I am Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist

[Douglas]

There are millions of Christians worldwide, but do they all frequent the same church? There are millions of MRA's do they all come to AM?

Even my local parish church, which only has a service once a fortnight, has a more active website than the one that purports to be the website for masulinists.

Aoithoir is a somebody, for starters he is a MAN, and in my book that makes him somebody. Unless you choose to believe that unless someone fits into your path of thinking they become nobodies.

More nonsense being spouted, defending something that was never even implied let alone stated.

[Marx]

More nonsense being spouted, defending something that was never even implied let alone stated.

It was stated that AAB was a nobody...

Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist is a nobody.

[Douglas]

I'm of the opinion you've lost any room to talk down to others you disagree with when you rely so heavily on name-calling.

I don't see how giving an opinion that someone is dangerous and pathetic is "name calling." Those are opinions of a member which he (not alone) holds and which are an indication of his likely impact on antimisandry and perhaps society as a whole. These descriptives were preceded by text which explains why he holds these opinions.

I have read that aoirthoir claims to know you personally, Marx, and maybe he has some positive value that you are aware of. However, please understand that us readers of this forum only know him and the movement he leads/follows by what he writes here and what little we can research independently: it is not impressive, to put it mildly.

It was stated that AAB was a nobody...

Accepted. I missed that.

[Andy Man]

It was stated that AAB was a nobody...

Yes. By me. I meant it in terms of having a "powerful movement" with 100s of thousands of members--a ridiculus lie. If he had that many activists, his online presence would be massive. However, a google rank of 2 is nothing, just that of a newly registered site with no inbound links.

I'm willing to stand up against femenism because I believe I can see where it's heading, so in this case, I'm not likely follow something else that's heading to the same kind of place.

A critique of Solzhenitsyn's book is here. I haven't read it yet, but it's on my shelf waiting to be read. Certainly, I was aware of it.

Gulag Archipelago - YouTube

For anyone willing to follow the "self-professed leader", send me a post card also.

[Marx]

I don't see how giving an opinion that someone is dangerous and pathetic is "name calling."

Along with the other terms, such as calling him a 'nobody'.

Those are opinions of a member which he (not alone) holds and which are an indication of his likely impact on antimisandry and perhaps society as a whole. These descriptives were preceded by text which explains why he holds these opinions.

I get that Andy explained his thoughts and that's fine... but my point was that of late, Andy seems to only be on AM to knock AM members with whom he disagrees. This is has been accompanied by cursing & uncivilized phrases. So I'm of the opinion, also not alone, that if someone goes around calling others names and demonstrating their lack of will to engage meaningfully with those they disagree with, they don't have the room to complain. For example, I was called immature & emotional (along with various choices of colour language) for speaking my mind about how some posters behaved. Yet, I can happily disagree without the need to go ranting like that and calling people names. We can all justify ourselves - but we can all compose ourselves too.

I have read that aoirthoir claims to know you personally, Marx, and maybe he has some positive value that you are aware of. However, please understand that us readers of this forum only know him and the movement he leads/follows by what he writes here and what little we can research independently: it is not impressive, to put it mildly.

We do not know one another personally. We know one another through some skype discussions and facebook exchanges. We have argued with one another - but he manages to speak with me, not at me. And likewise, I afford him the same courtesy. What's the harm in civility?

I see what AABM is trying to do, he's explained this in other areas previously (which I no doubt you haven't been privy to, so it's understandable you don't see what he's trying to do). I was hoping this would go a lot smoother than it has...

ps - this isn't intended as any kind of attack at Andy, I'm just saying how I see things of late.

[aoirthoir]

Jeez - I'm certainly glad I've been spending less time on this board recently.

I shall be spending more time here now that you have returned.

Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist is a nobody.

Correct. I have said this over and over and over again since my first post until now. You Men are the somebodies.

He claims that his "movement" has 100s of thousands activists

Incorrect entirely. I have no movement, I am *part* of a movement.


Secondly I did not say it has 100s of thousands of activists. I said specifically that the activists in India went from 60 in 2007, to 30 thousand last year and they are *approaching* 100 thousand. They are doing their work and I had nothing to do with it whatsoever. They certainly didn't grow because of little nobody me, especially since they did not meet me until last year.

and meet all over the world,

Masculinsits are all over the world and are meeting all over the world. You realize of course I am not the creator of Masculinism, and in this movement I am indeed a nobody. There are many that have come before me. I am learning from them, not the other way around.

yet take a look at his website page ranking...That's right -- 2! Even antimisandry.com has twice that.

Yes the site ranking is quite low. The answer for that of course is in your next post:

The domain "masculinists.net" was only registered late last year (08-sep-2011).

And with a little examination you would find that it did not go live until January 1, 2012.

Aoirthoir An Broc (Masculinist.net) is a megalomaniac.

I am such a megalomaniac I keep insisting I am nothing and you men are all, each and every one of you, on this planet, greater than me.

I can understand why so many men would be desperate to clutch at anything which appears to have something to offer, and that alone makes him dangerous. Otherwise, he is pathetic.

One must wonder at the scaricty of offerings by MRAs, that someone such as myself who is:


1. a nobody...
2. a megalomaniac....
3. dangerous...
4. pathetic...
5. a manager of a hardly visited website...


is still believed to be appealing enough to Men that they through caution to the wind and give ear to his words. Either he must have an incredibly powerful personality (which hardly seems possible considering he is a nobody, pathetic, a megalomaniac, who no one even knows about or vists), or maybe, just maybe he's not the one Men are following at all and maybe, it is exactly as he has said from the start of HIS JOINING an ALREADY EXISTING movement, that he is just a follower.

In fact, I'm wondering if he is a "feminist plant" designed to descredit us all. LOL

You're not wondering at all. You're making it up.

when you rely so heavily on name-calling.

I did not see him name calling. I saw hero worship. I choose to be offended or I choose not to be offended. So I choose not to be offended and instead to be worshipped. It is part of my Megalomaniacal nature.

Harsh..


But I can see for sure the site doesnt look like it has a great following of folks.. Few comments, not a great deal of facebook likes..

Not harsh at all. The site for The International Association of Masculists and Masculinists is a very small site. It is a new site for a newly formed, unregistered Association. It was formed by three of the least Men in the Masculinists Movement, who are new onto the scene, and wanted to do something right away. So we set up an unregistered association and a website and have begun offering our services to Masculinists, Masculists, MRAs, FRAs and others in the Pro-Male Men's Movement. Since we just started that this year, a few months ago, of course it is small.

Nothing remotely compatible with 100,000 activists..

One Man became offended when I repeated what I said in earlier posts, and yet this is an example of why I repeat. I made not a single statement claiming that Masculinists.net had 100k activists. So I will repeat what I said again for those that continue to misrepresent what I have said:


In India the Masculinists/MRAs (they use the terms interchangeably there) were SIXTY in number in 2007. By 2011 they had grown to over 30 thousand, are regularly debating feminists on their televised media, have thousands of news articles about Mens Rights a year, have entered the mainstream consciousness, and as a result of their actions have decided elections. I then stated they are *approaching* 100 thousand as of 2012.


No where did I make a single claim that Masculinists.net had anything whatsoever to do with any of this. Had you men been paying attention instead of fabricating, you would have seen that I stated that we in the west are learning from them in the east. The problem here is, if a western man does not see it on his television, he cannot imagine it is happening. What you Men need to know is that there is an entire world of Men's Rights Activities going on outside of your view. I'm aware of it, learning from it. But in no way whatsoever have I created it, made it happen.


I am, as I keep saying, nothing. You men are everything.

Hi Aoirthoir, I've joined this forum as well.

Glad to have you Brother.

Aoithoir is a somebody, for starters he is a MAN, and in my book that makes him somebody. Unless you choose to believe that unless someone fits into your path of thinking they become nobodies.

It is common among Men to view a Man who is different as enemy. You will note that from the start of my first post I have said I am nothing, I am in fact a nobody, and You Men are the somebodies, the Glory, the Amazing. Yet they will insist that I have said they are nothing and I am everything. Men read what they want to read and make up what they want to make up. I choose to love them for making up things about me.

Just beware the self-professed leader praising dissent as he builds the party line.

I profess that all Men are leaders. Naturally that means I profess that I am a leader. Our Party Line is that Misandry must end.


In our lifetime.


And that you Men will end it.

Even my local parish church, which only has a service once a fortnight, has a more active website than the one that purports to be the website for masulinists.

We did not make this claim. You are making things up yet again. So far, just about all of your responses, if not all of them, have included outright fabrications. I am curious why you fabricate things against us when we tell you plainly, we do not seek you as a convert.

I don't see how giving an opinion that someone is dangerous and pathetic is "name calling."

I agree with you, it is not name calling. Dangerous and pathetic are adjectives, not names. So they cannot be name calling. I choose to see these adjectives as praise.

Those are opinions of a member which he (not alone) holds and which are an indication of his likely impact on antimisandry and perhaps society as a whole. These descriptives were preceded by text which explains why he holds these opinions.

I agree. It is an indication of my impact on anti-misandry and society as a whole. It is dangerous for a man to make Pro-Male statements in a space opposed to hatred of males and it is dangerous to society as well.

I have read that aoirthoir claims to know you personally, Marx, and maybe he has some positive value that you are aware of. However, please understand that us readers of this forum only know him and the movement he leads/follows by what he writes here and what little we can research independently: it is not impressive, to put it mildly.

Why must be be impressive? No Man should be impressed with me, and instead should be impressed with himself. It seems that many of you are offended that I do not consider myself impressive. Should I become impressive?

meant it in terms of having a "powerful movement" with 100s of thousands of members--a ridiculus lie.

I never claimed I have a powerful movement. I claimed Masculinism is a powerful movement. I also never claimed it has 100s of thousands of members and I most certainly never made this claim about websites I run.

We do not know one another personally. We know one another through some skype discussions and facebook exchanges.

I do not recall having claimed that we know each other personally. I did state I believe "We are known to Marx".


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Marx, this could certainly have gone smoothly. So far, every objection to us is based entirely on a fabrication. Yet for the fabrications of others, about me, it is said "Aoirthoir is controversial."


And yet still, these are My Brothers and I love them. It is not bad that things are not smooth, it is good. Let them object to me and never ever follow me. What is the point of Men's Rights if we all only have to be alike? Isn't the point of Men's Rights that they get to NOT like Aoirthoirs?

[Douglas]

I was hoping this would go a lot smoother than it has...

If "this" is a major influx of, or takeover by, masculanists and this thread is representative of what masculanists are, then I shall be looking to move to a forum that discusses issues sensibly with people willing to debate matters and desiring to explain what they mean to those who are interested.

I fear that antimisandry may be taken over by people who believe that the way forward is to answer questions on their beliefs with:

Whether others believe these Truths or not is irrelevant to us. We believe them and seek no converts. You are or are not a Masculinist it is that simple.

I fear that antimisandry may be taken over by people who believe it can be beneficial to men to make opening introductory statements like:

I and I alone, am the single most important person in the Pro-Male Men's Movement.

Which is incredibly egotistical and of no value, use or truth without support. Then later the same poster admits:

My statement can be spoken by any Man or Woman or Neuter or Intersexed or any person of any variety. It can be spoken in their own voice.

Which at least removes the egotistical aspect, only to leave one with a completely meaningless nonsense since grammar dictates that there can only be ONE who is the "most" of anything and being the most important in the removal of antimisandry is not what counts: it is doing something that is important and if every man does just a little to end misandry, we will see an end to it far quicker than any number who are concerned with doing more than anyone else but who are unable or unwilling to explain just what it is they stand for.

I am not sorry that I am unwilling to explain. I am quite comfortable.

Masculanism appears to be a matter of having faith in unsupportable statements made to make people feel better about themselves. While I accept religious beliefs, I take issue with anyone who communicates their beliefs to others with the obvious intent (regardless of the actual verbiage) to gather supporters and yet does not have their beliefs supported by reason. After 8 pages of attempts to engage in debate and extract meaning, I am left feeling my earlier statement on this thread is even more important:

While I am willing to accept allies in the fight against organised misandry, I hope that unreasoned belief does not become the backbone of any mass movement: we already have that in feminism.

I hope the evident nonsense in this site's definition of masculinist is enough to keep people away from them.

[Marx]

There are definitely some interesting points being raised here.

This site has it's own agenda...

However, while I acknowledge that several Masculinists have signed up in a short period, I see them keeping within the confines of one thread.

If a group of feminists signed up to show support to one another in one thread, I wouldn't be too different (aside I'd probably be laughing a lot at them a lot more).

We should be trying for unity here, not division.

[Andy Man]

Secondly I did not say it has 100s of thousands of activists. I said specifically that the activists in India went from 60 in 2007, to 30 thousand last year and they are *approaching* 100 thousand. They are doing their work and I had nothing to do with it whatsoever. They certainly didn't grow because of little nobody me, especially since they did not meet me until last year.

Bullshit!

I've just been thru every page of this thread, and your original quote has been removed. What you are doing is calling all men's activists "masculinists" in order to justify the use of "we". Here's an example:

In India we are regularly broadcast on the national televised media debating feminists to expose some corrupt law.

Just who do you mean by we here? Do you mean the those guys in India fighting a situation far worse than in the west, but who have probably never heard of you? You are effectively trying to take credit for what others are doing.


Well, Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist -- FUCK YOU and your posioness brand of Masculinism or whatever the hell you call it.


PS. Marx has accused me of "cursing" and using "uncivilised" phrases. Anyone who has read my posts knows that I hardly ever swear, but you can add the above to the list. And it hasn't been lost on me that the AM logo at the top of the web page now shares the same font as that used on Masculinist.net. Is that a coincidence?

[Douglas]

There are definitely some interesting points being raised here.

This site has it's own agenda...

However, while I acknowledge that several Masculinists have signed up in a short period, I see them keeping within the confines of one thread.

If a group of feminists signed up to show support to one another in one thread, I wouldn't be too different (aside I'd probably be laughing a lot at them a lot more).

We should be trying for unity here, not division.

No doubt the new members will be infecting more threads with their dribble. It doesn't make sense they would join here otherwise.

Since they may become important in some aspects of supporting the male cause, could I suggest a separate area for them on this forum, such as "Masculinist flipside" so that the distinction between mainstream antifeminism and masculinism is apparent to even casual readers?

[PWCM]

Bullshit!

I've just been thru every page of this thread, and your original quote has been removed. What you are doing is calling all men's activists "masculinists" in order to justify the use of "we". Here's an example:

Well, Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist -- FUCK YOU and your posioness brand of Masculinism or whatever the hell you call it.


PS. Marx has accused me of "cursing" and using "uncivilised" phrases. Anyone who has read my posts knows that I hardly ever swear, but you can add the above to the list. And it hasn't been lost on me that the AM logo at the top of the web page now shares the same font as that used on Masculinist.net. Is that a coincidence?

I feel a Conspiracy Theory coming on here?

As for the 'Fuck you", I guess you feel offended, thus the reactionary words.

[aoirthoir]

If "this" is a major influx of, or takeover by, masculanists

I've created I think 4 threads? Maybe 5? And I've responded to I think, one thread.


Notice My Fellow Masculinists, posting on 4 or 5 or 6 threads is seen as a "take over" or "major influx" of us. That is how powerful the Masculinists Movement is and do not ever forget it my Brother Masculinists.

and this thread is representative of what masculanists are, then I shall be looking to move to a forum that discusses issues sensibly with people willing to debate matters and desiring to explain what they mean to those who are interested.

I am not interested in debating. I want you to maintain your own beliefs. Why should I in any wise attempt to convince you agianst your beliefs?

I fear that antimisandry may be taken over by people who believe that the way forward is to answer questions on their beliefs with:

Notice my Masculinists Brothers, posting on 4 or 5 or perhaps 6 threads is considered for us to be "taking over". That is how powerful you are my Brothers.

I fear that antimisandry may be taken over by people who believe it can be beneficial to men to make opening introductory statements like "I and I alone, am the single most important person in the Pro-Male Men's Movement."

Now notice that Douglas chose to quote my initial post partially and left out what I said at the end, which was:

Every one of you reading this should have heard your own voice there, and not mine.


Because you, and you alone are the most important Man in this movement.


You, and you alone.

Which is incredibly egotistical and of no value, use or truth without support. Then later the same poster admits:

My statement can be spoken by any Man or Woman or Neuter or Intersexed or any person of any variety. It can be spoken in their own voice.

Actually it wasn't later that I said who my post applied to, it was within the post itself.

Which at least removes the egotistical aspect,

No, it leaves the egotistical part. Why should not Men be egotistical? Men should think highly of themselves and see themselves as excellent role models.

only to leave one with a completely meaningless nonsense

We acknowledge it is nonensense and meaningless to you. In no wise were any of us trying to convince you of its sense, something you have chosen not to grasp.

since grammar dictates that there can only be ONE who is the "most" of anything

As I have said before, you choose to be limited. We Masculinists choose to be unlimited.

and being the most important in the removal of antimisandry is not what counts: it is doing something that is important and if every man does just a little to end misandry, we will see an end to it far quicker than any number who are concerned with doing more than anyone else

You get to choose what is more important to you. I choose what is more important to me. That is in fact the point of Men's Rights.

but who are unable or unwilling to explain just what it is they stand for.

We were able and willing and we did explain what we stand for:


All Men are Men.
All Men are Good.
All Men are Worthy.
All Masculinists are dutiful.


The fact that you do not stand for these things does not mean that we do not stand for them, nor does it mean we did not plainly and simply state that we stood for them.

Masculanism appears to be a matter of having faith in unsupportable statements made to make people feel better about themselves.

Yes. Something Men desperately need in this anti-Male age, is to feel better about themselves. Why do you object so strongly to us attempting to help Men to feel better about themselves?

While I accept religious beliefs,

You choose which religious beliefs you accept.

I take issue with anyone who communicates their beliefs to others with the obvious intent (regardless of the actual verbiage) to gather supporters

I communicated my beliefs because you asked me what they were. If you do not want people communicating their beliefs, perhaps you should refrain from asking them what their beliefs are in an open forum.

and yet does not have their beliefs supported by reason.

My beliefs do not need the support of reason, logic, facts, science. I made no such claim. I said to you at the start, that we do not seek converts. Since you seek reason, I suggest you follow your own path and not mine. Other Masculinists base their beliefs on logic, reason, facts and science. I do not.

After 8 pages of attempts to engage in debate and extract meaning, I am left feeling my earlier statement on this thread is even more important

You have attempted to engage in debate. I have told you I am not interested in debating, converting, convincing or profing my belief to you. It is mine and not yours.

I hope the evident nonsense in this site's definition of masculinist is enough to keep people away from them.

I do too. As I said, we do not seek converts.

Bullshit!


I've just been thru every page of this thread, and your original quote has been removed.

Well then in that case let me say there are BILLIONS of Masculinists. Precisely 280 billion. Pehaps whoever "removed" my comment will remove this claim.

What you are doing is calling all men's activists "masculinists" in order to justify the use of "we". Here's an example:


"In India we are regularly broadcast on the national televised media debating feminists to expose some corrupt law."


Just who do you mean by we here? Do you mean the those guys in India fighting a situation far worse than in the west, but who have probably never heard of you? You are effectively trying to take credit for what others are doing.

"We" here are Masculinists. No I am not calling all Men's Activists Masculinists. I am saying what I said, in India the terms MRA/Masculinists/Masculists are used interchangeably. And I do not take credit for a single thing they have done. You fabricated that as well.

Well, Aoirthoir An Broc, Masculinist -- FUCK YOU and your posioness brand of Masculinism or whatever the hell you call it."

Ok.

And it hasn't been lost on me that the AM logo at the top of the web page now shares the same font as that used on Masculinist.net. Is that a coincidence?

So now fonts are dangerous too?


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Now for those coming new to this I recommend you go compare what they claim I have said, with what I have actually said. For what others claim about me, falsely, I am "dangerous."


Keep in mind my Brothers, that you have all of the power in this fight against Misandry. You, and you alone.

[PWCM]

If "this" is a major influx of, or takeover by, masculanists and this thread is representative of what masculanists are, then I shall be looking to move to a forum that discusses issues sensibly with people willing to debate matters and desiring to explain what they mean to those who are interested.

Why would you move? Would it not serve your own interests to totally ignore us and remain loyal to a board that has served you well?

[felixblue]

There are millions of Christians worldwide, but do they all frequent the same church? There are millions of MRA's do they all come to AM?

Aoithoir is a somebody, for starters he is a MAN, and in my book that makes him somebody. Unless you choose to believe that unless someone fits into your path of thinking they become nobodies.



No doubt you have found it 'infuriating and interesting', but the indulgence is purely your own.

So based on your statement you would have us all believe that in order to lay claim to having 100k+ activists you need to be a member of a particular site? Much like if you are a Labour voter you need to join the Labour party, correct?

This is like scratching an itch really.. But I continue to indulge it.. Like trying to communicate with my deranged eldest son, or to stir fry a badger in a low calorie hourglass..

Maybe you could just estimate the number of men in the world and use that figure.. The numbers of labour voters can be very accurately determined. 8,601,441.

Evidence is always a useful thing to present if you wish your claims to be taken seriously.

I dont see any evidence of any great numbers. The website is usually the starting point to indicate what is what. In a web based group especially.

I would ask for evidence of this, but I know what sort of reply I would get.. So I am happy to just roll my eyes and wait and see if anything comes of this group.

Check out this site:-

David Icke's Official Forums

Over 70,000 members. 4 million posts. Now there is a man who could lay claims to having "nnnnnnn" activists..

But what do they actually DO?

Mr J Arthur is earning some respect from me, but not on the basis of talking much sense. He is strangely entertaining and thought provoking and I think that is very useful in order to attract numbers needed.. Too few MRA's consider the value of this in the current social climate where waffle and banality seems to be regarded as an artform.. Like it or not, piffle and nonsense does have many fans.. "random bolloxspeak" collects many views and hits on the web.. God only knows why or what use it really is, but its a fact that we ignore at our peril..

A man with 100,000 activists to consider would not be spending every spare moment he has responding to insignificant posters on forums..

And would surely have more than about zero to 4 replies on the articles on what must be assumed to be the "flagship web site" of the group..

I could mention one or two other chaps I have encounturd in my time who seem to make grand claims, as is easy to do on the wankernet..

But no..

Just take care of yourselves Mr Arthur and co..

Don't be getting yourselves into any trouble youse cant handle!

[aoirthoir]

You Westerners think, if it is not happening in the west, it is not happening. There is an entire world of Men's Rights going on right outside your radar.