Adensdad on "feminism"

[bababob]

AdensDad quote from last post:

"Really?

BENJI:'So even though the masco-mccarthyists in this site are going to chant "feminist! feminist! burn him" over and over and likely make this thread full of as much intelligent discussion as an episode of Jerry Springer'

I called that one pretty darn well I would say."


Again, argumentum ad circularum, begging the question, self-fulfilling prophecy. All you just did was remind us that you anticipated stupid, crass, play-to-the-lowest-common-denominator (i.e., Jerry Springer)
discussion from us. A truly intelligent (and mature) person anticipating this type of reaction would not have bothered to provoke it in the first place.

BTW, you did not give proof of anything regarding the feminist website.
You revealed the fact that you apparently left a lasting negative impression on them, BEFORE gracing us with your munificence!!!
(And you're obviously PROUD of it!) PPPPFFFFTTTTT!!!!

[Male-Rights-Network]

it's just that femmies never got round to it. I think you believe that a truly egalitarian society re men and women is possible. Again, it's not the case.

I guess you're wasting your time with MRAism then.

I am egalitarian. If I can be such so can everyone.

No you are a feminist. Because feminism is based on a half-hearted belief in "egalitarianism".

Feminism is the movement which cries out and declares that it is "egalitarian" the most, of all the political movements.

Masculinity (as masculinism) should be objective and practical. For this reason, anyone who is a masculinist or MRA should reject any form of egalitarianism between the sexes.

To encourage egalitarianism is to support a fallacy and an impossibility. Feminists have no problem incorporating fallacies into their movement - such is the way it has been from day one. Masculinists however should aim to base their ideas in objective reality.

Equality between the sexes is impossible because the sexes are fundamentally different and it is not possible to please both groups at the same time. Feminists at the core of it are well aware of this - however for political purposes they declare themselves "egalitarians". They pretend. Masculinists, I would hope, give up this charade and just accept that egalitarianism is an impossible ideal.

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MRAism is in its infancy and it's not realistic for one spokesman to come forward and explain its core tenets. However, defining it as "egalitarianism" seems to be very far from what MRAism is even at this stage, and what it will evolve to in the future.

BTW I have moved beyond pointless dictionary definitions at this stage, and am debating feminism as it is. I do likewise with feminists - be they journalists, academics, or whatever. I'm not going to give legitimacy to the fallacy that is the dictionary definition of "feminism".

The moment they mention that non-representative sanitised Collins' Dictionary definition is the moment I am not following them down the rabbit hole any longer. In nearly all cases, resorting to the "dictionary definition" shows desperation on their part, and they are usually being defeating in rational argument when they invoke it.

Stop calling yourself an MRA because misogynists like you make the rest of us look bad.

You are in especially no position to dictate who is, and who is not, to be called an MRA.

[bababob]

I have yet to make a comment in this thread about every member of the site. The fact that you interpret my comments to be attacks on everyone is your problem.

No ... my problem is this; I wrote the following:

"Now you are calling a member of antimisandry.com a misogynist."

That's "a member" ... not all members.

[Male-Rights-Network]

I am also unimpressed by your use of the feminist term "gender".

I am unimpressed with your use of the sexist term "sex."

You are a politically correct leftist feminist. Simple as. Your response to my statement above has proven it to me.

You don't belong on these, or any other MRA forums, and you know it. You belong among your feminist peers deriding the Patriarchy and discussing feminist fallacies such as "gender" and "equality".

You hear that? You don't belong here.

Ze game is up!

[bababob]

You are a politically correct leftist feminist. Simple as. Your response to my statement above has proven it to me.

You don't belong on these, or any other MRA forums, and you know it. You belong among your feminist peers deriding the Patriarchy and discussing feminist fallacies such as "gender" and "equality".

You hear that? You don't belong here.

Ze game is up!

Hit the bricks! You're busted! We should have known Benji (A Walt Disney Dog) was an alias.

[themanonthestreet]

You know what AdensMom? You're starting to piss me off. Marx may not be inclined to censor or boot your fucking ass.. but I aint got the Censorman tag for nothing.

Keep this fucking shit up and I shall live up to my name.....


Ahhhhh booze is your friend!

TMOTS

[AdensDad]

Yeah, we see how well that went too.

Well, both threads are great because both have given me a chance to point out some erroneous mentalities of SOME of the members of this site and encouraged SOME of them to engage in a debate with me that none of them (of theSOME with erroneous mentalities) have a chance of winning.

But I would prefer to discuss topics of my own choosing, when I choose to discuss them. If you will also notice in the opening post of this thread I stated that I hesitated a great deal of time before deciding to express my views on what you call "feminism."

The "adensdad intro" thread is a mandatory thread created as part of the forum registration procedure. I did not decide to start it.

As far as "joining the site in order to express disdain for masculinists" goes, I joined the site because it was called antimisandry.com. If I falsely concluded that the site was about anti-misandry instead of masculinism I apologize.

[AdensDad]

I haven't been banned from there, I MUST be a nutjob because a PC talking, feminist minded, ultra intelligent (self proclaimed), socialist voting person says so.

I'm a libertarian. I'm just very anti-conservative. I vote libertarian for everything but the presidency. Last time I voted for a libertarian for president I had to sit and watch Bush and realize that I was sort of responsible for that texas pile of crap being president.

[AdensDad]

You know what AdensMom? You're starting to piss me off. Marx may not be inclined to censor or boot your fucking ass.. but I aint got the Censorman tag for nothing.

Keep this fucking shit up and I shall live up to my name.....


Ahhhhh booze is your friend!

TMOTS

Sorry, I wasn't aware that disagreeing with you was against the rules. If I have broken a different rule you'll have to point that out to me.

[haahoo]

All of my positions are not unorthodox, but some are. If you will notice my discussion of "realdolls" did not require a long rhetorical post because the belief is more common. My more uncommon beliefs required long explanations that most people did not understand. I'm not talking about who people are or what they are here. I think that confusion is the reason so many of you are misinterpreting that element of this thread as arrogant. Some arguments are more difficult to explain and difficult for people to comprehend than others, it has nothing to do with who those people are.

I think it has..

Some folk cant imagine how, for example, you can say that it is better for parents to live apart than live together..

I can imagine that, and even agree that under certain circumstances, it MAY be the case, but, there are overheads involved and factors involved that would not make it true in the majority of cases..

Unless of course SOCIAL ENGINEERING was applied upon the masses..

Which, is perhaps how things are going..

Maybe, frighteningly, how things now ARE..

[haahoo]

I don't have a "realdoll," I just want one.

They do have a certain appeal, I have to say!!

[haahoo]

I dont like the labelling stuff, never have really, but the simple concept of misandry or misandery if you prefer (even though its swpelt wong!) is easy enough for us all to grasp..

What is a feminist?

What is a masculist?

What is a sexy woman?

All these things are no "Defined" by one text, but we all have our own idea of what it is..

Their is almost as much plastic and silicon in a "real" woman as in a real doll these days!!

And certainly, a lot more stress and expense!!

[AdensDad]

You are a politically correct leftist feminist. Simple as. Your response to my statement above has proven it to me.

You don't belong on these, or any other MRA forums, and you know it. You belong among your feminist peers deriding the Patriarchy and discussing feminist fallacies such as "gender" and "equality".

You hear that? You don't belong here.

Ze game is up!

Well, let me tell you what I stand for...

I stand for gender equality in the family court. Men and women who divorce or split should each get their children equal time w/o support. Child support should only be implemented if a parent refuses to take care of the child equal time or refuses to move near the other parent. I believe a parent's equal time custody rights can only be eliminated as part of a criminal verdict or if one parent refuses to move near the other parent. Child support, when appropriate should be only the amount appropriate for taking care of the child and not the child and the other parent.

I stand for married couples to be granted the right to divorce their spouses whenever they wish, for whatever reason they wish. I stand for the raping of a spouse to be a crime. I stand for the beating of a spouse to be a crime. This includes the 4% of men who beat their partners and the 5% of women who do. I stand for the elimination of alimony.

I stand for the elimination of the term "spousal emotional abuse." An adult cannot "emotionally abuse" another adult. If someone doesn't like being called a "fat pig" or a "bitch" that person can leave. Only children, who don't have the option of leaving can be "emotionally" or "verbally abused"- adults cannot.

I stand for the elimination of gender specific human aid organizations like WIC and "the women's resource center." Gender is a group of physical characteristics like any other physical characteristics and should be treated as such by schools, public buildings and government organizations.

I stand for the elimination of gender specific sports teams in schools. High schools should have a list of teams- team A, team B, team C- and so on. If girls are good enough to be on the A basketball team, they can be on it. Formation of sports teams should have nothing to do with gender.

I stand for the elimination of gender specific restrooms, which are provided based upon the erroneous belief that all men are perverts.

I stand for equal prosecution for female and male sex offenders.

I stand for equal prosecution for female and male criminals of all kinds. I stand for the moral criticism of newspapers who like to imply that a woman is mentally ill every time one commits a crime.

I stand for the elimination of dress code double standards. Men should not be denied from working a job if they have long hair if the business hires women with long hair. Any place men are allowed to go shirtless should be a place women are allowed to go shirtless. Boys should be allowed to wear skirts to school if they feel like it if girls are allowed to.

I stand for the moral criticism of television programs and commercials which constantly bombard the public with depictions of dumb men and smart women. I stand for the moral criticism of female oriented shows like Oprah, Dr. Phil and Judge Judy who appear to only be able to maintain their female audience by vilifying men.

I stand for the idea that a male should be able to physically defend himself from an assault from a female. I stand for female and male assault to be prosecuted equally.

I stand for doctors to educate their male patients about "the male contraceptive pill."

I stand for advancements in spending and awareness for men's health until it resembles the amount for women's health.

I stand for the elimination of "statuatory rape" laws. I stand for the decriminalization of all consensual sex. I stand for the legalization of pornography and prostitution.

I stand for gay marriage, equal rights for gays in the military. I stand for the moral criticism of "gay bashing," and attacking boys for ignoring gender hypermasculinity. Men have an equal right to be attracted to men as women do. Women have an equal right to be attracted to women as men do. Women and men should be able to defy gender stereotypes all they want without being harrassed or discriminated against.

I stand for a court demand for physical proof or eye witness testimony in the prosecution of a rape. I stand for female rapists to be sentenced the same as males. I stand for a false rape accusation to be a severe criminal offense.

I stand for women to have to be included in selective services and therefore eligible for the draft.

I stand for the elimination of gender specific college grants, government aid and housing.

I would repeat these stances to any woman's group, feminist, masculinist, christian or satanist. I would believe them here, there or anywhere. I do like green eggs and ham, I do like them Sam-I-am.

Oh, and I stand for the idea that self-proclaimed feminists and masculinists are freaking arses.

[Marx]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that disagreeing with you was against the rules. If I have broken a different rule you'll have to point that out to me.

There is an unwritten rule that annoying TMOTS may incurr a sore backside.

[haahoo]

There is an unwritten rule that annoying TMOTS may incurr a sore backside.

Haha! or there was!!