I take your point Kelly Mac, and I am aware of your concern that anger and impatience can threaten the progress that is needed. But as a matter of principle I see no reason to mince my words just because certain people don't like them; most particularly when those "certain people" have already proved that they have no concern whatsoever for my welfare or that of my fellow men. Who are we trying to impress here?

Sometimes hard words are needed because that may be the only way to get through to some people. And despite the way that such a big proportion of the population seems to be stubbornly unaware of misandry, or care nothing about it, even when facts and figures are put in front of them, I still have some faith in the ability of human beings to get to the truth eventually. It is very slow progress but it is moving. Wild and generalised accusations of misogyny are highly predictable and par for the course, and I can see them going the same way as every other overstatement or exaggeration; eventually everyone recognises that they are a totally inadequate and misleading response to a genuine problem. Also if you allow yourself to be told by a third party what somebody else believes, without finding it out directly for yourself, you are not going to make any helpful contribution to anything.

The site you refer to shows it's hypocrisy by refusing to acknowledge the hatred towards men that feminism promotes. Feminism isn't an attack at the 'manosphere' or MRM or anything men's rights related.. It's an attack at men. All men. Yet, the SPLC refuses to acknowledge any underhand tactics feminism has used, refuses to acknowledge any of the lies they tell and refuses to acknowledge the harm feminism has caused to men through it's double-standards and demands for gynocentric superiority.

If it had even a tenth of genuine concern for hate movements, they'd at least discuss the radfemhub discussions... But, because manboobz has spoken in defence of radfemhub and only discussed the more benign posts rather than addressing a single one of their more hateful posts in order to convince his readers that radfemhub isn't a problem, the SPLC won't touch it.

Here's a good article by Paul Elam, which dispels the mistaken belief that the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is the same civil rights organization it was 30 years ago.

SPLC: A poverty of integrity | another website

So............what they have to say holds no meaningful value to me, whatsoever!

As Senach said on facebook...

"Oh shit it must be true then,a survey done by a organisation funded by the goverment must be taken at face value,and also we do not need a link or a copy of the survey or the questions asked,of whom, where and when they did the survey,we must believe them at their word ???"

What ever happened to Senach?

I respected him dearly.

We shouldn't chase our tails trying to impress those whom don't care about our cause.

I remember when this happened. News of the SPLC's back-page posting caused many of us to pause. Here was a supposed civil rights organization opposing a grass roots civil rights movement.

I believe Paul Elam and others fleshed out the whole story within a few days. see the link Celtic Druid provided. Seems some feminist at RadFem knew someone working at the SPLC and after the Agent Orange files were released this RadFem blew her lid and eventually got on the horn to her friend. Her friend then worked her little heart out researching the MRM by emailing child-booby for a quote - cause actually researching men's issues would take to long and might cost, gosh, like money and stuff. Well then she writes her little hit-list - notice there are no citations, evidence, or anything other than a quote from the boobzter - and the SPLC brass are so unconcerned - too busy raking in the cash from gullible rubes, no doubt - that they basically file it in the back-pages. Sure it exists. And it most likely will get pulled out to scare gullible people for fund raising campaigns but it's a laughable piece. I mean they say SAVE Services (Stop Abusive Environments; an anti-domestic violence organisation) and a guy teaching men how to pick-up chicks are part of some evil online conspiracy of misogynists. It's easy to see that it is not journalism; it's an ideologically driven hit-list.

As for watching our language, well there has been a lot of discussion back-and-forth about it for a long time. Some people think we need to show a kinder, gentler, face. Like the admins over on r/men's rights who seem to think we should try to meet the feminists have way - I've got no problems with egalitarians, just don't call yourself a men's rights activist, they're not the same thing - and this approach has been tried before. One attempt was called the good men's project - how'd that work out for ya Tom? Seems every time the MRM puts a hand out it comes back bloody.

Years of abuse by culturally ingrained misandry pisses a lot of men off. Abuse in family court, and being falsely accused of raping a woman you never even met, or having to pay for a child you never fathered, all have the effect of pissing men off. There are thousand of horror stories like these in the MRM. Getting kicked in the teeth again and again will piss you off and that's something people seem to forget. I've said this before and I'm going to keep saying it - the misogyny that women see in the MRM is a direct response to the misandry inflicted on men.

I understand this rage. I was just like that. I was a chaotic misanthropic mess when I stumbled onto the MRM purely by accident. I was in the process of posting the vilest hate-fueled thing I could thing of when by accident I happened upon mensactivism.org. So I know the pain that can fuel a full hate-on. This is where the MRM can be a release valve to allow us to help other men express all that safely, and preferably away from the public eye. Essentially we can help other men by letting them explode emotionally in male-safe places and provide some guidance away from stupid mistakes.

There are different ways of talking; Locker talk, social talk, formal talk. You get the picture. And as a guy I also know that (in general) men and women, we talk differently. Man talk is (again generally) rougher, more direct and less concerned with feelings - or at least seems to be. But I don't think this is what you were talking about.

I think you were talking about loose talk that may include violent rhetoric and the like. "Die mutherfucker" and "I'm gotta kill that mutherfucker" may be a good line in a movie, and exceedingly commonplace on the internet, but an MRA saying that publicly can be used by our opposition as evidence - - against the whole of the MRM. And while there is no way of demanding obedience it should be something that those of us within the MRM should be mindful of. In other words don't give the enemy ammunition to shoot us with. And to this I agree. Don't give 'em bullets - give 'em the finger.

I remember another woman suggesting that we put ourselves into self diagnosis mode all the time, TERA is no longer with us but maybe she is lurking. It's funny that women always want us to tone it down but should any man suggest the same of feminists, the shit would destroy the fan!

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I remember another woman suggesting that we put ourselves into self diagnosis mode all the time, TERA is no longer with us but maybe she is lurking. It's funny that women always want us to tone it down but should any man suggest the same of feminists, the shit would destroy the fan!

The real question is, "why would you care?
How much difference does it make to the way you live your life? None?

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Here's a good article by Paul Elam, which dispels the mistaken belief that the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is the same civil rights organization it was 30 years ago.
So............what they have to say holds no meaningful value to me, whatsoever!

Exactly! It's nothing more than a pathetic curve ball that's been thrown time and time again by the "Shut them up or shut them down" department and it's very boring.

The SPLC did a needed societal attitude change towards civil rights in America in the past. Now, the SPLC has come under the auspices of radical feminism and has changed it's tone to attacking a civil rights movement for men, by men with vitriol and standard feminist shaming techniques.

The whole reason the SPLC is interested in the MRM is because WE are beginning to make some progress in leveling the field for men and boys. The MRM is starting to get some media attention and that is what scares the shit out of feminists and their white knights. Abuses of men and boys by the courts, educational systems, and government is having a bright light shone on them.

There is a need by feminists and white knights to control the discourse of communications and attitudes because it threatens their illusion of power and more importantly, it threatens their source of money and their jobs. The SPLC knows this and will assist in anyway possible because THEIR jobs and sources of funding are on the line. The SPLC could give a shit less about men and boys because their funding comes from people who don't give a shit about men and boys civil rights issues. The radfem's and radfem hub are actively raising funds for the SPLC to continue their demonization of the MRM.

The fly in their Chardonnay is that public opinion is not easily swayed. People are waking up and beginning to see the reality of how men and boys are treated in our society. All the lies and baseless claims by feminism are slowly beginning to unravel and that has the feminists in a foul mood, they are getting scared that their web of lies and bullshit will be revealed and public opinion will change course and begin to focus on true equality, not the feminist viewpoint.

Quite frankly, I welcome the SPLC poking their noses into the MRM. Their hypocrisy in demonizing a civil rights movement by men is being seen by a lot of people for what it truly is: Feminist driven, politically correct misandry.

I say as I see it we northerners have a certain way of saying as it is and if it offends tuff

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The real question is, "why would you care?
How much difference does it make to the way you live your life? None?

I don't understand the question.

What are they going to do, spank us for not complying to their idiocy? We are going to express ourselves and if they don't like it, too bad. These princesses are long overdue for a reality check.