Another 'Dirt file' on MRAs.

[coffeecup248]

people treating people like RV like crap, simply because she's a woman.

You guys wouldn't have attacked her as brutally if she were a man.

This is chivalry.

I dont like her because of her ideas. I dont like men that think like women either, and I talk to them in exactly the same way.

There is no other way.

besides, her post, pre my reply post #44 was full of insults to me, and full of nonsense, stop defending these women, you are encouraging them.

[coffeecup248]

Ok, I'm a moron, but since I completely refuted the garbage you spewed... What does that make you? Think long and hard about it.

Im sorry about the multiple posts but..

you completely refuted my arguments? LMAO when? where? was it in your reputation note that you sent me? what was it again? oh yes, "Blah, Blah, Blah".

it certainly wasnt in your post containing the crap about russian women, because that crashed and burnt spectacularly.

You got screwed to the wall, but just like every other woman that lost an argument, you claim that you won.

[Zuberi]

I dont like men that think like women either, and I talk to them in exactly the same way.

Then we're both on the same page....

[RebelliousVanilla]

coffeecup, by the fact that you didn't answer what I wrote and you kept rambling like a PMSing hooker, you de facto admit I am right.

coffeecup, actually, I agree with you on something - money should be given to those who have success and shouldn't be redistributed by the government or through governmental regulations. I'm all for that, not only because of the inefficiency of it, but also because of the immorality that it entails. But you should pick up the slack and learn what natural law actually is. Natural law actually suggests that each of us should have the same rights, regardless of gender, race and whatnot and from there it is up to us to pursue our interests in life. And by the same rights, I actually mean rights(life, property, speech and so on), not the leftist spin of it(healthcare and whatever, which are privileges, not rights) nor the claptrap about equal results/outcome. That is natural law, at least in the juridic sense.

And by the way, by the same logic you use, I can create the White supremacist paradigm. I mean, we did invent the best forms of government, most of the scientific breakthroughs, we are smarter than all races except East Asians and so on. By this criteria, any White person is better than any Black person - and you can look at Black post-colonialist countries and see some horrible results: the people are living worse than during colonialism.

Women couldn't really possibly do more things than men since achievement is based on liberty and rights. Men didn't have it good either throughout history, but that's what it is. When you're faced with problems, you come up with solutions. This is why artificially propping up women is retarded - the way the system works now. By the way, looking at the IQ distribution, men are both smarter and stupider than women. Why do you take pride in only the better half of the men? lol

When you talk about men being better, you actually refer to a tiny group of men - and I agree, those people are better. It's not men overall, as I said earlier. The IQ distribution is a proof of that. Also men commit more murders, this doesn't mean that you should be shamed for that, considering most people are neither inventors, nor murderers. But again, I didn't expect you to not be biased. And I agree, the average woman who was exposed in a large enough dose and brainwashed by the feminist propaganda is selfish, cruel and idiotic. Just like the Nazi youth soldiers were, though. There are a lot of instances in which women took a bullet because they were hiding their husbands from the police, refused to testify against them or refused to repudiate them. It even happened in the 20th century. The difference though is that they weren't brainwashed into feminism. Your argument about putting women below men is similar to putting Blacks below Whites. Just look at the results today - tons of Black on White crime, urban decay and so on. You really don't see your bias? lol. The real order isn't in between groups, but individuals and freedom and liberty will create it based on how competitive people are and what skills they posses.

As I said earlier, creative and hard working people should get the money based on their contributions to society - blame socialism and all the non-sense spewed by cultural Marxism like feminism for it. By your logic, Marie Curie shouldn't get any credit because she's a woman so she can't be creative or a good scientist.

The problem in the medical training is that the state pays for it so those women don't care since the cost of their education is socialized. People should pay their own education and then you would see them work to make the investment in their education be worthwhile. You can make the same argument about Blacks and their drop-out rate. And I agree with you about the business part - private business shouldn't be coerced into regulations created by idiotic bureaucrats who have no idea how business works.

Going back to the USSR and Nazi Germany thing. You shouldn't forget the state police officers who were seducing women and throw them in jail later either if you put it this way. And those accusations were made by both genders, just like the bullet was taken by the both genders. That was the point I was trying to make, in the moment in which you exclusively give good things to men and bad things to women.

What's amusing though is that your theory is the same as feminism, just that with the roles reversed. Somehow though, I actually don't extrapolate your behavior to all men and consider all men supremacists.

And the White-Black or whatever thing is the same as the gender issue. Planning things on it is idiotic group thinking. I actually showed you why Whites are superior to Blacks earlier in this thread, if you follow your logic consistently. You might not care about it since it removes the veil of your bigotism, but that's life.

Shame and fear in general are the ways to break the psyche of a person and this is why feminists use it. This is why shamed people "behave". When you talk about the hypocritical, disgusting nature of women, I think that you were looking in the mirror too, not only at feminists, since you exhibit exactly the same traits.

It is hilarious that you talk about bringing children up because in my family, my father was spoiling me while my mother was punishing me. And I have suffered certain things from men, but I don't extrapolate that behavior to all men. That's a logical fracture/fallacy. Obviously, in your ideology logic has no place.

And women aren't the ones causing the problems of the world. People in general are. Just compare the list of wars done by women and the ones done by men. Since by your logic, it's a gender thing.

It might be a hippy dream, but it's the way a society actually becomes the most successful - non discriminatory legislation. And yes, as long as people like you, feminists and so on will not be exposed for pathetic ideologues who have a sheer contempt for information, the "hippy dream" won't become reality.

Nash wasn't that healthy and yet he won the Nobel prize for his game theory - Nash equilibrium.

Meadester, I agree, judging individuals from collective point of views is stupid. I mean, you can observe group tendencies, but you can't make the claim that every individual in the said group has those tendencies.

You can start there. And I don't like any person who thinks like an idiot and you do think like one. I'm sorry if idiots are offended by this. I hope after the next two weeks, you will come up with some reasoning instead of keeping menstruating and cry around like a little boy who got his candy stolen.

[RebelliousVanilla]

Oh, another thing. I'll pick scientific breakthrough. By your logic, Black men should be under White women, since there are a lot more White women(stopped counting at 20) who won the Nobel prize than Black people altogether(12).

I won't even go at the IQ discrepancies and whatever.

[coffeecup248]

Oh, another thing. I'll pick scientific breakthrough. By your logic, Black men should be under White women, since there are a lot more White women(stopped counting at 20) who won the Nobel prize than Black people altogether(12).

I won't even go at the IQ discrepancies and whatever.

Your just a waste of my valuble time, frankly.

why do you keep going on about "well then by your logic, black men should be under white women"?? and this type of nonsense?

stop extrapolating my arguments. thats just one of the many flaws in your reasoning.

Just because I go so far along the chain of logic, doesnt mean that it would necessarily continue into the absurd. this shows that you just dont understand reason or logic.

talking to people like you is a waste of time, because we end up going round and round in circles, you talking nonsense, me refuting it, while I get exactly no work done. its the same for men and women in general, and throughout history. how much time has been wasted by trying to talk and give women what they want, when they have no idea themselves? women should be told what to do by the men that understand how things works. there should be no discussion.



One very important point I do want to make is this:

It is not just the good you do in life, its the harm you do. and women do massive amounts of harm to everyone, men, children and even themselves.

society has to be protected from women, its as simple as that.

the direct and the indirect influence of women is almost total.

you talk about men being the primary murderers, but why are men the primary murderers? I would hazard a guess (and its an educated guess knowing what I know about men/women and the way the world works), that some men are driven to murder by the stress put upon them by women, encouraging a competitive environment, now more than ever. and this is true of alot of 'male' crime. women are behind almost all of it in one way or another.

most men are just puppets, its women that really pull mens strings.

and women should be made to prove themselves socially responsible, simply because the majority are not, and thats mother nature that made women that way, not me. but it still has a harmful effect on society and so women need to be instructed in how to behave.

its your fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the world which is so tiresome.

[RebelliousVanilla]

Why should I stop? I use the same arguments you use when you reach your conclusion that women should be under men. If you don't like the conclusion I get to using the same arguments, it isn't my fault. You either reject both, or accept both. Otherwise your idea isn't based on any factual information or logic, it's just an illogical whim. It's a simple (hypothetical) syllogism, so don't tell me that I'm illogical, when you don't understand the basis of logical thought.

Instead of wasting your time rambling, without answering, you could have used the same time to answer - if you could, but you obviously can't, since you ignore it. If the conclusion I reached isn't based on the same principles as your idea, then show me where it isn't the same and why. This is all it would take, but you can't because you are wrong.

You are extrapolating, just like a feminist does. I guess you would agree with the idea that all men are murderers because they commit most of the murders. It follows the same reasoning you are using. And you are using yet another feminist tactic - it's never your gender's fault. Someone else is to blame. An educated guess would be because men are stronger and are prone to being more aggressive, which has both positives and negatives. I guess you are doing the same thing as a feminist talking about the oppressing patriarchy leading to females having trouble having success. You blame women for the faults of men, while they do the reverse. It's never the flaws within each gender.

And if women pull the strings on men, then we should get credited with all the achievements of men because we led them there. A great puppet show is the result of a great puppet master, not inert puppets.

"

coffeecup, actually, I agree with you on something - money should be given to those who have success and shouldn't be redistributed by the government or through governmental regulations. I'm all for that, not only because of the inefficiency of it, but also because of the immorality that it entails. But you should pick up the slack and learn what natural law actually is. Natural law actually suggests that each of us should have the same rights, regardless of gender, race and whatnot and from there it is up to us to pursue our interests in life. And by the same rights, I actually mean rights(life, property, speech and so on), not the leftist spin of it(healthcare and whatever, which are privileges, not rights) nor the claptrap about equal results/outcome. That is natural law, at least in the juridic sense.

And by the way, by the same logic you use, I can create the White supremacist paradigm. I mean, we did invent the best forms of government, most of the scientific breakthroughs, we are smarter than all races except East Asians and so on. By this criteria, any White person is better than any Black person - and you can look at Black post-colonialist countries and see some horrible results: the people are living worse than during colonialism.

Women couldn't really possibly do more things than men since achievement is based on liberty and rights. Men didn't have it good either throughout history, but that's what it is. When you're faced with problems, you come up with solutions. This is why artificially propping up women is retarded - the way the system works now. By the way, looking at the IQ distribution, men are both smarter and stupider than women. Why do you take pride in only the better half of the men? lol

When you talk about men being better, you actually refer to a tiny group of men - and I agree, those people are better. It's not men overall, as I said earlier. The IQ distribution is a proof of that. Also men commit more murders, this doesn't mean that you should be shamed for that, considering most people are neither inventors, nor murderers. But again, I didn't expect you to not be biased. And I agree, the average woman who was exposed in a large enough dose and brainwashed by the feminist propaganda is selfish, cruel and idiotic. Just like the Nazi youth soldiers were, though. There are a lot of instances in which women took a bullet because they were hiding their husbands from the police, refused to testify against them or refused to repudiate them. It even happened in the 20th century. The difference though is that they weren't brainwashed into feminism. Your argument about putting women below men is similar to putting Blacks below Whites. Just look at the results today - tons of Black on White crime, urban decay and so on. You really don't see your bias? lol. The real order isn't in between groups, but individuals and freedom and liberty will create it based on how competitive people are and what skills they posses.

As I said earlier, creative and hard working people should get the money based on their contributions to society - blame socialism and all the non-sense spewed by cultural Marxism like feminism for it. By your logic, Marie Curie shouldn't get any credit because she's a woman so she can't be creative or a good scientist.

The problem in the medical training is that the state pays for it so those women don't care since the cost of their education is socialized. People should pay their own education and then you would see them work to make the investment in their education be worthwhile. You can make the same argument about Blacks and their drop-out rate. And I agree with you about the business part - private business shouldn't be coerced into regulations created by idiotic bureaucrats who have no idea how business works.

Going back to the USSR and Nazi Germany thing. You shouldn't forget the state police officers who were seducing women and throw them in jail later either if you put it this way. And those accusations were made by both genders, just like the bullet was taken by the both genders. That was the point I was trying to make, in the moment in which you exclusively give good things to men and bad things to women.

What's amusing though is that your theory is the same as feminism, just that with the roles reversed. Somehow though, I actually don't extrapolate your behavior to all men and consider all men supremacists.

And the White-Black or whatever thing is the same as the gender issue. Planning things on it is idiotic group thinking. I actually showed you why Whites are superior to Blacks earlier in this thread, if you follow your logic consistently. You might not care about it since it removes the veil of your bigotism, but that's life.

Shame and fear in general are the ways to break the psyche of a person and this is why feminists use it. This is why shamed people "behave". When you talk about the hypocritical, disgusting nature of women, I think that you were looking in the mirror too, not only at feminists, since you exhibit exactly the same traits.

It is hilarious that you talk about bringing children up because in my family, my father was spoiling me while my mother was punishing me. And I have suffered certain things from men, but I don't extrapolate that behavior to all men. That's a logical fracture/fallacy. Obviously, in your ideology logic has no place.

And women aren't the ones causing the problems of the world. People in general are. Just compare the list of wars done by women and the ones done by men. Since by your logic, it's a gender thing.

It might be a hippy dream, but it's the way a society actually becomes the most successful - non discriminatory legislation. And yes, as long as people like you, feminists and so on will not be exposed for pathetic ideologues who have a sheer contempt for information, the "hippy dream" won't become reality.

Nash wasn't that healthy and yet he won the Nobel prize for his game theory - Nash equilibrium.

Meadester, I agree, judging individuals from collective point of views is stupid. I mean, you can observe group tendencies, but you can't make the claim that every individual in the said group has those tendencies.

You can start there. And I don't like any person who thinks like an idiot and you do think like one. I'm sorry if idiots are offended by this. I hope after the next two weeks, you will come up with some reasoning instead of keeping menstruating and cry around like a little boy who got his candy stolen."

I added this because you didn't answer it and started rambling near it, wasting your time anyway. lol

[TheDude]

This is chivalry.

I'd call it objectivity. You attacked meadster for agreeing with RV. Might he have possibly agreed because NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME ideas?

For example, rv is a libertarian, memberx is a libertarian, coffeecup is conservative (for example)... If rv posts a libertarian thought, and say "memberx" agrees with her, your knee-jerk (projected) response will be "you're only agreeing out of chivalry!!!!".

Could it be that "memberx" is agreeing because memberx is also a libertarian? Your blind immaturity and pendulum effect is making your mental filters so screwed up, you see everything through that prism.

I realize you might have been a pussy-beggar that had princesses use and abuse you, but you're now doing the opposite and overcompensating. Grow up.

I dont like her because of her ideas.

That's fine. Show me where you accuse someone of "chivalry" because they agreed with a man who had different ideas from you? You are using her gender as an additional factor, rather than just disagreeing. Show me where when you disagreed with men you used the same level of language? You don't just disagree with the ideas, you disagree and go "you women".

stop defending these women, you are encouraging them.

Grow up dude. Grow the freaking fruk up. We're all here for the same reason. We've all sensed what its like to live in a world where women are given free reign to destroy you if they wanted.

But we've all grown past it, and can distinguish what is societal influence, which are the bad women, who the feminazi are... Get out of that dark space. Stop acting like a child. Not all women are out to get you. Grow up. There is no conspiracy of women out there out to get cofeecup. Grow up!

There is no "these women". There is NO us. vs them. If you bought into that, than feminazi have you by the balls. If you believe there's a "them women", then you're officially still in the matrix. Get out.

[coffeecup248]

Why should I stop? I use the same arguments you use when you reach your conclusion that women should be under men. If you don't like the conclusion I get to using the same arguments, it isn't my fault. You either reject both, or accept both.

If the conclusion I reached isn't based on the same principles as your idea, then show me where it isn't the same and why. This is all it would take, but you can't because you are wrong.

holy shit. the problem is, you dont know when your argument becomes absurd. dont you understand that?

so because you cant recognise where to stop along the line of logic, you come to these misunderstandings.

you've got a barrel full of absurd arguments.

And if women pull the strings on men, then we should get credited with all the achievements of men because we led them there.

and this statement is your defining absurdity.

while its true that women create the competitive environment which promotes conditions for men to achieve, you cannot extrapolate to claim that women deserve recognition for the achievements of men, because women do not intentionally make mens lives a misery to push the species forward, rather, they make mens lives a misery because women are selfish and morally ugly creatures, to the point men would rather be anywhere other than at home with their wives.

at work, for instance, achieving things.

[RebelliousVanilla]

Actually, I'm using YOUR arguments. And yes, they are absurd. And you yet again ignored the whole thing because of your abysmal failure of refuting anything.

[coffeecup248]

Actually, I'm using YOUR arguments. And yes, they are absurd. And you yet again ignored the whole thing because of your abysmal failure of refuting anything.

They are not my arguments when you take them to absurd extremes. they become your nonsensical arguments, because you dont know where to draw the line.

I've wasted enough time and effort on you.

conversation over.

[RebelliousVanilla]

They are not my arguments when you take them to absurd extremes. they become your nonsensical arguments, because you dont know where to draw the line.

I've wasted enough time and effort on you.

conversation over.

They are your arguments. I just substituted gender with race.

[Meadester]

They are not my arguments when you take them to absurd extremes. they become your nonsensical arguments, because you dont know where to draw the line.

I've wasted enough time and effort on you.

conversation over.

You say that it is different to argue for white supremacy on the same basis that you argue for male supremacy but you don't say why. I have re-read your post #44 and found it full of assertions but mostly devoid of facts. one of the few facts you have stated this entire thread is that men historically have achieved more than women and you don't say why such a generalization should apply to sex and not race, class, or any other broad category. Besides that your only "facts" are blaming women for things both men and women did like report people to the Nazis, or crediting men with things both men and women did like risk their lives to defy the Nazis and the Soviets. Of course combat deaths have fallen more heavily on men and that may be worth changing but that's the subject of another thread and it is not entirely the fault of women but a result of societal conditions that men and women agreed to throughout most of history.

You and the radical feminists are a mirror image of each other. You play off each other like White Supremacists and violent Black Nationalists, like Israeli extremists and Palestinian terrorists or like the IRA and its Protestant counterparts. What you, like the members of these groups, fail to realize is that, outside of the obvious superficial differences, you and your enemies are exactly the same.

[Percy]

Coffecup could use some of that mistletoe I mentioned.

[Daveyone]

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