Fuckwits in the MRM

[Nikonian]

The best psychologists are ad agencies and politicians. Most of the studies or categories in the field of psychology are completely useless yet they exist because feminists teach non responsibility, close mindedness, and to base emotion or truth on "feeling". Mainstream feminism keeps everybody at childhood with women alleviated from responsibility and stress and men too ____ to have emotion or maturity. Why else do they encourage women to party where the likelihood of rape is high and then say It wasn't her fault at all. Most forms of feminism in a nutshell are the fountain of youth gated off by socialism and marxism...

Why else do "adults" need a "parent" or mediator to control their emotions and feelings

[julie]

Look ALL men. All you have is what is available just like every female has. If men say this and that about you..... then be as fucked off as you are against the 10% gender of woman.
Hey, umm, you can make a men;s support group but like business - you have to bargain ect and for the 86% of you coming forward - there's no money to be made.

[Popadibs]

Oh, more than half is = to 10%? Must be arithfemtic.

[julie]

The best psychologists are ad agencies and politicians. Most of the studies or categories in the field of psychology are completely useless ..........

I like you. Great thinking.

I have been looking at very successful people who spent decades taking on professionals. Sooo, soooo many people were harmed and died unnecessarily. Things go way back and professionals are often the last people to change. IMO, it's the education system where careers in education can only build on instead of saying, "Hey, there's something very wrong here and I can prove it". MY gosh, many non professionals had the answer and it took decades for professionals to catch up. I also hear from women doing their masters degrees in social work, psychology, psychiatry etc and how they are told they can't change anything - I see the trap they are in and I see their hopelessness and how we have power though it's a difficult road.

Mainstream feminism keeps everybody at childhood with women alleviated from responsibility and stress and men too ____ to have emotion or maturity. Why else do they encourage women to party where the likelihood of rape is high and then say It wasn't her fault at all. Most forms of feminism in a nutshell are the fountain of youth gated off by socialism and marxism...

With due respect and lots of respect for venturing into clarification, it's not this simple.

Why else do "adults" need a "parent" or mediator to control their emotions and feelings

Perhaps the system is an entity of it's own???? Perhaps the best for humans has been a higher power until now???

Added after 12 minutes:

Oh, more than half is = to 10%? Must be arithfemtic.

LOL.

I am sorry for swearing "Fuckwit' instead of saying "Stupid". I am learning as I go and I have a big day tomorrow taking on a huge part of NZ society.

I had a real neat man tell me the best thing that happened to NZ is a film titled 'Once were warriors". I saw the movie at a picture theater because I wanted to understand why many were protesting on right wing media that it wasn't fair to show NZ this way to the world.

At interval I turned to my brother-in-law and said, "No-one is going to believe this happens" only to have people in front of me and behind me, to the left and to the right of me say out loud in the picture theater, "Yes, it's true, it happened in my family".

People were coming to me outside to tell me their story.

.............

I know above doesn't relate to your comment but this is what I am up against.

[Nikonian]

With due respect and lots of respect for venturing into clarification, it's not this simple.

True... human psychology is a broad subject and there are 1000's of studies and professions in it. Generally speaking though people are not taught to grow up by the educational system. They teach that an active sex life and high tolerance of violence (or anything for that matter) is what makes you an adult and not intellect. Modern schools teach smartness (the ability to memorize stuff and use what you memorized to your advantage) instead of intellect. Gender studies (run by mainstream and moderate feminism) are the least open to intellectual discussion. What they call a discussion is "I tell you a problem, you give me ideas on what to do to solve it" instead of "I tell you a problem, you argue what you think the problem is, we both try to get to the root of it by figuring out what the problem really is then we come up with ideas to solve it"...

Schools as a huge generalization tell girls/women they have the right to whatever they want as long as they stay victims of the patriarchy (Ie you must become a scientist to fight the pay wage gap and the men who oppress you etc). They as a generalization tell boys/men to "control their brutishness and violent tenancies and stop oppressing women. The logistics behind it are much more complicated but as a general rule it seems to be somewhat true.

Perhaps the system is an entity of it's own???? Perhaps the best for humans has been a higher power until now???

Maybe you are right, I really don't know, but I do know many more people are becoming educated idiots than any other time in history. A society starts to die when it's people cannot think for themselves...

[Richard]

When has psychology not been a tool?

Under Freud it was used to repress women, under women it is used to repress men.
It is used in advertising, the army.....

With psychology you can get whatever results you want by choosing the "right" theory. eg"How you have sex
ual fantiasies? FREUD "You are sick". Contemporary psychology "Lets see if it fits out checklist of healthy ones..."

The best thing possible is to get psychologists OUT of the family courts, and assume 50-50 parenting.

I understand that one can uses ones penius to make a child, but one needs the "OK" by a court psychologist to see ones kid?

Hitler would be proud, gives a whole new spin to the idea "master race" (or should I say gender!)

[Popadibs]

So 'Ode to Freud' is a tribute to that guy for real?

[CaptDMO]

Ah yes, psychology. When too many people want to justify parental redistribution of wealth for a college tuition (actual education merely implied) but can't quite make the psychiatry cut, and an "official degree" in "political science", or IT'S differently abled sibling, "politics", just doesn't quite seem to carry the same weight in the quest to transmografy academic into overbloated paycheck.

Rather than argue the merits of the value of "It' really complicated..." psychology, in the "special" courts of law, where it has NO BUSINESS, I'll stick with the parables, presented at a level that even a child can comprehend, over the last, oh....2000 years or so of observation of the human condition. STRANGELY, such observations, (parables and tales for children) from desperately distinct civilizations, seem not only to concur, but also to remain valid.

Of course, like any academic subject, one can pay an expert tuition to explain the vocabulary they made up to "complicate"
their value as an "expert", "educate" the referees to change the rules during private, all expense paid, no "peer review allowed", junkets at exotic tropical "forums".

Rent seekers (see: Adam Smith) simply "accidentally" move the decimal point on the equation of their value to the rest of society. When folks begin to admit that the King has no clothes, SUDDENLY, violent enforcement, and of course imprisonment, is justified in the eyes of the formerly "peacefully demonstrating" (tantrum prone) sophomores.
Also see:
Animal Farm
Lord of the Flies
The Butterfly Revolution
"Theses" of ANY "revolutionary" self proclaimed big thinker, demanding mass slaughter/imprisonment/starvation/enslavement of folks that don't "buy" their personal status as omnipotent.

Shockingly No, I wasn't "popular" amongst the "humanities"/mental basket weaving folk that were on the seven year plan (it's soooooo complicated), or their "teachers", at Sarah Lawrence.
Nor was I popular amongst the "professional" addiction recovery (and related) folk.
The "degreed", "licenced", and(or) unionized technical folk in the international preforming arts field (theater/dance/movies/TV) didn't particularly like being consistently put in their place by a lowly peon with none of those "credentials" either.

The funny thing about Mensa type folk is they often "get it" the first time, without having to suffer each and every appointed fool's "contribution'. Psychiatry, Law, and all their intellectual [i]bastard children[i], are no different, just move the decimal point.
Strangely, we also recognize that we CAN be fools, even WITH an official appointment, degree, license, award, trophy, certificate of attendance, or membership/"business" card, to do so.

[julie]

May I throw out there that it would be really hard to get a Mra psychologist in the courts anyway. To be in that position you need to have a degree from a repeatable school. A "reputable school" will teach feminism and other wise brainwash it's students. Futhermore the study of psychology is subjective/scientific and and is subject to the current scientific and social trends instead of rock solid data...

I hear what you are saying but, ummm, the NZ MRM has MRM Psychologists, lawyers, judges, etc. They are too much for moderate people IMO and from what I see and hear ...... but I guess you need extremists.

One man who has attacked as a lawyer (barrister) and been fined for bringing up feminism and Nazism during a court case is one of my favorites. He also talks about cases that are against women like one judge being scared of the man wanting his child and he just gave him what he wanted in fear of repercussion even though he is dangerous to the mother. But he's known to be abusive to leaders of the country and cunning which is a downer IMO.

One judge just refuses to give mothers custody and as the men's movement gains power, many judges, psychologists, and social workers are backing men just for the fact they hear they're being hated by feminists. Some men, like some women, are real nasty and to your face they say they're out to fuck up their exes lives however they can.

What we need are politically agnostic/humanistic psycologists, lawyers, and judges but that is never going to happen. I would assume that most (and know for sure, many) MRA's are pretty politically agnostic/humanistic but we have yet to find that out.

You are right IMO, it won't happen, because there's too much anger and neither side are able to get close to the other side let alone willing to try. I liker feminists who have worked in coed places during their time of working all the fields. Perhaps once masculinists do the same, we can get some human aspect.

To your credit Julie I read your posts because they are thought stirring and controversial. Even if I don't agree (or am fully confused and befuddled) it is nice to get a different perspective.

This is nice of you. I just want to say that I know I am confusing and I've known for years I am the wrong person to be involved in all this. It's just that ... well, I don't know why I care. I have a friend who is a criminologist who said to me, "I can't help but get involved, I'm just drawn to this". He would be a multimillionaire by now if he could escape, lol. I struggle allot because it challenges me and heals me, while I don't have good coping skills. (I numbed myself for a long time) It's embarrassing.

I also know I am nowhere near as smart as people online.But people put up with me and I deep down love them for it.

[Transhuman]

When people, men or women, feel they are not being listened to, they can often adopt extreme presentation of their issues to try to gain attention. After a point, any attention is better than no attention. I am not surprised that some men are adopting the tactics of some women (feminists); mens issues have been ignored, marginalised and ridiculed for long enough that it is fostering extremists.

I understand this circumstance you describe is frustrating to you, a judge making biased decisions favouring the father based solely on the sex (male) of the parent. yet in many other cases in countries such as Australia, Canada, UK and USA the reverse is comprehensively the opposite, with judges making decisions in favour of the mother purely because she is a woman. I'm not saying either bias is acceptable but it is understandable.

Those who want to eschew bigotry, need to seek out like minded people who want to work together to heal the breach. At the moment, divorce is increasingly becoming about revenge and money, not the original, simplistic separation of two married adults with minimal impost and shared access to children. The largest obstacle to any reformation of divorce is going to be the industry that has grown up around divorce and the money it earns the professional participants.