the Center and the Dean of Yale College on Gender Issues.
In the wake of the incident, fraternities Sigma Alpha Epsilon and Sigma Phi Epsilon condemned DKE’s actions and supported the Women’s Center’s Thursday announcement that it would hold a forum about the incident Friday. Members of DKE, Yale College Dean Mary Miller and Dean of Student Affairs Marichal Gentry have said they will attend the forum, the Women’s Center said.
At their pledge initiation on Old Campus, DKE members shouted phrases such as “No means yes, yes means anal” and “My name is Jack, I’m a necrophiliac, I f--- dead women.” Some of the students were blindfolded and being led in a line with their hands on each others’ shoulders.
In an e-mail to the News Thursday, DKE President Jordan Forney ’11 called the pledge chants “inappropriate, disrespectful, and very hurtful to others.”
“It was a serious lapse in judgement by the fraternity and in very poor taste,” he said, adding that DKE does not condone sexual violence.
The Women’s Center deemed the actions “hate speech” and “an active call for sexual violence” in an e-mail to the News Wednesday night. The Center sent out e-mails condemning the incident to the panlists of organizations including some of Yale’s sororities, Freshman Outdoor Orientation Trip leaders, Yale Hillel, and MECha, the Chicano student organization. Within hours, accounts of the event were circulating throughout the undergraduate community.
Business Coordinator Elizabeth Deutsch ’11 said the Women’s Center sees its role now as helping to bring people together to discuss this issue and figure out how to move forward. She said the organization does not want to be antagonistic and wants to collaborate with DKE and others to help make Yale’s sexual culture more respectful. She said the Center wants to make Yale a place where people think about their language and actions to prevent future incidents.
The Women’s Center compared Wednesday’s events to an incident in January 2008 when 12 Zeta Psi pledges stood outside the Center holding signs that read “We Love Yale Sluts.”
Kathryn Olivarius ’11, who served on the Women’s Center board in 2008-09, said that sexist incidents, including the “no means yes” chant, have happened before at Yale. She said these types of incidents tend to repeat themselves every year or two since there is not enough education about sexism and other prejudices at Yale and there is little memory for these things.
But Deutsch said she thinks Yale culture has changed since the Zeta debacle.
“I think that the fact that the e-mail and the video went viral last night shows the campus is at a different place,” she said. “There seems to be a broad consensus that this is unacceptable.”
When William Bradley ’12, president of SAE, heard of the event Wednesday night, he contacted the Women’s Center and the Pi Beta Phi sorority to express his regrets about the incident and apologize on behalf of SAE.
But Bradley referred to the pledge’s chanting of “SAE” during their initiation as part of the good-natured rivalry between the two frats and “friendly banter.” President of Sigma Nu Matt Chesky ’12 said he thought despite the campus reaction, DKE did not intend to offend anyone.
James Berry ’12, president of SigEp, said he did not see the issues of sexism and sexual violence as limited to Greek life at Yale, but rather as a larger issue that is not talked about enough.
Harry McNamara ’11, president of Sigma Chi, and Bill Toth ’11, president of Alpha Epsilon Pi, declined to comment on the incident.
Miller also called the incident an opportunity for discussion and education.
Although she said DKE’s chants were “appalling,” she added that she was happy to have been asked to lead the panel at the forum.
The deans and masters of Davenport, Calhoun and Pierson colleges also sent out e-mails to their students, and offered opportunities for students to discuss the issue.
“The plain fact is that in 2010 it is time to question some aspects of activity that HAVE NO PLACE at Pierson and at Yale,” the e-mail to Piersonites said. “Pledging to a fraternity gives nobody the right to hurt or verbally assault a single Piersonite.”
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- 16th-October-2010 #2
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Such women don't really have much right to brand something hate speech, considering the fact women's groups almost do nothing but blasting away hate speech against half the population.
- 16th-October-2010 #3
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*Shocked*The Women’s Center deemed the actions “hate speech” and “an active call for sexual violence” in an e-mail to the News Wednesday night.
Truly.
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- 16th-October-2010 #4
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So where were these women when the one college did a play in which they wore necklaces of fake cut-off testicles & chanted songs about castration?
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- 16th-October-2010 #6
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Yes the pot calls the kettle black.
We get that fellas.
But what are we to think of young men who shout this sort of disgraceful drivel ?
I care not what the women think. It is what I think that matters.
These young 'men' need to be 'growed up' in the company of men.
They ought not to be at a University until they have learned to wipe their arses and wash their mouths out.
It is a total waste of education.
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- 16th-October-2010 #7
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I could care less what the Women's Center says. Percy is right though. We don't have to excuse men's bad behavior just because they're men. I've always hated fraternities. No offence to anyone who was a member in college, but they seem to only serve two purposes. There's the rich ones, like Skull and Bones, that are there to ensure that everyone makes really good connections so the elite can hole on to their power. Then there's the normal sports/douche ones. Those guys are always the loudest ones at the party and always trying to start shit with men they perceive to be weak. Of course, they only try to start shit when there's 15 of them and one of him. I know there's some good frats that focus on service and stuff like that, but generally I consider those that join to be weak.
I knew a guy who shared with me one of his punishments as a pledge. He had to eat a stick of butter that had been rolled in dip (chewing tobacco). Of course he ended up in the hospital. He passes it off as just one of those things you have to go through and then you're a member and can do it yourself to new pledges. That's a fucked up mind to me. If you really are someone's brother, as these frat fools claim, you don't abuse them. Abuse is not a right of passage. Most of the men in these frats are borderline homosexual, hence the paddling other men's asses, and try to exhibit the most unhealthy aspects of masculinity, ie acting like idiots and being violent, to prove to others, and themselves, that they're straight.
I, for one, will not be defending these guys.
- 20th-October-2010 #8
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Ya I know these types of idiots, they are basically everyone who played on the football team in high-school. These guys have their ego built from day one as women shower them in praise and affection. Now women are upset when their creation has gone the way of Frankenstein. I know first hand that today's universities are little more than summer camp for rich kids hence the reason I choose to be educated through correspondence. I would honestly like to know where these students get the time to participate in frats and feminist groups. I spend nearly 8 hours a day, when I get the extra free time, writing essays... and my courses are EXPENSIVE. I would be seriously pissed off if I paid for my kid to attend school and heard they were spending their free time doing either of these things. Why universities do not require students to hold part time jobs is beyond me. No wonder 90% come out ill prepared to deal with the world around them.
There was a campus wide “Forum on Yale’s Sexual Climate” today, and the frat is undergoing counseling with campus women’s rights group.
“The men were happy to participate in the project in exchange for a keg of beer.”
This isn’t the first time something like this has happened at Yale. In 2008, 12 Zeta Psi pledges stood outside the campus Women’s Center holding signs that read “We Love Yale Sluts.”
And this prepares you for the workplace how?
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- 20th-October-2010 #9
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I hear you. I maybe go out one night a week every month. The rest of the time I'm writing papers or studying. I don't see how they're able to waste so much time on non-academic nonsense without failing out.
It prepares them by giving them the connections they'll need to get jobs without actually being prepared. Like I said, most frats exist so that rich kids can meet other rich kids and their families ensure they're all taken care of in the business world.And this prepares you for the workplace how?




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