I am Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist

[PWCM]

How many communists are in the world? How many communists are active? How many communists have websites? How many communists are members of websites?

[aoirthoir]

How many communists are in the world? How many communists are active? How many communists have websites? How many communists are members of websites?

True. But again I never claimed there were 100 thousand Masculinsits and I most certainly never claimed to be their leader. This was a fabrication which, like any internet meme, has caught a life of its own, and no one will go back and read what I actually wrote. Instead they will each keep feeding their own false claims.

But this is good because Men should not be following me, they should be following themselves.

[Andy Man]

could I suggest a separate area for them on this forum, such as "Masculinist flipside"

Not sure if that's a joke, or you are expecting them to remain voluntarily in their "containment area".

[PWCM]

A man with 100,000 activists to consider would not be spending every spare moment he has responding to insignificant posters on forums

So you get to define the man based on your view of what the said man should be doing? To state that 'posters' are insignificant shows basically you hold no value in your brothers and fellow posters. We on the other hand hold all men in high value.

[aoirthoir]

Not sure if that's a joke, or you are expecting them to remain voluntarily in their "containment area".

If a website owner asks us to post in one place only, we honor it. If they ask us not to post, we honor it. We only came here invited. Had we not been invited we would not have come. We post the majority of our time in our own spaces.

For instance John The Other banned me from AVfM and said "Do not call us and we won't call you." Now I could have joined into the radio show, listened and even called in, but he said plainly he did not want me to, so I honored his request.

What you Men need to do is start reading what I am actually writing and stop reading INTO what I am writing, things I am not saying. Perhaps you would not honor a request for a "containment area", but we would.

Perhaps another thing you could do is stop looking at other Men as less than Men. I value you Men and your contributions to this great work we have ahead of us. Each and every one of you is the most important Man in this fight to end misAndry. Value yourselves and your Brothers.

My saying these things is said to be anti-male.

[Andy Man]

For instance John The Other banned me from AVfM and said "Do not call us and we won't call you."

Well done that man!

[aoirthoir]

Well done that man!

I agree. Any man has a right to ban me from his own site. Any man that requests me not post on his site, I will oblige.

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For those that are objecting that I and others are speaking about Masculinism, I will state that my post was not about Masculinism, it was about Misandry. I was not the one that brought up Masculinism, another did. If you Men do not want us Masculinists speaking about Masculinism, why not stop bringing Masculinism up?

[felixblue]

So you get to define the man based on your view of what the said man should be doing? To state that 'posters' are insignificant shows basically you hold no value in your brothers and fellow posters. We on the other hand hold all men in high value.

You leap to negative conclusions too quickly sir. As individuals we are all of little significance. The paradox of what mr Arthur says is not lost on me for one.. He claims to be nothing in himself, yet also claims to be a true meglomaniac.. To claim that one is at the same time the most important, and yet also happen to declare himself a nobody.. Well. It makes one think dozen tit?

Only when we gain the respect of others can each of us feel part of something greater. Do not make the mistake of thinking only "your group" hold men in high value or that you differ greatly from other individuals. I will say however, that rarely have I ever seen a group come about.. Indeed this group may well be the first I have ever seen, that does not make "bogey men" of any particular "scapegoats" they hold up as if to make some sort of peace offerring to the enemy..

The usual male scapegoats I have seen are the so called "feckless dads", the "deadbeats" etc..

This open ended lunacy could well be just what the MRM needs.. It is apparent that "masculinists" are not easy to define, and do not define themselves, therefore, cannot be counted..

I have to say..

I used to follow with some interest the writings of a once well famed MRA who went by the name of "masculist man"..

He and a few other "hardcore" MRA's used to frequent their own little forums and indeed I did once participate with some glee and indulgence..

But it became apparent that they became "victims of their own success" in getting attention drawn to themselves..

Last I heard, they were pretty much bashed down and silenced by the feminists etc..

Maybe this "brand" of MRAism is back for another stab at the beast?

Good luck chaps..

[aoirthoir]

Masculists and Masculinists are two different groups.

[felixblue]

Well done that man!

This is why I don't even look much at AVFM.. The belief that MRA's must all conform to some standard way of thinking and writing is pretty ridiculous..

There is not one "voice for men" there are several billion voices from each and every man.. Who can claim to speak for them all?

One thing I have learned over my years in this cause, and you aught to too Andy, is that there are a lot of fucked up folk, apparent nutjobs and generally odd folk partaking in it..

But does that mean that of the vast amounts of crap that they spout, there is not occasional a diamond or two in that dogshit?

Its those diamonds that matter..

Now, who has the time to seek them?

Or is it better that we wait for them to appear?

[aoirthoir]

We Masculinists seek them.

[felixblue]

Masculists and Masculinists are two different groups.

I really would not know. Yet speaking at times as if you encompass all men and all MRA styles, then at others pointing to the differences as if they are of some crucial significance, adds to the confusion. Which may be your intent, but as ever, the proof of how much success any approach has will for me be tested in the effect in the battle against misandry.

I wait eagerly for the state to take note and do what is needed to make life better for men.. Which will surely only be when whatever men do, means the state must react to please them..

[PWCM]

You leap to negative conclusions too quickly sir. As individuals we are all of little significance. The paradox of what mr Arthur says is not lost on me for one.. He claims to be nothing in himself, yet also claims to be a true meglomaniac.. To claim that one is at the same time the most important, and yet also happen to declare himself a nobody.. Well. It makes one think dozen tit?

Only when we gain the respect of others can each of us feel part of something greater. Do not make the mistake of thinking only "your group" hold men in high value or that you differ greatly from other individuals. I will say however, that rarely have I ever seen a group come about.. Indeed this group may well be the first I have ever seen, that does not make "bogey men" of any particular "scapegoats" they hold up as if to make some sort of peace offerring to the enemy..

The usual male scapegoats I have seen are the so called "feckless dads", the "deadbeats" etc..

This open ended lunacy could well be just what the MRM needs.. It is apparent that "masculinists" are not easy to define, and do not define themselves, therefore, cannot be counted..

I have to say..

I used to follow with some interest the writings of a once well famed MRA who went by the name of "masculist man"..

He and a few other "hardcore" MRA's used to frequent their own little forums and indeed I did once participate with some glee and indulgence..

But it became apparent that they became "victims of their own success" in getting attention drawn to themselves..

Last I heard, they were pretty much bashed down and silenced by the feminists etc..

Maybe this "brand" of MRAism is back for another stab at the beast?

Good luck chaps..

There is nothing negative in my claim. Individuals can and will change the world, it always starts with individuals. When a man seeks the respect of others he must learn to respect himself first. How can one give respect without first having the knowledge of what respect is. Everything starts within yourself, to love another you must love yourself, to respect another you must respect yourself, attacking misandry you must first attack the misandry within yourself.

[aoirthoir]

I really would not know. Yet speaking at times as if you encompass all men and all MRA styles, then at others pointing to the differences as if they are of some crucial significance, adds to the confusion. Which may be your intent, but as ever, the proof of how much success any approach has will for me be tested in the effect in the battle against misandry.

I wait eagerly for the state to take note and do what is needed to make life better for men.. Which will surely only be when whatever men do, means the state must react to please them..

I do not say that my way is better. I say that only my way is for me. Others want me to follow their way, while telling me they support my having rights. What good are rights to only be as they say I should be? And it would be no good if they could only be free to be as I say they should be. Let each be as he chooses.

[felixblue]

I remember a bloke saying to me once.. "You seem to be saying, 'Its good to be a man'.. Good man!"..

We are all here to help each other eh?

I intend to help the few individual MRA's I meet here and there. This is my priority for now. After my gardening and DIY..