Notions of defending state or nation?

[haahoo]

For a time, yes.




Yes, what do you think is happening right now? Since the start of the recession the Pound Sterling lost about 30% of it's value, I wouldnt be surprised if it lost a lot more before the end. This thing isnt over, we'll see how much our money is worth when the dust settles.

Then there is the "corrector", when the currency devalues, our exports become more attractive by virtue of low price, and our imports cost more, thus reducing the demand for them.

The UK has a problem in that much of our export is "financial goods", such as insurance and other such bankerwankery..

I think when the service, financial, and other "non productive" sectors of the economy get disproportionally large, or the productive base just drops off, its like having a hospital with 1000 cleaners and admin workers, but only 1 doctor and 2 nurses..

Does not meet the needs of the patients!

Good strong leadership can see problems coming and forestall/prevent them.

I personally feel that the priorities in western society seem a bit "wrong" at the moment..

Resources in the UK seem to be distributed towards those who have proven weakness, rather than strength..

The victim state is not a productive state to encourage.

[Marx]

good analogy, HH.

[Celtic Druid]

I think most of the empires that are considered came about through a desire to grow and expand, to take over weaker groups, to assimilate and include those they took over.. It is hard to know what an "empire" really is these days, is it bounded by national borders, or it is some framework of ideology that transcends such?

Good questions haahoo.

The aspiring EU empire (based on a communist template) is working towards creating a United States of Europe (which was invented by Adolf Hitler) and 'pool sovereignty' (a phrase in official EU literature). Once finalized a drab homogenous brand of tyranny devoid of diversity, freedom and choice will replace the individual sovereignties with something akin to an Orwellian nightmare

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[TheOldOligarch]

Then there is the "corrector", when the currency devalues, our exports become more attractive by virtue of low price, and our imports cost more, thus reducing the demand for them.

The UK has a problem in that much of our export is "financial goods", such as insurance and other such bankerwankery..

You're assuming that corrections like this are going to be allowed to proceed unopposed. Look what happened when the markets tried to correct (ie purge) the idiocy in the banking sector, people arent going to accept it, they're going to support the government in any measures it takes to forstall a large drop in living standards, which is what would come about if what you said were allowed to happen (which I agree needs to happen).

So interests rates will keep getting supressed, more and more pressure will be put on lending institutions to keep lending and when the correction comes its going to be all at once and truly horrific.

Every possible effort is going to be made to prevent the market from correcting this, efforts which will probably cost us more wealth and put us deeper into debt than the correction itself.

[Percy]

The aspiring EU empire (based on a communist template) is working towards creating a United States of Europe (which was invented by Adolf Hitler) and 'pool sovereignty' (a phrase in official EU literature). Once finalized a drab homogenous brand of tyranny devoid of diversity, freedom and choice will replace the individual sovereignties with something akin to an Orwellian nightmare
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We can blame Hitler or Communism for many things, but not this. Napoleon was before and Charlamaine before him. Crikey, the Romans were before all of them.

There is a lot to be said for a United Europe. The 'Soveriegn States' paradigm didn't work, that's for sure, and that has been around for just a few hundred years (Treaty of Westphalia). The resultant EU does not Have To Be "finalized a drab homogenous brand of tyranny devoid of diversity, freedom and choice (that) will replace the individual sovereignties with something akin to an Orwellian nightmare". It COULD enhance individuality and break down artificial barriers. The choice depends on the Peoples of Europe.

[Percy]

Have you ever had the thought that the Aztecs invoked the Spanish conquest due to the massive 'karmic' debt they collected with all their human sacrifices?

I am not sure about the 'Karmic' aspect but nature has a way of eradicating strains that run amok. Sometimes that mechanism is just as bad but more limited in time. The 'Spanish' were to the Aztecs as Miximatosis was to rabbits.

The mass human sacrifice of the South Americans of this tribe or that was a huge stain on humanity. It was madness. Label things as we may with all sorts of 'cultural' nomenclature and 'rationalisation', it is inescapable that such civilisations were completely loony. The 'civilisations' in that part of the world were a 'natural experiment' that went disasterously wrong. Perhaps it was something in the water.

[haahoo]

You're assuming that corrections like this are going to be allowed to proceed unopposed. Look what happened when the markets tried to correct (ie purge) the idiocy in the banking sector, people arent going to accept it, they're going to support the government in any measures it takes to forstall a large drop in living standards, which is what would come about if what you said were allowed to happen (which I agree needs to happen).

So interests rates will keep getting supressed, more and more pressure will be put on lending institutions to keep lending and when the correction comes its going to be all at once and truly horrific.

Every possible effort is going to be made to prevent the market from correcting this, efforts which will probably cost us more wealth and put us deeper into debt than the correction itself.

yes. Short term pain for long term gain is too scarey for the state. They would rather drag out the pain.. forever.. Fear of mass social uprising is what they are hiding from.. The banks should have been allowed to GO UNDER!! Fuck those institutions that lend to fucktards!

[haahoo]

I am not sure about the 'Karmic' aspect but nature has a way of eradicating strains that run amok. Sometimes that mechanism is just as bad but more limited in time. The 'Spanish' were to the Aztecs as Miximatosis was to rabbits.

The mass human sacrifice of the South Americans of this tribe or that was a huge stain on humanity. It was madness. Label things as we may with all sorts of 'cultural' nomenclature and 'rationalisation', it is inescapable that such civilisations were completely loony. The 'civilisations' in that part of the world were a 'natural experiment' that went disasterously wrong. Perhaps it was something in the water.

columbian marching powder more like!

[haahoo]

We can blame Hitler or Communism for many things, but not this. Napoleon was before and Charlamaine before him. Crikey, the Romans were before all of them.

There is a lot to be said for a United Europe. The 'Soveriegn States' paradigm didn't work, that's for sure, and that has been around for just a few hundred years (Treaty of Westphalia). The resultant EU does not Have To Be "finalized a drab homogenous brand of tyranny devoid of diversity, freedom and choice (that) will replace the individual sovereignties with something akin to an Orwellian nightmare". It COULD enhance individuality and break down artificial barriers. The choice depends on the Peoples of Europe.

They want to travel freely, but of course, dont want FORIEGNERS in THEIR own land..

The only country I am aware of that seems to think fully "european" is Germany. That country has found a better way (than war) of getting power over other countries..

But even they often moan about the "Eastern" immigrants.