Confronting Woman-Bashing in the Men's Movement

[haahoo]

Ummm.. It's definitely not Fascist anyway. Poor Fascism... It always gets bashed around inappropriately.

I think of Feminism as a standalone political ideology. But if it is allied to anything; it's Marxism and Leftism. That side of the spectrum.

Hitlers rise to power was largely in the back of womens approval..

Feminism needs an all powerful state to uphold it.

The nazi's never got to carry out their family policies, but the ideas they where thinking of seem very much in line with the feminazi nightmare we are starting to move into..

I can see a time when the family is totally controlled from conception onwards, even before..

Was it not hitler who brought us the ludicrous concept of the state telling us who we were entitled to marry?

"Aryan's only" and all that?

[Trauma Fried Brains]

[quote=Percy;142615]
[quote=Male-Rights-Network;142641]Ummm.. It's definitely not Fascist anyway. Poor Fascism... It always gets bashed around inappropriately.

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Be you a closet General Franco I wander.

Anyhow, I was just tiring to suggest that all this linking of feminism to various scholarly ‘isms’ is a distraction that the feminists create to rationalise something as crude and simple as blatant selfishness. It was in that light that I gave the counter comparison, to their presumed connection to Marxism, as being more akin to fascism. I just wanted to show that what feminists actually aim for is some sort of female elitism, where men are reduced to peasants with subordinate status who work to support feminist indulgence. Wealth producing sperm donors in the case of excluded fathers.

Such elitism and privilege is a form of 21st century aristocracy and very far from any concept of Marxism. All I was just suggesting is let’s not get bogged down in all these scholarly connections which feminism doesn’t even apply to and merely distracts us from the real evil. Feminism is simply about manipulating the power they abuse to exploit and demonise men.


Yep that’s all it is; selfishness and nastiness. Not the Marxist camouflage they want to attach to themselves.

You have picked up a couple of interesting points.

"marxism" and "religion"..


These 2 things are more similar than you may think...

Oh no; believe me, I really do see great parallels between them.

"marxism" (or any other form of totalitarean belief system) is practically a religion in effect "secular humanism" or whatever.....

I totally agree

RESISTING STATISM is the most important thing to free us from the effects of feminist dogcrap.

The state is Pussy.

The judiciary is no longer independent enough to exercise the integrity we expect from it, and too often just follows pussy social fashions.

‘Council Culture’, the mindset of too many of them from national government right down to local authority social workers is just one big employment racket for the morally incapable.

Council culture and feminism are bosom buddies.

But getting back to the simplicity of the point:
Feminism doesn’t ultimately have scholarly attachments to various ‘isms’ except feminism itself.
And by itself, feminism is just selfishness and nastiness; we oughtn’t qualify more to it as we play into their hands. They rationalise it and we need to de-rationalise it. Demonise feminism as it demonises us. Cut it off from all those scholarly attachments and women in general. Isolate the selfishness and hatred so the wider public might see it for what it is. But council culture is defiantly one of the mediums in which this virus grows well.


Errr, does any of this make sense, or have I just gone off into a babbling rant?

[RebelliousVanilla]

Actually it's very much like Marxism, where people who take risks and are productive pretty much subsidize those that aren't. It's the same issue.

Replace the capitalist pigs with the men and the working class with the women and it's the same shit. And Marxism is selfishness and believing you're entitled to stuff you didn't work for.

[brian44]

Errr, does any of this make sense, or have I just gone off into a babbling rant?

Well, modern feminism uses cultural Marxism and cultural Marxists to achieve most of its ends. Cultural Marxism/political correctness and feminism are hard to seperate when it comes to the assertion of practical political power and influence in modern Britain. Harriet Harman uses her position in the (now) cultural Marxist Labour party to further her feminist policies. I think you have to realise that the old idea of economic Marxism died out years ago and was replaced with the cultural version, which is endemic and insidious throughout modern Britain.

[Otis the Sweaty]

Fascism is the merging of the corporate and political. That is definately what we currently have. Big government and big business are clearly on the same side against the people. Look at how the bailouts passed over huge public opposition.

[RebelliousVanilla]

Fascism is the merging of the corporate and political. That is definately what we currently have. Big government and big business are clearly on the same side against the people. Look at how the bailouts passed over huge public opposition.

Actually, fascism is a lot similar to socialism. The political spectrum is more like a circle, not a line. Fascism and Socialism are opposing ends on the line, but the line is brought in a circle and you get in the same place.

It's not surprising that the German fascist party were the nazis which comes from nationalist-socialist.

[haahoo]

[quote=Trauma Fried Brains;142659][quote=Percy;142615]

Ummm.. It's definitely not Fascist anyway. Poor Fascism... It always gets bashed around inappropriately.

quote]


Be you a closet General Franco I wander.

Anyhow, I was just tiring to suggest that all this linking of feminism to various scholarly ‘isms’ is a distraction that the feminists create to rationalise something as crude and simple as blatant selfishness. It was in that light that I gave the counter comparison, to their presumed connection to Marxism, as being more akin to fascism. I just wanted to show that what feminists actually aim for is some sort of female elitism, where men are reduced to peasants with subordinate status who work to support feminist indulgence. Wealth producing sperm donors in the case of excluded fathers.

Such elitism and privilege is a form of 21st century aristocracy and very far from any concept of Marxism. All I was just suggesting is let’s not get bogged down in all these scholarly connections which feminism doesn’t even apply to and merely distracts us from the real evil. Feminism is simply about manipulating the power they abuse to exploit and demonise men.


Yep that’s all it is; selfishness and nastiness. Not the Marxist camouflage they want to attach to themselves.




Oh no; believe me, I really do see great parallels between them.



I totally agree



The state is Pussy.

The judiciary is no longer independent enough to exercise the integrity we expect from it, and too often just follows pussy social fashions.

‘Council Culture’, the mindset of too many of them from national government right down to local authority social workers is just one big employment racket for the morally incapable.

Council culture and feminism are bosom buddies.

But getting back to the simplicity of the point:
Feminism doesn’t ultimately have scholarly attachments to various ‘isms’ except feminism itself.
And by itself, feminism is just selfishness and nastiness; we oughtn’t qualify more to it as we play into their hands. They rationalise it and we need to de-rationalise it. Demonise feminism as it demonises us. Cut it off from all those scholarly attachments and women in general. Isolate the selfishness and hatred so the wider public might see it for what it is. But council culture is defiantly one of the mediums in which this virus grows well.


Errr, does any of this make sense, or have I just gone off into a babbling rant?

makes sense in all regards, I am pleased to say!

"council culture" is something that has to be experienced from all sides to realise the amazing truth of it..

It would be hard to imagine, for most folk, the mindset of the council worker..

Its classic "soldiering".. Work avoidance.. (preference for endless meetings, posturing, etc..)..

One of the odd things about "council culture" is that once one has achieved a position in a government job, you truly do have a "job for life"..

Where else can you find folk who have stayed working for the same employer for literally decades, regardless of their complete and utter inability to do a productive days work?

Its like becoming a student on a modern degree course..

You are gauranteeed a degree, just for turning up more than the absolute bare minimum of times..

If you cant do the work, you will be carried by everyone else (who probably are equally ineffective..)

But, at the end of the day, I suppose the state has to find "work" for those who are not much use elsewhere!!

It is amazing how such monopolies still have to demand of the public huge financial payments for their "services"..

It is of course not beyond the realms of imagination that councils could actually run at a "profit" using their "skills" and resources.. (it is occasionally demonstrated by councils that have a ZERO council tax rate..)

It is largely an employment "mopping up" of surplus junk labour..

One of the little known aspects of working for the state is this..

If you ever find yourself employed in a state position..

Your chances of ever getting back into the private sector are exceedingly slim..

Few employers will touch ex-council workers..

I wonder why??

[haahoo]

Actually it's very much like Marxism, where people who take risks and are productive pretty much subsidize those that aren't. It's the same issue.

Replace the capitalist pigs with the men and the working class with the women and it's the same shit. And Marxism is selfishness and believing you're entitled to stuff you didn't work for.

I dont think its a simple as that..

MArxism may never have become a dominant ideology if the capitalists had not been so selfish and uncaring towards the slave classes..

"all property is theft".. An interesting take on things!

Much work is legalised theft, is it not?

[Celtic Druid]

Where else can you find folk who have stayed working for the same employer for literally decades, regardless of their complete and utter inability to do a productive days work?

Its like becoming a student on a modern degree course..

Yep.

[Zuberi]

You can repeat this all you want but you are ignoring that current Western Governments are a two-tier system.

"Big Government" (a term of the Establishment Conservative movement, which I incidentally hate) can affect men and women in different ways; such that for one group (women) it is bearable if not advantageous, for the other (men) it is unbearable.

The concept of a two-tier Government between men and women is not that hard to understand.

"Big Government" is not necessarily bad. And again, like the "greatest country in the world" stuff, who defines the big in Big Government?? Hmmmm?

And women en masse will not necessarily find Big Government unbearable or bad in the long run. Why do you just assume these things?

Look at EU countries. Or even the US (it does have a pretty extensive bureaucracy).

Know this!!
When ever some bitch or asshole talks about big government it usually means a nation is about to fall!

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!

[haahoo]

Fascism is the merging of the corporate and political. That is definately what we currently have. Big government and big business are clearly on the same side against the people. Look at how the bailouts passed over huge public opposition.

Indeed, The state and big business are in bed together, always have been of course..

[haahoo]

Actually, fascism is a lot similar to socialism. The political spectrum is more like a circle, not a line. Fascism and Socialism are opposing ends on the line, but the line is brought in a circle and you get in the same place.

It's not surprising that the German fascist party were the nazis which comes from nationalist-socialist.

I think its all bollocks personally.

Whoever thought of the idea that there is a "political spectrum" was trying to make us think that way..

It does not truly mean a great deal, but its a useful way of limiting the number of political parties to 3.. Hence, "left, centre, right"..

How obviously dumb the electorate must be to not realise that the "extreme" left and right are basically the same (the "circular spectrum" argument)..

Then, even when they realise this, that the "centre" is not the bloody same too?

I think the political scene is very much like whats in my strides..

I have a couple of nuts in my danglebag, the left is lower than the right, but if you take the centre position, your gonna get the shaft and both nuts will be pumping their seed through it!!

Feminists want to replace the power of politics with the simple power of pussy..

We dont need to concern ourselves with what style of statism they need to get power, but we do need to be aware that without the balls of the state, they are just a gaping chasm at either end..

[Trauma Fried Brains]

"council culture" is something that has to be experienced from all sides to realise the amazing truth of it..

Too right! ‘Council culture’. I often use this term when venting my shock and frustration at how the council (littoral, and in the widest possible sense, but excluding those few public workers with an acceptable work ethic) corrode everything that common sense stands for. If feminism is the enemy, then council culture is its lair. It’s a more fertile breading ground for feminism than even women in general. The ‘council’ supercharges feminism and employs the power our democracy gives it to keep a tyrannical hold around our throats. It dresses up its most vicious misandry polices with the only thing it does well; council culture spin.


‘In the best interests of the child’.


‘To support equality’.


‘Maintain choices for women’
...etc.

They are such a bunch of bigoted buffoons! Qualifying with Mickey mouse ‘degrees’ and getting (like you say) job security and benefits that productive people can only dream of.

They condescend with an air of miss-presumed moral superiority, when in reality they act on us with contempt.
They steadily grew over the last century gradually consuming a greater proportion of our wealth whilst introducing breathtaking inefficiency in managing us. Now they're hell bent on finishing us off in this century.

For those who are old enough; do you remember the cold war and that soviet cliché, “niet comrade, you are the decadent vest”? I didn’t think it was true then; but I sure as hell do now.

The decadent west, that’s what we are; and council culture is the engine that drives that decadence.

[bababob]

It is very true...

This is not a fight between men and women. If it becomes that no-one can ever "win"...

Except, perhaps, the government and the feminists. It is the feminist mandate to separate men from women... The feminists WANT men and women to engage in a war against each other.

I think it was Garak that posted a thread to the effect that feminism is a business. It thrives off of the division it exploits. Separatist feminism, lesbian feminism, radical feminism, even the "Vagina Warrior Gender Stalinistas", are anti-heterosexual and choose to live celibate or female-only lives instead. When you say women-bashing, you must remember that word includes the aforementioned kind of women. You must also remember Timo's dictionary definition about celebration. I'll strike a heavy crushing blow at women who have no use for men, and I'll celebrate the women who love us.

[RebelliousVanilla]

“The first question is not whether government is good or evil, but whether government is coercive — whether government relies on force to fill its coffers, enforce its commands, and impose its will. To get a clear understanding of the pervasive use and threat of force in daily government actions is the first step towards political realism … Taxation is not a mere technicality to be relegated to the footnotes of political science and public administration. Taxation goes to the heart of the relation of the citizen to the State: the higher the taxation, the greater the subjugation — the more that politicians are preempting individuals from building their own lives. Every increase in taxation is a proclamation that government knows best, and thus that politicians are entitled to commandeer more of the individuals paycheck and save him from himself.”

Big government sucks :P