Pining for the Dark Ages........

[Zuberi]

It is thoughtless but it does happen. So basically you believe that everyone should hold the door open for the person behind them out of curteousy?

Any fool can hold the door for somebody but being expected to open the door because of your gender?
Don't bet on it!

[Popadibs]

Any fool can hold the door for somebody but being expected to open the door because of your gender?
Don't bet on it!

Well, if they expect the door to be open because they were men and she's a pregnant woman carrying bags then I think it's wrong on their part but if they expect anyone and everyone to hold the door open for anyone who's in just as vunerable of a position then I'd say they aren't wrong for thinking that.

It's just hard to know if they are upset because these are men or if they're upset because the door was slammed... it's hard for me to be convinced that their gender plays no role...

[julie]

I think it was presented to us as:

Rude men slam door on pregnant woman.

Garak, would you have put an 8 month pregnant woman on her ass to make a statement against feminism? I don't think you would do such a thing. Neither would I.

That's why I think it was rude.

For the audience (Garak I don't want to challenge you because I don't believe you would do this) Correct me if I am wrong.

What would have happened if an 8 month pregnant women was injured? Her tummy was the first part that would have been hit. It wasn't her that was hurt but the baby and by her carrying the baby she was flung. If she had not been pregnant and thin she would have calculated the distance between her body and their body.

My God, she took that so well. She is really, really nice about this. I would have been worried that my unborn baby who did not do anything to these men was put on the line of life and death. I would have freaked for at least a few days over the impact. And I bet she has been freaking and that maybe she just spoke to us as a way to cope with this. That may be untrue but I could have done so.

And then I would have condemned both sides. (which I already have, lol)
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Men who don't like feminism seem to go all out to say women shouldn't abort a baby and yet they are all cool to say, "We don't care if we kill an unborn baby ourselves".

Hypocritical thinking gentlemen. A stand can't compromise another stand. It goes against the rules of a stand. SEE, everyone is full of shit. Everyone is all about themselves. ME, ME, ME.

[Popadibs]

Garak, would you have put an 8 month pregnant woman on her ass to make a statement against feminism? I don't think you would do such a thing. Neither would I.

That's why I think it was rude.

For the audience (Garak I don't want to challenge you because I don't believe you would do this) Correct me if I am wrong.

What would have happened if an 8 month pregnant women was injured? Her tummy was the first part that would have been hit. It wasn't her that was hurt but the baby and by her carrying the baby she was flung. If she had not been pregnant and thin she would have calculated the distance between her body and their body.

My God, she took that so well. She is really, really nice about this. I would have been worried that my unborn baby who did not do anything to these men was put on the line of life and death. I would have freaked for at least a few days over the impact. And I bet she has been freaking and that maybe she just spoke to us as a way to cope with this. That may be untrue but I could have done so.

And then I would have condemned both sides. (which I already have, lol)
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Men who don't like feminism seem to go all out to say women shouldn't abort a baby and yet they are all cool to say, "We don't care if we kill an unborn baby ourselves".

Hypocritical thinking gentlemen. A stand can't compromise another stand. It goes against the rules of a stand. SEE, everyone is full of shit. Everyone is all about themselves. ME, ME, ME.

I went back and searched it to read it again.

While the two grown men who lat the door slammed on me are obviously poisoned by the big ,bad ,rude feminist monster....... but should I no longer expect that the door be held open for me? Why on earth would women want to create a system in which chivalry is no longer ? I have been told by other women that I am capable of opening my own door, changing my own tire, etc...... all by myself and shouldn't rely on a man to do it. The fact that I am appreciative of it seems to annoy women, does it annoy you men?

Thanks to all you guys out there who are still gentlemen, us ladies appreciate it!

~Megan

This has everything to do with the fact that these were men. There was more talk about chivalry in this post than her unborn child. Chivalry was her concern.

[Zuberi]

Well, if they expect the door to be open because they were men and she's a pregnant woman carrying bags then I think it's wrong on their part but if they expect anyone and everyone to hold the door open for anyone who's in just as vunerable of a position then I'd say they aren't wrong for thinking that.

It's just hard to know if they are upset because these are men or if they're upset because the door was slammed... it's hard for me to be convinced that their gender plays no role...

If you expect someone to open a door for you because of your gender, you are a damn fool!

If some women gets upset because a man doesn't open a door for her, TOUGH SHIT!
She'll get over it!
Now, I wouldn't have any problem opening a door for a cripple!

[julie]

I went back and searched it to read it again.

This has everything to do with the fact that these were men. There was more talk about chivalry in this post than her unborn child. Chivalry was her concern.

You are gorgeous. I won't teach you about the differences because it is not the right thing to do in a gender war.

Just stand for men!!! That's what the feminists did (stand for women) and they didn't care how it affected the general population of men so I don't expect the men in the MRM to care about the general population of women.

[Popadibs]

You are gorgeous. I won't teach you about the differences because it is not the right thing to do in a gender war.

Just stand for men!!! That's what the feminists did (stand for women) and they didn't care how it affected the general population of men so I don't expect the men in the MRM to care about the general population of women.

No, the fact is it should not have mattered that they were men in the first place. It should have been mentioned just to get an idea for what happened, however, the fact that they were men should not have made a difference but since it does it is all about chivalry.

Chivalry has nothing to do with whether a woman is pregnant or carrying something. The fact that she was pregnant is just a vehicle to elicit emotion. The poster makes it clear in the first post that she expected the door to be held open for her because they were men and she's a woman so it was all about chivalry.

[julie]

No, the fact is it should not have mattered that they were men in the first place. It should have been mentioned just to get an idea for what happened, however, the fact that they were men should not have made a difference but since it does it is all about chivalry.

Well.... blah, blah, blah, blah. from me.

And seeing it from your side I can understand that you were just answering a question from the words that were put in front of you. I understand this.

Chivalry has nothing to do with whether a woman is pregnant or carrying something.

I argee. It is just good manners to open the door for someone carrying something heavy or pregnant.

The fact that she was pregnant is just a vehicle to elicit emotion.

Please don't ever say that. I have 2 young men that I dealt with recently when their young girlfriends were 8 months pregnant. I won't tell you what they did to them because it isn't MRM positive building. But I will say, "women at 8 months pregnant are not in control of thier emotions. Their hormones take over."

Mind you our lovely housewife superstar is an exception to the emotion overboard if you ask me.

The poster makes it clear in the first post that she expected the door to be held open for her because they were men and she's a woman so it was all about chivalry.

Hmmm, I suppose she did expect it. I would have to.

[Kim]

Good Afternoon All:

This is a story about something that happened a few weeks ago while I was out shopping for my middle son's birthday present and I thought maybe some of you would have an opinion:

I was carrying my purse and a large bag and headed for the exit to the mall. It was a side door and so it wasn't the kind that automatically opens for you. By the way, I am now 8 months pregnant and at the time of the incident I was as big as I am now....... a short, small framed lady with a HUGE, obviously pregnant belly.

So, there were two men in front of me going out the door and I know they saw me because they commented on the weather and the fact that I wasn't wearing a jacket.

These guys were probably my age, early 30's. They walked thru the door, and knowing I am right behind them, let the heavy door slam right on me and they kept walking. It knocked me right on my butt infront of everyone. I wasn't hurt, but man was I embarrassed!

The cute part of the story is that there were two teenage boys playing in the arcade whose glass front was exposed to the exit door and they came running out to help me up and wanted to carry my bag to my car. One of them said he wouldn't want his pregnant mom to get knocked over b/c someone was rude. So , yay for them.

While the two grown men who lat the door slammed on me are obviously poisoned by the big ,bad ,rude feminist monster....... but should I no longer expect that the door be held open for me? Why on earth would women want to create a system in which chivalry is no longer ? I have been told by other women that I am capable of opening my own door, changing my own tire, etc...... all by myself and shouldn't rely on a man to do it. The fact that I am appreciative of it seems to annoy women, does it annoy you men?

Thanks to all you guys out there who are still gentlemen, us ladies appreciate it!

~Megan

I'm sorry you fell, Megan, and I agree with you, they should have held the door for you...but I think the reason you've given is incorrect. They should not have held the door because of chivalry, they should have held it because it was the decent, courteous thing to do. Had it been two women instead of two men, they also should have held the door for you; again, not because of chivalry but because of common courtesy.

I make a point of holding the door for anyone behind me. I just consider it good manners. And while I don't simply assume everyone is going to show the same level of courtesy, I find it unfortunate when they don't.

There's a significant lack of common courtesy today. I've taught my children to hold the door for people and there've been several instances of my children rushing to hold the door open for adults only to watch the adults (men and women) walk through without a glance, smile or single word of thanks.

[Yan Yan]

Thanks to all you guys out there who are still gentlemen, us ladies appreciate it!

Sir Galahad's first law of chivalry:

In any given group the number of "gentlemen" is directly proportional to the number of "ladies".

[Dylan MacVillain]

Sir Galahad's first law of chivalry:

In any given group the number of "gentlemen" is directly proportional to the number of "ladies".

And where, oh where, my friend, have all the ladies gone? I guess they are too busy trying to act like men.

[Incognito]

I'm sorry you fell, Megan, and I agree with you, they should have held the door for you...but I think the reason you've given is incorrect. They should not have held the door because of chivalry, they should have held it because it was the decent, courteous thing to do. Had it been two women instead of two men, they also should have held the door for you; again, not because of chivalry but because of common courtesy.

I make a point of holding the door for anyone behind me. I just consider it good manners. And while I don't simply assume everyone is going to show the same level of courtesy, I find it unfortunate when they don't.

There's a significant lack of common courtesy today. I've taught my children to hold the door for people and there've been several instances of my children rushing to hold the door open for adults only to watch the adults (men and women) walk through without a glance, smile or single word of thanks.

This post, I can relate to.

[Percy]

This post, I can relate to.

I can too.

With my previous provisos still standing.

I am generally a courteous fellow and live with the constant disappointment with women, which is something that neither Kim nor Tera have to do in quite the same way. But I do acknowledge that you two can be disappointed with your sisters' behaviours as they reflect upon your gender.

I also get very annoyed with yobbo men.

[coffeecup248]

Julie, what you and your sisters need to understand is, that when you fuck my brothers over individually, continuesly, you condition the whole male group. and to condition the whole male group, means doing it many many times, because males are individuals, we dont just accept something that happens once and say thats typical behaviour, we go for years and years before wiseing up, thats why its taken 50 years for this backlash, but when it comes properly, watch the fuck out.