MRA's, Patriarchs and Gay Marriage

[Lester Burnham]

Sniff Sniff - Awww, snookums wittle feewings is hurt.

And like (the Roman Lawyer) Cicero, the best he can come up with is "When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff."

Regadless - your thread is a Lame attempt to push Homosex Misandry under an innocuous guise of standing up to 'feminism"... Ahem.

The Big Issues relating to the Attack on Men and Boys via Mandatory Pandering to the Coprophile Cult of Feces Focused Homo-Anal perversions and related depraved homosex deviants, are being deliberately ignored in your thread - apparently on purpose, in order to push the Radical Homosex Agenda, hence you do come across (whether actually true or not) as a Homo-Anal Stalking Horse for Dyke Hatemongers...

The attempts to turn Normal Heterosexual Men against Normal Heterosexual Women - in order to satisfy the Hate Driven Bigotry of Radical Homosex Misandrists (and drive more recruits in to the Dyke / Coprophile camps) - is just one of the standard dirty tricks in the filthy bag of hatemongering that is their playbook

Sorry if the image in the mirror is too harsh for you, maybe you could take your trusty mop handle (ewwww) to the glass and show it who is boss.

Ohso

BTW - - there is Already a thread on this board which has considerable background information about the topic - Radical Homosex Attack on Marriage ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page), and there are no mop up jobs in operation there.

Well, God bless your pointed little head, you are improving! I take note that you have heeded my admonishment and foregone the grade school use of enlarged, emboldened and over punctuated text. Though I still must point out that "homosex" isn't a real word, and that the obsessive references to matters both fecal and anal could be more than adolescent fascination.

But fret not, the name of the game is progress, not perfection. And you are coming along, albeit slowly.

As to this: "When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff."

I must note that it usually takes even feminists more than two posts to launch the "Oh, poor me, I am being abused," fallback as a diversion for their lack of substance, if not, intelligence.

For your link, feel free to go there and copy and paste something cogent here if you like, since such communications apparently cannot come from your own mind. Sans the whining and questionable mention of anal sex, if you please. I'll be happy to respond to it directly, though the more you use proper English, even the queens, the better target you will make.

If that is too much for you, feel free to come back here whining and playing victim some more. You will just keep getting bitch slapped for your troubles. But alas, it seems to be a slap that you both yearn for, and that fits your identity.

[haahoo]

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You see, I believe in Marriage.

Yes, I know. I am not a one to talk it up, having been through two.

I have been through 3, and I often talk of what marraige aught to be and the reasons they fail..

There are things some folk cant do much about because they don't have the power to...



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Feminazism.

The Marxist State religion.

The opium of the masses that has turned minds to mush.

MRAs are not just Patriarchists. Some old nutters and young seem to want to be, but I want MEN of Integrity and Authenticity.

I agree with your take on feminazi's but there is no reason why Patriarchs cannot be regarded as men of Integrity and Authenticity. In fact, I see them as more likely to be this than those "men" who think they are the same as women.. That is the greatest big lie, and the great lie foisted upon the masses by the marxist state religion..

And I want women ofthe same calibre.

Women are different to men so expectations have to be appropriate in this area.. Women have some very disruptive things to deal with as women, period, childbirth, etc..

We cannot go back to the old unhealthy form of male-exploitative marriage but the paradigm of Two People Joined as One is essential.

Spoken like a true follower of the marxist state ideals.. I am sure you did not mean to come across in this way.. But the assumption that marraige was an exploitation of women prior to the femistate getting their interfering family-wrecking way is another of the big lies..

There is nothing "essential" about "two people" joined as one.. The joining of a man and a woman in matrimony is perhaps a pretty important feature of the "best" family style for society though..

This allows for the best features of both genders to shine best, in a synergistic way.. Much as the state seeks to prevent this from being the case..

Marriage was never perfect and feminism showed up the fault lines, shoved a rock-splitter in and hammered it to pieces. But it was a means for men and women to create a safe and wholesome place to raising children in Love and care. If they tried hard.

Many were and are successful.

Feminists wrecked marraige randomly by declaring fault lines were none existed.. Good marraiges were attacked in the same way as "bad" ones..

Every marraige was deemed by default to be "abusive" to women..

Men foolishly accepted the word of the harridens..

I do not seek the restoration of the old and misused form, but as an MRA I want to see a restoration of the good parts, the paradigm structure, in a newer and updated Marriage form.

Anything that denies gender differences is doomed to failure. The social engineers are working on a ridiculous assumption of gender hermophradism..

For men and women and children and families, together.

I care not that some sodomites want to bugger one another with State blessing.

Their personal business is their personal business, but to say it does not affect the the reputation of real marital relations when it classed the same is to turn a blind eye to the real way that marraige has been reduced to nothing more than a declaration of a formal relationship for state purposes..

I care not that some lesbians want to with diddle one another's clefts and shove plastic penises into each other instead of real ones, and call upon their freinds to watch and cheer.

Two women cannot be man and wife no more than two men can be..

A "civil union" is NOT a marraige!

I care not that they all beat each other senseless after either.

Hmm!

I totally agreee with most of your points about the State and the fatuous, hypocritical talking heads pontificating on matters that they have proven themselves incompetent about. Whatever the colour of their political plumage.

But there is a strong movement within the MRM for Marriage as it could become. David Usher is a spear-carrier for it and I admire the fact that he has bitten off a huge chunk and is chewing like hell.
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What does this man promote?

Where is the link that would detail it?

[RebelliousVanilla]

haahoo, I think Percy said that marriage exploited men. lol

[haahoo]

haahoo, I think Percy said that marriage exploited men. lol

That interpretation of "male-exploitative" does not make any sense..

I was thinking that the term was used to describe males benefitting by exploiting females.. The "traditional" feminist take on marraige..

To state that an arrangement that a man would traditionally, of his own free will, VOLUNTEER on bended knee to enter would exploit men, is, ridiculous..

[Ohso]

Sophomoric Sophistry in place of intellectual discourse is usually the only 'content' found when Radical Homosex Propagandists infiltrate Men's Boards with their bait and switch Misandry.

Consider the current scam: Marriage to Women = Ungood, hence we must promote the Coprophile Cult of Homo-Anal Perversions in response...

Just try a simple word substitution for the hollow farce of Homosex Propaganda, and see how much sense it makes then... Marriage to Women = Ungood, hence we must promote Assisted Suicide in response...

In the end, the post is not about 'Marriage' at all, that is just the
Bait- to get the clueless to read a rant about Pandering to Radical Homosex Hate Propaganda...

Which in the current climate of Homosex Disease Transmission is only somewhat akin to assisted suicide.

Which in turn has nothing to do with Marriage (between a Man - XY and a Woman - XX), but everything to do with Spreading MISANDRY - Radical Homosex Style.

Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

[haahoo]

Sophomoric Sophistry in place of intellectual discourse is usually the only 'content' found when Radical Homosex Propagandists infiltrate Men's Boards with their bait and switch Misandry.

Consider the current scam: Marriage to Women = Ungood, hence we must promote the Coprophile Cult of Homo-Anal Perversions in response...

Just try a simple word substitution for the hollow farce of Homosex Propaganda, and see how much sense it makes then... Marriage to Women = Ungood, hence we must promote Assisted Suicide in response...

In the end, the post is not about 'Marriage' at all, that is just the
Bait- to get the clueless to read a rant about Pandering to Radical Homosex Hate Propaganda...

Which in the current climate of Homosex Disease Transmission is only somewhat akin to assisted suicide.

Which in turn has nothing to do with Marriage (between a Man - XY and a Woman - XX), but everything to do with Spreading MISANDRY - Radical Homosex Style.

Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

This is the sort of gobblegook that does absolutely nothing to further your agenda even if there is a solid basis to it..

[rohara]

There are some things that I would like to add to this debate but first I would like to state what is a readily observable fact:
People who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex they are were born that way. They did not succum to a radical ideology or had their minds perverted by some bad influence. Sexuality is biological in nature and is as natural as breathing.
Having said that I do not understand why, with the exception of receiving health benefits, anybody would want to enter into a marriage contract. It is just a dumb idea all around. Having said that as well, I would also like to say that if two fags or dykes want to shack up together and make it "official" than let them do it. It does not affect me in the least and anyone who would make an issue out of something so silly is simply wasting their time.

[Kim]

haahoo, I think Percy said that marriage exploited men. lol

I'd be willing to bet that the exploitation Percy referred to was that of men, not of women.

The necessary requirements for marriage are two people who are completely dedicated to and wholly invested in the success and welfare of their marriage and family. Unfortunately, the number of people who possess the sufficient integrity, altruism and character necessary to establish and maintain successful marriages is severely limited.

Marriage is a beautiful, wonderful institution. It is vastly superior to any other environment for the raising and nurturing of children. Anything less than a home with a mother and father who love each other and who are dedicated to their marriage and family is less than ideal. The bringing forth and nurturing of life is not some paltry affair that should be undertaken with anything less than the very best we can give.

That marriage has been desecrated and all but destroyed is inarguable, but to let those that would destroy something beautiful, vital and necessary be the ones to define it is ridiculous. For myself, I will hold dear and fight for what I consider sacred, not wipe my hands of it because of those that lacked the knowledge or depth to understand and appreciate it; nor for those who hate, despise and wish to destroy it.

[Lester Burnham]

I'd be willing to bet that the exploitation Percy referred to was that of men, not of women.

The necessary requirements for marriage are two people who are completely dedicated to and wholly invested in the success and welfare of their marriage and family. Unfortunately, the number of people who possess the sufficient integrity, altruism and character necessary to establish and maintain successful marriages is severely limited.

Marriage is a beautiful, wonderful institution. It is vastly superior to any other environment for the raising and nurturing of children. Anything less than a home with a mother and father who love each other and who are dedicated to their marriage and family is less than ideal. The bringing forth and nurturing of life is not some paltry affair that should be undertaken with anything less than the very best we can give.

That marriage has been desecrated and all but destroyed is inarguable, but to let those that would destroy something beautiful, vital and necessary be the ones to define it is ridiculous. For myself, I will hold dear and fight for what I consider sacred, not wipe my hands of it because of those that lacked the knowledge or depth to understand and appreciate it; nor for those who hate, despise and wish to destroy it.

Here's the rub, Kim, and I take your good words as wise counsel. But what are we to do? I mean, seriously. You speak, I assume, as a woman who is fortunate enough to experience marriage in the ideal it was intended to be.

But as you clearly seem to know, what you have is not what awaits most people when they take that plunge. For many, especially for men, marriage is the doorway to being pillaged and jailed. How do we honor your experience with marriage and deal honestly with the realities that others face?

I know I am not smart enough to have the answer to that one, but I will say that loving, committed family life will always be there for those who would choose it and live it, regardless of what anyone else does or doesn't do.

[Kim]

Here's the rub, Kim, and I take your good words as wise counsel. But what are we to do? I mean, seriously. You speak, I assume, as a woman who is fortunate enough to experience marriage in the ideal it was intended to be.

But as you clearly seem to know, what you have is not what awaits most people when they take that plunge. For many, especially for men, marriage is the doorway to being pillaged and jailed. How do we honor your experience with marriage and deal honestly with the realities that others face?

I know I am not smart enough to have the answer to that one, but I will say that loving, committed family life will always be there for those who would choose it and live it, regardless of what anyone else does or doesn't do.

I know exactly what you mean, Lester. The fact is, marriage, for men, has become, potentially, the single most self-destructive thing they can do. I understand the need to abstain from something that can destroy you. Even if a man find a woman he loves, who is honest, true and decent, she still maintains the ability to destroy him should the marriage fail.

The answer, for me, is treating the anti-marriage forces the same way I treat those that are anti-life, anti-family, anti-father, anti-men......The odds are stacked against men in fatherhood in much the same way they are against men in marriage. Is the answer for men to side with those who would deny them their parental rights and support the destruction of fatherhood? I'm not suggesting men get married.....but to join in with the denigrators is not the answer, either.

I will denounce the laws, the lawyers, the judges, the lawmakers.....for the evil they have done in their attempts to destroy men, marriage and families. I will decry the abominable, self-serving behaviors of women who are willing to destroy their husbands, marriages and families. I will fight for marriage. I will call what is wrong, wrong. I will defend marriage because marriage is worth defending.

[rohara]

I know exactly what you mean, Lester. The fact is, marriage, for men, has become, potentially, the single most self-destructive thing they can do. I understand the need to abstain from something that can destroy you. Even if a man find a woman he loves, who is honest, true and decent, she still maintains the ability to destroy him should the marriage fail.

The answer, for me, is treating the anti-marriage forces the same way I treat those that are anti-life, anti-family, anti-father, anti-men......The odds are stacked against men in fatherhood in much the same way they are against men in marriage. Is the answer for men to side with those who would deny them their parental rights and support the destruction of fatherhood? I'm not suggesting men get married.....but to join in with the denigrators is not the answer, either.

I will denounce the laws, the lawyers, the judges, the lawmakers.....for the evil they have done in their attempts to destroy men, marriage and families. I will decry the abominable, self-serving behaviors of women who are willing to destroy their husbands, marriages and families. I will fight for marriage. I will call what is wrong, wrong. I will defend marriage because marriage is worth defending.

I truly admire and respect both your and Percy's idealization of the institution of marriage. However, I must say that I am with Lester 10O% on this one.
The concept of marriage as you and Percy describe it, and I am not calling you naive, is gone and has been for some time. You are talking about an institution that has been so decomposed that it isn't even worth defending anymore. I hate to put it that way but it is true.
The only thing that men can hope for now if they want to have kids is to politically secure a means of having a meaningful relationship with them regardless of what women think or do. We just can’t depend on the institution of marriage any more to secure our rights.
I am 38 now and have never been married and never will. NO NO NO! I am not getting into that trap. I would like for nothing better than to find someone to share my life with and have children with but marriage is just not going to be part of the equation. When I tell people this they look at me with a kind of sympathy that I find quite condescending. But seriously, I am better off than they are.
I must say that I am truly envious of your husband for having a woman like you, but I am not going to waste a single moment of my life searching for something that is almost impossible to find. I have too much I want to do.

[haahoo]

There are some things that I would like to add to this debate but first I would like to state what is a readily observable fact:
People who are sexually attracted to members of the same sex they are were born that way. They did not succum to a radical ideology or had their minds perverted by some bad influence. Sexuality is biological in nature and is as natural as breathing.

This is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. There is much evidence that shows that the "gay" lifestyle is at least as much about manipulation of folk by those who have a vested interest in persuading them to go that way as it is about about any "natural inclination" they may have..

Having said that I do not understand why, with the exception of receiving health benefits, anybody would want to enter into a marriage contract. It is just a dumb idea all around. Having said that as well, I would also like to say that if two fags or dykes want to shack up together and make it "official" than let them do it. It does not affect me in the least and anyone who would make an issue out of something so silly is simply wasting their time.

It is niave to think that by offerring state "help" to folk who would otherwise not get it that it does not impact on others who are looking to get help from the same pool..

[haahoo]

I will denounce the laws, the lawyers, the judges, the lawmakers.....for the evil they have done in their attempts to destroy men, marriage and families. I will decry the abominable, self-serving behaviors of women who are willing to destroy their husbands, marriages and families. I will fight for marriage. I will call what is wrong, wrong. I will defend marriage because marriage is worth defending.

Do you think that gay marraige has any impact on proper marraige?

[haahoo]

[/FONT][/COLOR]The only thing that men can hope for now if they want to have kids is to politically secure a means of having a meaningful relationship with them regardless of what women think or do. We just can’t depend on the institution of marriage any more to secure our rights.

Aking the state destroyers of marraige and family to provide you with a means to have a "meaningful" relationship with your kids is rather like asking a family of cockroaches to decide how to to share the cornflakes..

[Kim]

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I truly admire and respect both your and Percy's idealization of the institution of marriage. However, I must say that I am with Lester 10O% on this one.
The concept of marriage as you and Percy describe it, and I am not calling you naive, is gone and has been for some time. You are talking about an institution that has been so decomposed that it isn't even worth defending anymore. I hate to put it that way but it is true.
The only thing that men can hope for now if they want to have kids is to politically secure a means of having a meaningful relationship with them regardless of what women think or do. We just can’t depend on the institution of marriage any more to secure our rights.
I am 38 now and have never been married and never will. NO NO NO! I am not getting into that trap. I would like for nothing better than to find someone to share my life with and have children with but marriage is just not going to be part of the equation. When I tell people this they look at me with a kind of sympathy that I find quite condescending. But seriously, I am better off than they are.
I must say that I am truly envious of your husband for having a woman like you, but I am not going to waste a single moment of my life searching for something that is almost impossible to find. I have too much I want to do.

There are not only two options, Rohara.....get married or join the state and feminists in the destruction of marriage. I wouldn't urge any man to get married in the current clime. That's not the point. Society is in decay. The destruction of marriage and family is paramount to that decline. The answer isn't to end marriage but to fight to change all that's destroying it. Men should be able to get married. They should be able to have homes, spouses, families and children without seeing it all ripped away from them and their lives destroyed.