Woman breaks law, starts fight with man--man hits back, media call him "Thug," "Animal"

[conaill]

What will save him,is the video evidence,a simple case of self defence,however the press try to rubbish the chap,but he has a case against the aggressor,i hope he sue's her short arse off.

[sparkwhite]

What will save him,is the video evidence,a simple case of self defence,however the press try to rubbish the chap,but he has a case against the aggressor,i hope he sue's her short arse off.

That's what Oscar Fuller's betting on:

“'She hit first and as we know, cameras are everywhere in New York City,' he told CBS 2′s John Slattery."

[tiny angel]

So the mother of this girl is saying that since her daughter is only 4'11 that she can't be blamed. Women and men who are even shorter than 4'11 can attack and hurt women and men who are tall. Being short does not give you the right to hit someone.

[Dylan MacVillain]

Wow. This case bothers me for lots of reasons. What bothers me the most is something that has been stated several times on this site: namely, that the articles and case are racist. Puhleeeze! How fatuous and spurious. And, what's more such claims are in fact racist themselves.

How is calling a man who happens to be black a "thug" or an "animal" racist? I am as sick of anti-white racism as I am of misandry, and both types of discrimination (against MY people) come from the same mindset and use the same tactics. There is this belief that non-whites are exempt from certain things because including them would be racist. Women, as this case shows, are supposed to be exempt from all violence, even when necessary for self defense, which this case is about, and which is, in fact, sexist against men. If women want to be treated as equals, they must act like equals. Likewise, the implication in the comments about the "racial overtones" of the words "thug" and "animal" being used is that it's only wrong to use them because the man is not white, not because the suspect is a man or a human being. That is racist, as the logical conclusion one should readily draw from such "thinking" is that it's okay to call whites "thugs" and "animals who need to be caged." I'm (not) sorry, but bringing racism into this case is absurd, d-d-d-dumb and counterproductive.

A person either is a thug and an animal based on his OR her behavior or is not, and nothing else is a factor for or against such labels, i.e. her or his being whatever color, doing whatever occupation, or having whatever marital or parental status.

Regarding the mother's comments about agression, that would mean that Napoleon was passive.

The man's criminal "record" is irrelevant. I have never understood why previous arrests and convictions are relevant to current cases. The case should stand on its own. The accused guilt or innocence in previous situations has no bearing whatsoever on his guilt or innocence in this one. I comprehend the fact that using people's "records" is just another part of the sick Prison Industrial Complex in the USofA.

As we all know violence against men is an acceptable part of life on this entire planet. I am currently in Germany studying German full time and have noticed misandry in the classroom on the part of feminist female teachers. I can elaborate more in another post, but a point relevant to this topic is that one of my teachers, while talking about whether it's appropriate or not to hit children, laughed and stated that sometimes women hit men. I stated that that is not acceptable, which she responded to by smiling nervously. As part of my language-learning process, I am watching children's movies (as I can't stand regular movies that have been dubbed, and children's movies usually have subtitles). Anyways, I am watching Ratatouille, which contains a scene in which the main character, due to working all night, is standing at the stove sound asleep. His female coworker is insulted by this behavior so she smacks him silly. What's more, a few minutes later the guys kisses her. The message is clear: it is okay for females to hit males. Heck, it might even turn them on! What utterly sick filth to be putting into children's movies and minds!

I agree with many of the comments regarding why the guy did what he did and don't think he did anything morally wrong. The lessons we should learn from this are that we shouldn't get out of our vehicles to confront people and we should have a dash cam for evidenciary purposes.

[sparkwhite]

Wow. This case bothers me for lots of reasons. What bothers me the most is something that has been stated several times on this site: namely, that the articles and case are racist. Puhleeeze! How fatuous and spurious. And, what's more such claims are in fact racist themselves.

Nice. Do you realize that you just called me racist?

How is calling a man who happens to be black a "thug" or an "animal" racist? I am as sick of anti-white racism as I am of misandry, and both types of discrimination (against MY people) come from the same mindset and use the same tactics. There is this belief that non-whites are exempt from certain things because including them would be racist. Women, as this case shows, are supposed to be exempt from all violence, even when necessary for self defense, which this case is about, and which is, in fact, sexist against men. If women want to be treated as equals, they must act like equals. Likewise, the implication in the comments about the "racial overtones" of the words "thug" and "animal" being used is that it's only wrong to use them because the man is not white, not because the suspect is a man or a human being. That is racist, as the logical conclusion one should readily draw from such "thinking" is that it's okay to call whites "thugs" and "animals who need to be caged." I'm (not) sorry, but bringing racism into this case is absurd, d-d-d-dumb and counterproductive.

I was thinking about this earlier, because in one of my classes the professor loves to intersperse his informative powerpoint slides with pictures of monkeys side-by-side with pictures of former President George W. Bush. There have to have been more than 20 such visual comparisons this semester. It's completely acceptable for him to make this political statement, and it is a political statement, whether there's any real content to it or not, and express other similar, Liberal sentiments in what's supposed to be an objective University classroom . . And yet when somebody on the right compares Barack Obama to a monkey it makes national news and is virtually denounced by everyone as racist. There is a definite double standard there.

So I can see your point. And maybe the factor of race doesn't factor very much in media depictions of Oscar Fuller. There is no need to say I'm not thinking, or that anything I said is d-d-d-dumb.

In fact, "thug" is definitely a word that, in my American culture, tends to be associated with African-American and/or Latino violent gangsters. This was a working man, not a career criminal, so it seems to me that this epithet was very likely retrieved by the persons quoted in the article and applied to Oscar Fuller so readily due to the (perhaps subconscious) association of a black man with criminality.

And I bet that the judge in this case will hand out a tougher sentence to Oscar Fuller than he would a white man in similar circumstances. I simply do think that's likely.

[Zuberi]

In fact, "thug" is definitely a word that, in my American culture, tends to be associated with African-American and/or Latino violent gangsters. This was a working man, not a career criminal, so it seems to me that this epithet was very likely retrieved by the persons quoted in the article and applied to Oscar Fuller so readily due to the (perhaps subconscious) association of a black man with criminality.

Yeah that much is clear. If you need proof, just type in thug on Google search and click the images. The proof is all there.

[Dylan MacVillain]

Yeah that much is clear. If you need proof, just type in thug on Google search and click the images. The proof is all there.

I'm not buying it. I didn't need to in order to know that the term is not racist, but I did a Google search anyways, as you suggested. Here is the first link: Thug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Look it over. There's nothing racist about the term. It is used to describe a rough and violent person, who is often hired for his violent services. The Mafia has thugs. If there is any connection between blacks and the term "thug", perhaps it is self-imposed because of things such as Tupac's group Thug Life, etc. That, however, in no way makes the term racist.

Attributing racism to this case looks like one is grasping at straws and only weakens the legitimate case for misandry claims.

[Zuberi]

I'm not buying it. I didn't need to in order to know that the term is not racist, but I did a Google search anyways, as you suggested. Here is the first link: Thug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look it over. There's nothing racist about the term. It is used to describe a rough and violent person, who is often hired for his violent services. The Mafia has thugs. If there is any connection between blacks and the term "thug", perhaps it is self-imposed because of things such as Tupac's group Thug Life, etc. That, however, in no way makes the term racist.
Attributing racism to this case looks like one is grasping at straws and only weakens the legitimate case for misandry claims.

The origin of the word can be traced back to the Indian cult. Thug Behram: 1765-1840. He was part of the Thuggee cult of India and was one of the world's most prolific killers. It is said that he has killed 931 people by strangulation.

In America, when the average dullard hears the word "thug" they automatically picture Blacks or Latinos.
The hog shit media has pushed that stereotype onto Blacks & Latinos for decades.

[Dylan MacVillain]

The origin of the word can be traced back to the Indian cult. Thug Behram: 1765-1840. He was part of the Thuggee cult of India and was one of the world's most prolific killers. It is said that he has killed 931 people by strangulation.

In America, when the average dullard hears the word "thug" they automatically picture Blacks or Latinos.
The hog shit media has pushed that stereotype onto Blacks & Latinos for decades.

I'm American. I'm white. I have never, ever, ever associated the word "thug" with blacks or Latinos. I do not know what you are talking about.

[Zuberi]

I'm American. I'm white. I have never, ever, ever associated the word "thug" with blacks or Latinos. I do not know what you are talking about.

That's because you're not the average dullard.

And I bet that the judge in this case will hand out a tougher sentence to Oscar Fuller than he would a white man in similar circumstances. I simply do think that's likely.

Of course it's likely that he'd get a tougher sentence. New York is the douche bag capital in the US that has more corruption than a Trojan infested PC.

[wohodude100]

The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter that the guy was black or white. In fact, the media story probably didn't even bother to look that up. The fact is is that this woman was the aggressor and the man was simply defending himself, yet the media still went out of their way to portray the man as an evil attacker and the woman as an innocent victim. The important is not whether the man was black or white, but that we have a bias in our society which is evident in the attitudes reflected in the media.

The media not only distorts stories in order to favor women, but have you seen the reactions that people have in news stories of male on female violence compared to female on male violence. Its absolutely sickening. In the former case everyone appropriately agrees that violence is wrong and the aggressor should be punished, but then when its the other way around they laugh, make jokes, and actually think its funny! And no thanks to the fucking media who continues to push this ridiculous female on male violence is funny/inconsequential.

[le jacquelope]

But Oscar knew that others had witnessed the fight. Why bother to call the police himself? Do you think the boyfriend would have politely let him make his phone call? No! Once the boyfriend recruited some help from passerby, Oscar Fuller would be restrained at the least and probably beat up in addition to that. Hell, the boyfriend could have killed him. Not calling the cops himself didn't mean that Lana got medical attention later than she could have; I suspect the cops and ambulances would have showed up at the same time regardless.

True that. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. He could have gotten mobbed.

What will save him,is the video evidence,a simple case of self defence,however the press try to rubbish the chap,but he has a case against the aggressor,i hope he sue's her short arse off.

And that's the ONLY reason I hope she comes out of that coma... to get sued, humiliated and ruined. To send a message to everyone else who might pull that crap.

[Joanne Austin]

To be fair, I don't see how the terms used are racist; I've seen them applied to numerous white criminals. In my opinion, the severity of words used is reflective of his gender, not race. When I think of the term 'thug', I think of a white skinhead (although, where I live is predominantly white, hence why I would have more images of white people, than black, naturally). I've been told I look thuggish, as it happens. Let's not play the 'race' card too quickly; there are parallels between doing so, and playing the 'gender' card. Not that I'm comparing the two things too much, in this example, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Interesting 'Google' observation, though, Zub..............surprised me.

[byslexic_danana]

The above post was me; my housemate didn't log out, and I didn't realise....in case anyone wonders how a non-feminist woman can be said to look thuggish.......

[Celtic Druid]

The above post was me; my housemate didn't log out, and I didn't realise....in case anyone wonders how a non-feminist woman can be said to look thuggish.......

That said, otherwise, your 'housemate' is looking promising from previous postings I've noted.