Just how are things to change unless our voices and arguments are heard?

We write to TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and MPs. For what? To hear our own voices?

OF COURSE we want the Mainstream Media to take up our message. Currently it blocks it at the behest of the feminists.

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I don't believe that it's a good idea for the Men's movement to go mainstream (lame stream).
The course probably will get more men interested but it would surely make the movement that much easier to be infiltrated and dismantled. The whole thing smells too sweet and I don't trust it!

You can be with something but not of it. What I mean by that is getting the MRM message out into the main stream media means we will be visible in the machine, so we are with it; but we do not have to adopt the practices of the machine and thus are not a tool of it. We can remain objective, continue to back up our assertions with proof and legitimate studies as well as continue to oppose false ideas presented in the same media. We can reach more men with the message and thus attract more to the cause of anti-misandry.

The key to success in the mainstream media presence will be to remain resolute in the face of mainstream blandishments of money for comment, fudged statistics and careless reporting. It may mean we will be misrepresented by some journalists with their own misandrist axe to grind but as long as we track those who are genuine, and those who are not, we will be able to winnow out the journalists who are simply not worth our time.

the feminits went mainstream with their farrago of lies and demands for unearned benefits !

it profited them enormously and now the gibberings of that misandrist slob Dworkin and the hate filled Daly and the like are taught as gospel in the Western feminit universities ( madarassas ) as womyn' studies

( sounds awfully sexist and discriminatory to be , it does)

taught twaddle like the western civilisation is a history of the oppression of wimyn and that feminitism is the restituion of this imbalance etc

what have wimyn invented - the steam engine , the internet, the theory of relativity , supersonic aircraft, sanitary napkins knickers what ever haaa has been invented by men including the Pill which has rendered their already labile temperaments to a near amoral state of complete narcissism

wimyn are what they have always been a nation of spiteful ingrates sneers urgers and whistle bloweres basically a matrix for the next generation - bodies that is

nowadays hordes of them are turning queer and marrying each other hahaahha

but guess what ! all wimyn want is equality - and a wee bit more

The danger of pushing to get our message out in the "Mainstream Media," whatever the hell that means, is we run the risk of becoming astroturfed. We have already seen this with the Good Men Project. The more more attention we get in the mainstream the more they will step up and say "hey, we are the real men's rights guys." And people in the media will listen to them and their bullshit simply because they have had some success in establishing themselves in the eye of the media as being legitimate-which they are not. Of course this was their mission all along.

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The danger of pushing to get our message out in the "Mainstream Media," whatever the hell that means, is we run the risk of becoming astroturfed. We have already seen this with the Good Men Project. The more more attention we get in the mainstream the more they will step up and say "hey, we are the real men's rights guys." And people in the media will listen to them and their bullshit simply because they have had some success in establishing themselves in the eye of the media as being legitimate-which they are not. Of course this was their mission all along.

Sure, the MRM going mainstream may give us more exposure but it would also make us vulnerable to being hijacked by the "usual suspects". I'm referring to the suspects who hijacked feminism and turned it into the cancer that it is today.

None of that will matter in the long run. Economic collapse and the fall of feminist funding in western governments will come well before we have to worry about being hijacked.

A large, organized group makes it easier to target. Propagate the message in a viral format (word of mouth, etc.) and it can be just as effective while providing a more translucent and evasive target for the powers-that-be.

Since the MRM seems to be a rebellious bastard son of a feminist mother I don't think we need worry too much about "dilution" of the message by the mainstream media etc.. I reckon feminists and mra's agree with much more than they differ on.. Hardly surprising considering that they are so closely related.. The general public have a good idea of what is what, don't underestimate the intelligence of the silent masses! Those that vote with their feet vote the loudest..

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I don't believe that it's a good idea for the Men's movement to go mainstream (lame stream).
The course probably will get more men interested but it would surely make the movement that much easier to be infiltrated and dismantled. The whole thing smells too sweet and I don't trust it!

come into my parlour ...................

the MM/MRM needs to be off the radar screens

else it may simply be "assimilated" and life will go on.............

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Just how are things to change unless our voices and arguments are heard?

We write to TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and MPs. For what? To hear our own voices?

OF COURSE we want the Mainstream Media to take up our message. Currently it blocks it at the behest of the feminists.

The MSM will NEVER take up the message of the MM/MRM/MGTOW movements........

A quote springs to mind, can't remember where I read it or who said it originally, something along the lines of:


"when your beliefs become main stream it's time to change your beliefs"


Feminists could have taken this to heart , they did not, and look whats happened, any kind of equality that could be achieved has long since been achieved, legal equality, anti discrimination laws, equal pay laws have all been in force for a long time now everything from that point on has been anti equality, affirmative action, forced equality of outcome, more and more punitive arbitrary anti male legislation ........ and still feminists claim we need more feminism LOL.

I'd like to think that if the MRM achieved all its goals tomorrow that we'd throw a big party say thanks very much, pack up our keyboards and take up hang gliding, just leaving a small territorial force to keep an eye on the enemy.

That would be the dignified thing to do.

The problem with going mainstream is, folk will have to either act like dicks on purpose to get attention, or find some way of not looking like dicks when trying to be serious..

The MSM seems to look more at MRA's themselves than the MRM issues..

I think getting in the media is not that difficult, indeed, some journalists are MRA's in all but name as we speak..

FB: The MSM seems to look more at MRA's themselves than the MRM issues..

True.

The msm is heavily leftist feminist influenced, as such they have zero interest in a message that is contrary to their own, they'd rather attack the conveyor of the message than actually consider that the message may have some validity, It's much easier for them to cope that way.

Unfortunately many people fall into the trap that is set, in thinking that: if the messenger can be shown to have a few questionable habits then all his opinions are wrong.

To anyone willing to think only slightly deeper the stupidity of this becomes patently obvious.

EG: I'm a right bastard .......... Right being the operative word

I have noted that the "larger" mrm type groups seem to be very femistatist in orientation.. Seriously, they don't differ much from many feminists regarding the role of the state in my view.. All that pretending that men and women can be treated like .. women.. basically.. I find that the most worrying thing.. Mind you, they are "MRA" journalists who are definately more on side where it matters for men..

It seems like many Mra's are bitter and become Misogynistic, which while understandable at times is a dangerous and bad place to go. We don't want to become the feminist movement for men, but focus more on humanism and the Idea of equal responsibility, opportunity, and perception. It will be a battle, but mainstreaming is dangerous at this point. Too many Mras are playing the feminist game and need to be more creative. We need to show feminism for what it is but not by how they do it.

We are powerful small and we need to grow in a way that doesn't threaten the machine until it is too late. We aren't battling Women, but the ideology that many of them have been programmed to follow...

Also we need to not only play the numbers game but consider that everyone counts. Stats are an important tool but the game of "Our side is worse because it is larger" isn't enough. Until we collectively value the individual we cannot fight the machine without a horrible numbers tug of war. We need to keep information and ideas pure. Otherwise we will succumb to the constant paradoxes, juxtapositions, and contradictions feminism has.

Womens rights "equal opportunity" and feminism "advancement of women(at the expense of men)" were once 2 different things but over time they joined and became the machine they are now. We need to avoid that at all costs. We need to believe in men, and not be bitter towards women.


If we are to grow we need to do this right