I amazingly got all 3 posts I made, posted!

See below the thread for my responses. All of which were positively received.

It also shows the power of researching your subject vs spouting unfounded nonsense!


Circumcision ban in Germany 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust' | Mail Online

Merkel promises Jews and Muslims in Germany that circumcision WILL be allowed despite controversial court ban

• Judge in Cologne outlawed the practice on the grounds that it causes 'illegal bodily harm'
  

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Germany's Chancelleor Merkel has promised Jewish and Muslim communities that they will be free to carry out circumcision on young boys despite a court ban.

Last month a judge in Cologne sparked fury among religious groups by outlawing the practice on the grounds that it causes 'illegal bodily harm'.

The ban provoked a rare show of unity between Jews, Muslims and Christians who see it as a threat to religious freedom.

In a country that is especially sensitive to allegations of intolerance because of the Nazis' slaughter of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, the government said it would find a way around the Cologne court ban in June as a matter of urgency.

European rabbis descended on Berlin this week to lobby against what they see as an affront to religious freedom - with the backing of Muslim and Christian leaders in an unusual show of unity, as well as the support of many German politicians.


A spokesman for the chancellor said: 'For everyone in the government it is absolutely clear that we want to have Jewish and Muslim religious life in Germany.

'Circumcision carried out in a responsible manner must be possible in this country without punishment.'
Ruling in the case of a Muslim boy taken to a doctor with bleeding after circumcision, the Cologne court said the practice inflicts bodily harm and should not be carried out on young boys, but could be practiced on older males who give consent.

This is not acceptable under Jewish religious practice which requires boys to be circumcised from eight days old, nor for many Muslims, for whom the age of circumcision varies according to family, country and branch of Islam.

'It is well know that in the Jewish religion early circumcision carries great meaning, so it is a matter of urgency that this right be restored,' said Seibert, adding that Merkel's own office would be involved in efforts to resolve the problem.

'We know a quick decision is needed and that this cannot be put off. Freedom of religious practice is a very important legal right for us,' he said.

Germany is a close ally of Israel and its ambassador there has promised parliament's Diaspora Affairs Committee to defend the rights of Germany's growing Jewish community.
European rabbis ended their meeting in Berlin on Thursday in a defiant mood. They plan talks with German Muslim and Christian leaders in Stuttgart next week to see how they can fight the ban together.

The ruling by the Cologne Regional Court applies to the city and surrounding districts with a total population of just over 2 million people. The total population of Germany is about 82 million. Cologne is home to about 120,000 Muslims, whose plans for a new central mosque has stirred anti-immigrant sentiment.

The head of the Conference of European Rabbis urged Jews in Germany to continue carrying out circumcision despite the ban.

But the German Medical Association, while opposing the ban because it could drive circumcision underground with greater risk of infection through poor hygiene, advised doctors not to carry out the operation until the legal situation is cleared up as they could risk prosecution.

Pinchas Goldschmidt, the Swiss-born chief rabbi of Moscow who organized the meeting, said the ban was a fresh example of creeping prejudice in European law against non-Christians, after a Swiss ban on minarets, French and Belgian bans on Islamic veils in public and an attempted Dutch ban on halal meat.

'Circumcision represents the basis for belonging to the Jewish community. It has been practiced for 4,000 years and cannot be changed,' said Goldschmidt.

Germany is home to about 120,000 Jews and 4 million Muslims. Many of the latter originating from Turkey, which has also condemned last month's court ruling.

First response:

And what about the human rights of those baby boys strapped into a plastic torture rack, and having 20,000+ nerving endings amputated without anaesthetic, writhing around in extreme agony? Female circumcision has been rightfully banned in every western country, the next step in humanity is to afford boys the same protection. And why is DM adopting a pro-circumcision stance by citing flawed data? The so-called research cited by the World Health Organisation, originates from 3 studies in Africa several years ago. It claimed circumcision was effective as a 60% effective vaccine (Auvert 2005, 2006) in countering AIDS. The sample size was small, inherently flawed and stopped before all the results were finalized.The Lancet, refused to publish the male circumcision trials due to ethical concerns. Recent peer reviewed studies actually showed that not only did circumcision not reduce HIV transmission (Connolly 2008), but women were more likely to get HIV/AIDS from a circumcised partner (Jameson 2009).

Second response:

There's a deeply ingrained misconception that male circumcision is acceptable because it's done for hygienic reasons and/or as a preventative measure. This has been thoroughly debunked as junk science, and those advocating such a position have been unveiled as lobbyists for medical companies which make vast profits from harvested foreskins, which are trafficked from clinics and hospitals. The neonate (less than 4 weeks old) foreskin is considered the main ingredient in age-defying products which includes creams, lotions & foundations (ever wonder what part of the ingredients give it 'rejuvenating properties'?). One foreskin can be used for decades to grow £75,000 worth of fibroblasts. The govt profits from this industrialized barbarity which is worth billions!

Third response:

A so-called mother describing why she allowed her sons to be sexually butchered.....

WE did it for our boys future wives. - Ursula, USA, 13/7/2012 13:34----------------So you sacrificed your sons bodily integrity to benefit some women you haven't yet met, based on flawed evidence? Not only are many female comments depressingly predictable, but staggeringly hypocritical. So many mothers who would fight tooth and nail to prevent their daughters from being circumcised, yet don't think twice about mutilating their sons which is equally as bad. Could it be partly explained because of women's innate obsession with sexually mutilating males? And the large numbers of women conceitedly commenting how they prefer a circumcised penis. Can you imagine the outrage and cries of misogyny if men said they thought a cirumcised woman was more asethetically pleasing? Another reason why most women are pro male circumcision, is simply that a man with 20,000-80,000 less nerve endings on his penis will take longer to ejaculate. Now that's the most sinister example of sexual selfishness ever!