what needs to be done to win?

[FFFF]

Posted by a man with a mega-sword for an avatar.

The topic of this thread is what it takes to win, yet we are prohibited from talking about it.

Thus is the status quo preserved.

Blessings

Bob

indeed. Thats why the internet based movement will achieve nothing.

[FFFF]

It is about winning, its about winning our freedom, our security, our families our peace of mind.. For us all, every one of us, men, women, children.. Farmyard animals...

Its a battle against the state, and its a battle we can fight with the tools the state gives us and lets us use?

No way!!

They have those tools all programmed to fail..

The internet, is watched constantly..

What do we do?

Do we advocate "violence"?

Of course not, because then we will be a bad as they are!!

(But, it DOES work in many cases, look at the way "terrorists" become relabelled "freedom fighters" after they succeed!!)..

The way is, make their tools ineffective..

Starve the state!!

Wreck the fabric of society!!

Run free, be proud, and tear down the emblems of the state and the court houses.

Vandalise and deface them!!

Mock and humiliate them!!

Bring down the walls that hold up these parasite breeding places!!

Let the roof, nay, the very sky, collapse in on those maggot dens!!

(Need not involve any harm to any living being.. (apart from perhaps a few cockroaches, but, the lawyers could always be tipped off first??)

Of course, there may be casualties, but, well, there are so many already and thats fighting the states wars and living the way that the state forces many into..

Every man and woman driving to crime and jail by the state is a casualty.

And thats on top of the ones we often proclaim..

[bachelor tom]

it is not about winning

it is about re-educating

"consciousness-raising"?

[George Rolph]

I have not read through all of the posts on this subject because its now 03:42 and I need to get to bed after I post something. (BTW Marx. If you have posted what I sent already please forgive me if I post again. Just remove it. Thanks for your help with my posts, I appreciate it and you.)
Anyway, back to the posts. Like I said I have not read them all I just grabbed a flavour so if I get this wrong, please forgive me.

Someone asked the question, "win what?" in other words, what are our objectives in our fight. I think I have been guilty of assuming those objectives were clear to everyone in our fight. That seems to have been a false assumption. Again, forgive me. I see our objectives as follows.

1. To educate the public about the injustices men face, where ever and how ever those injustices occur. This is our principle fight it seems to me.

2. To develop stategies to combat those injustices in effective ways. Such as, telling politicians what we want instead of doffing our caps to them and begging them for their help.

3. To stand up for our nations children in a family oriented way.

4. To inflence policy makers and the media without being afraid to be critical of them.

5. To gather support from the public we educate in terms of organisational help, monetary help, and a willingness to particisipate in public demonstrations and actions.

6. To engage in counter propaganda to the feminist world view and to challenge their foundational principles. That is, those assertions upon which they have built their edifice.

7. To meet together in the real world and plan our offensive in both private and public meeting.

8. To be smarter than the opposition.

9. To engage children and teens with our work and to spend time undoing their indoctrination fed to them in schools. I.e. "You don't need a dad to be happy."

10. To name and shame all of those who resist the truth and spread the lies. Irrispective of their current standing in our community.

11. To promote a positive male image instead of the stereotypical image of sex, boobs, beer, violence and sports.

12. To free men from those things which bind them, such as false chivalry.

13. To creat a sense of brotherhood among men all over society by encouraging them to share ideas and opinions instead of just fighting against ideas and opinions that are not their own.

14. Putting forwards positive ideas about dealing with troubled youth and working with single mothers.

15. To counter the man hatred that is rife in our society among women.

Those are my aims anyway and I know they are shared by MRA's all over the world. I hope that helps and if there are more and better aims I would love to hear them.

Some advice to take or leave or discuss:

Avoid the use of terms such as feminazi which, though they do encapsulate the position of feminists historically, they also turn off the uneducated. Not everyone likes feminism. In fact, 70% of women in this country DO NOT support feminism (That is why the BBC are doing their best to pump it at women in so many of their TV and radio shows that are listened too by women). However, despite that fact, these people who do not support feminism are anxious from gut instinct more than knowledge. They feel that it is wrong but generally speaking cannot articulate those feelings well. However, terms such as feminazi put them off listening to us because the term sounds extreme to them because they do not have the knowledge of those who use the term.

We must not be afraid to challenge and confront extremist feminists and their supporters and those extremists among us.

Neither should we shy away from a redefinition of the heroic modern man. I feel this is vital because men need to feel of use and unless we can show that men ARE a value to society as a whole and women and kids in particular then we are on rocky ground. However, this is something ONLY men can do for other men. A female model and female input would not be helpful here. We all know what women like, women want, women need and so on. We cannot escape those messages. We need to be able to say what men like, want and need too, but in the context of who we are as people. Most importantly we need to talk about what men DO! To this end we need to educate ourselves about the roles still played by men in this world that are tough, dangerous and downright heroic. For example; I wrote once that while everybody else was running away from the burning towers on 9/11 brave men were running into them. That one sentence had a huge impact right across the media and political world. I know because I have contacts in both camps. Once we know who we are we can better fight to maintain and spread the message. Keep in mind, we now have a second generation of Kids brought up by single mothers who do not know what men are except that shit spouted by their often bitter single mums!

Sorry for spelling errors but I am now so tired I can barely function at all.

[chopchip]

wait for divine intervention

[BobV01]

I posted before, public awareness and a sense of where our rights and place in societies have fallen from, read European History 1600 - 1700.
George so rightly wrote about public perception and never ending counter-propaganda.
Men are indispensable to societies, Fathers are critical to their children's development, men form part fo a marital union, families are critical to a vibrant society: we have accrued and acquired the research to prove all of this from a scientific point of view. We do need to realise that a group of econmic advantage minded females successfully put forth public policy and public perception efforts to seek a matriarchy to replace a perceived patriarchy.
See a misandric advertisement or point of view report it here along with an actionable email or postal address or phone number, stand shoulder to shoulder, write endless emails, or letters or make phone calls, when a public figure acts in a misandric w ay vote them out when a commercial enterprise acts in a misandric way boycot them.
Seek amoungst our fellow Brothers some generally agreed to definitions for Fatherhood, Good Men, Men's Rights, Honor patience and oh my goodness civility.
The studies parked here at AM are readily available, we should all know RADAR's URL as well as the URL for West Michigan DAD's Studies, as well as the body of work held by our Australian Brothers. Copy the studies and send it to someone new. Answer Yahoo questions and cite AM or RADAR or WMD get the information out there.
Act in an honorable way and treat our Brothers as our Brotehrs, getting laid is all fine and well if you are screwing a Brother's GF or Wife you are hurting a Brother, MRM and ultimately yourself. If some "gent" is boasting proudly of his "manly"ways or rather boasting about being a pig ask him to pipe down, lay off or just be quiet. The Honor of Men rests with each and everyone of us, perhaps it is our British Cousins who must re-establish practices and traditions once in place in their Empire for each of us to emulate or perhaps it is up to us a collective Brotherhood to do it toggether.

[Garak]

I was reading a post above about bringing down the government buildings and I thought to myself: "That would be fine as long as we harm no one". Then the poster said that too.

Then it occurred to me. We have been programmed to have a distaste for violence. Could it be that which holds us back?

Honestly, when the government wants to accomplish something, it uses violence. Think of the military and the police.

We, on the other hand, have been programmed to never use violence. Just some food for thought.

[chopchip]

men need to unite under one banner and establish new institutions where justice IS upheld. i dont think it is possible to reform existing ones. we have to establish new courts since the ones we have are failing, this government is failing we have to create a new one and if that leads to war so be it. so long as some fight for justice in a decent and sober manner they will win

[dievas]

It's simple:

Kill the batman.