Sounds like they have it made in a falling society.

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Sounds like they have it made in a falling society.

Perhaps they're just MGTOW.

Shows that there are alternatives for people that are not interested in marriage or asexual. The feminists will get mad as they know they can't use their claws to get manipulate the men into marrying them.

I find a good grouping of friends and family is really all you need to get by.

This seems like a very interesting group of guys. It's a shame I can't pick their brains...

Gotta LOVE IT ! Found this today, lol Here's what the mothers are doing, even one better ? ?

Better off on benefits: state blamed for UK’s lazy unemployment cycle

Nearly one in eight British households has no breadwinner. The new figures, from the Centre for Policy Studies, rank the UK top of the household jobless table, compared to other major EU countries . . . “One sixth of all children, for example, grew up in workless households, which is the highest figure in Europe by some measure.”.

This kills me! [video] The "state paying for granddaughter nursery care" while, for a lifetime career, now "a grandma" sits home doing absolutely nothing ? ? Now that's what i call "self-sustaining double dipping polygamy" - mother daughter both married & supported by same state bureaucratic husband.

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Shows that there are alternatives for people that are not interested in marriage or asexual. The feminists will get mad . . .

lol Just kids and politics thankyou! What a minute, according to classic biblical definition, that makes me a EUNUCH which is also highly UNFAIR 'cause feminine activists flat aren't eligible for the defining castration benefits !

certainly these savvy guys ain't gonna sign no peonage contract with a new age princess with her attorney waiting for her call from the wings to legally dissect her ponce soon after her clewless ennui choice flakes

If I wasn't such a private person in my home life, I'd certainly do something like this. I'm not asexual, but I really am not the type to settle down and have kids...though I *do* get badgered about it monthly by people who say I'm being "untraditional" and "selfish" by not marrying and having a brood. (To be honest, the idea of being pregnant skeeves me out a little!)

I see no reason why 2 or more guys shouldn't be happy in this lifestyle. There's probably very little competition and tension/drama without women in their lives (or just there for sexual needs), and I can imagine it is a nice, equal arrangement for each man in regards to cleaning/groceries/rent. I say congrats to them for finding a lifestyle that works for them and sticking with it. So much for the Fem idea that men are violent in groups lol.

It used to be generations ago, at least in rural America where I have some direct connection and background, that a man would grow up, leave the family farm, join the service or follow the big-construction circuit, live like a caged animal at the hands of bosses and sergeants major for a few years while stashing the income and making their walking-around money at the poker table, bought a piece of land or a gas station or a bar, got a business and a portfolio large or small fully established, established credible and influential ties with the community, had friends and associates and side deals galore, traveled, hunted, fished, prospected, stopped by Mrs So-and-so's now and again to visit with the ladies, lived as he chose into his thirties or even forties, and then would marry a woman between seventeen and twenty-five and have eight children with her.

Just sayin.

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I see no reason why 2 or more guys shouldn't be happy in this lifestyle. There's probably very little competition and tension/drama without women in their lives (or just there for sexual needs),

Article did say 2 of them had steady gf's.

"Witholding the seed" could be seen as a form of self-preservation and political protest.
But the man that does it condemns his own DNA. What's more it doesn't even drive up the price, since there a millions of opportunist men waiting to fill the gap.
A 'Conferedacy of Bachelors' has no political, social or moral leverage. But they're still obliged to pay taxes. Exactly what the feminists want. Hordes of single celibate men support the state-sponsored Queen like worker ants. Is that what the men want? Stupid or what?

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"Witholding the seed" could be seen as a form of self-preservation and political protest.
But the man that does it condemns his own DNA. What's more it doesn't even drive up the price, since there a millions of opportunist men waiting to fill the gap.
A 'Conferedacy of Bachelors' has no political, social or moral leverage. But they're still obliged to pay taxes. Exactly what the feminists want. Hordes of single celibate men support the state-sponsored Queen like worker ants. Is that what the men want? Stupid or what?

Tough day, Yan?

Way I read it, four guys came to a cool arrangement, gave their clubhouse a name, and somebody wrote about it.

Is there a manifesto in there somewhere that I missed?

Added after 23 minutes:

Here is a prize example of how feminist propaganda works.

An absolute piece of content-free fluff, written by a woman, begins with a requisite "New Journalism" paragraph designed to draw the reader in but say nothing at all, followed by some brief data about the topic (due to arrive any day now, reader), then some generalizations about what she thinks is significant to get her thesis on-message, then several paragraphs both expanding and reducing the men to a "sociological" phenomenon, replete with expert summations and study references and academicians holding forth, then goes back and tries to tell a story again, using terms like "man cave" and "Peter Pan" (the while, these four cutups were having a laugh a minute at this well-dressed, urbane girl following them around), then retreats altogether to the final irritating chore of trying to express something interesting (securing it correctly, finally, into the human interest genre) about the men themselves (long after the average reader has moved on to the next diorama).

In the end the men themselves just say they like it and it works.

And then we go on and redline it with all the political interpretations of the men's lifestyle rather than the writer's content, right on cue.

And all the real work she had to do was write the manifesto herself and call it the title of the piece. Four words. I'd call this girl an expert fisherwoman. Who here thinks this is catch and release?

That's why they ran it.

(Two interesting mysteries: was she, or one or more of her pals among the girlfriends mentioned? and, the blue-ribbon elephant in the room, how in the world do they get past all the homophobic bullshit everywhere? Can't think of anywhere (US) outside Manhattan, and with that kind of resources, where four men could do this.)

Added after 17 minutes:

All propaganda has both a pot life and a shelf life.



In the short run:

With a NY Times banner and a female byline plus certifiable experts quoted, this carries a lot of weight. This qualifies as current events media for sociology, women's studies, even journalism (if you can believe that) curricula to be used as source material in both teaching and student presentations anywhere in the world. Schoolchildren could use this as a source for media reports on any number of topics. And the message spreads, always with the opening declaration in the headline named as the source, a thing said by the Times itself and by none of the interviewees.


In the long run:


Again, the title is the tag. In a bibliography or named as a source, this maintains it own legitimacy by simply being what it is: a thing the New York Times thought was "fit to print". And the message survives, its premises unquestioned.


How much "activism" went into producing and inserting that quantity into the propaganda stream, versus how integral a structural component it may be for as long as there is an internet and a NY Times, in any number of ways of reducing men to a women's studies topic?

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"Witholding the seed" could be seen as a form of self-preservation and political protest.
But the man that does it condemns his own DNA. What's more it doesn't even drive up the price, since there a millions of opportunist men waiting to fill the gap.

The man's DNA was condemn the very day he was born (thanks to feminism) and it would be astronomically stupid of him to produce kids in a progressive society (communist police state). The so called hordes of celibate men would be starving a faltering machine that pushes population control and at the same time, wants young men to "Shut up and produce" more tax paying slaves. This feminist shit storm doesn't deserve Men's DNA nor does it deserve anymore tax paying slaves via fresh young men, sperm donors and manginas on auto pilot!

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Tough day, Yan?
Way I read it, four guys came to a cool arrangement, gave their clubhouse a name, and somebody wrote about it.
Is there a manifesto in there somewhere that I missed?

Well no, it was a good day. My bank transaction went smoothly after complaining to my my UK bank (via costly phone-call) about denying my card for "security reasons". They apoologized. My people can now eat. Am I a slave to them? Perhaps. But at least I get what I pay for.
It comes down to 'respect'. Life is never perfect but when women teach their children to respect Dad; because without him they'd be up shit creek without a paddle; things fall into place. My kids bow when I enter the house. I didn't teach them that, their mothers did.
They all bring problems with their school homework to me because their mothers told them to. I can question the household budgets because I'm the one who pays. If I don't pay there's no electricity and no water.
Then again, there's the private school fees. Is that love of one's own children and a desire to secure their future, or is it ransom to the wife?
I make a cheque to the school and the mother feels secure with no extra money for herself.

So is it all about money? When I was sick and couldn't earn much, and the UK pound went south, the reins were pulled in. But there was no discernible change in behaviour. Did the wimmin instantly look fior a BBD - Bigger Better Deal? No.
Just because I criticise the nihilism of western bachelorhood, that doesn't mean I'm stupid.
I have grateful women and children. Western men have either divorce problems or video-games.
So, if I dare to make a small comment about western bachelorhood (aka sucide bombing), then I must have had a tough day?
Please enlighten me.

So many men here moan and whine about their lives because thet never took the trouble to venture outside of "Femidom".
Bachelorhood/celibacy is a hiding to nothing. It means, "i've surrendered". There's nothing noble or admirable in that.

Tough day? Hell no! Best day of my life for countering moaners, whiners and those who believe in self-castratation. What cause are these people working for? Wankers for Justice?

Okay, okay.

I like everything you tell me about how you live, and the values of your home and family. Admire you for it, even. You have what I would call, in the terms of this discussion, a working model.

For all your critiques of us, western men lack those models, those templates if you will, and we have to sink or swim, or languish in the backwater as is the case with me, in currents of hostility surrounding us, that take as ordinary convention the idea that any of us doing what we choose alone in life, or being actual heads of household either one, is antisocial and more than a little ridiculous.

This Times piece is a perfect example of that. Four men work out a way to live together, and it is presented as part phenomenon (reduced) and part comedy (ridiculed).

Where I'm going with this online activism, or "keyboarding" as some brothers would term it, is to raise the level of dialogue beyond mere statement and restatement of the grievances, and expressions of outrage over the idea that we are opposed, and start working on those models, those templates.

And yours has a lot of material to offer. This Manhattan yuppie bachelor clown act, and more power to them (as non-relevant as it is to any man's life I know of) doesn't, I agree with you about that. That's all the discussion for our purposes thise piece really merits on its actual story.

What I want to be discussing is why and how these constant messages of feminist reductionism about male reality, work so well and are so utterly mainstream in the media we are so laughed down by, so that we can learn how to put our own voice in there and our own models expressed convincingly and humanely for that same audience.

And I agree, the whining doesn't get us there.

Two words: MEDIA WATCHDOG.

I'm gonna keep saying them until it gets on the agenda, and we start cultivating it as an actual skill here.

A resource for basic understanding of propaganda:


Propaganda Techniques - US Army