Another Set Of BS Rape Stats For Feminists To Throw At Men

**Brass Monkey** · 16th-September-2011

6 percent of college men admit to rape or attempted rape - Collegenews.
"New survey says 6 percent of college students polled admit to using violence, verbal abuse and coercive methods to get sex

A new survey of college students revealed the 6 percent of respondents admitted to either raping or attempting to rape someone. Intriguingly enough, the surveyors, when asking the questions of the 1882 students who participated, left out the word “rape” itself. "

Another set of unreliable statistics to be thrown around on the internet? Unreliable how?

Question One (there were four questions) in full - (1) Have you ever been in a situation where you tried, but for various reasons did not succeed, in having sexual intercourse with an adult by using or threatening to use physical force (twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.) if they did not cooperate?

A common situation - a couple are kissing, sex could be on the cards, the man escalates and maybe throws the woman on the bed, maybe she keeps kissing him, she expects he will not rape her, she thinks he will stop if she says stop, as most men would. Then he tries to have sex, he could be to some extent 'holding her down' at this point, but not against her will. She says no I don't want sex. He says ok and stops. Even if the man did hold the woman down against her will while trying to obtain her permission for sex, if he stops - the question vaguely says 'for various reasons did not succeed' - many respondents may have thought 'yes the reason I 'did not succeed' was that she said no, and no means no' - then this survey calls that man a an attempted rapist. He has admitted only to 'holding someone down' while attempting to get sex. Many women like to be held down, it's unfortunate that this is also what a rapist would do, but that's the way it is. What percentage of the respondents have been branded an attempted rapist by answering this question 'yes' because they once held a woman down during what they hoped was foreplay I'd like to know, but in my opinion it invalidates the survey.

Even if you accept that holding someone down against their will while attempting to have sex with them is wrong, if they are unsuccessful for 'various reasons' and especially if one of those reasons is that though they may be (even a little) forceful/playfully rough (with non-verbal consent clearly obtained from the woman up to that point) before trying to obtain sex, they would never actually rape someone who is saying no, it is quite wrong to say they are an attempted rapist, or that rape was ever going to happen in that situation.

Predictably this flawed study is being even more distorted already, with it being referenced like this

"Because 6% of college-aged men, slightly over 1 in 20, will admit to raping someone in anonymous surveys, as long as the word "rape" isn't used in the description of the act—and that's the conservative estimate" [Note they have dropped the 'attempted rape' part]

here - Why Rape Jokes Are Never "Ok" - MenSpeakUp

Be on guard for this new BS stat and dispute the methodology behind it if and when you see it.

The four questions in full

(1) Have you ever been in a situation where you tried, but for various reasons did not succeed, in having sexual intercourse with an adult by using or threatening to use physical force (twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.) if they did not cooperate?
(2) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances (e.g., removing their clothes)?
(3) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with an adult when they didn’t want to because you used or threatened to use physical force (twisting their arm; holding them down, etc.) if they didn’t cooperate?
(4) Have you ever had oral sex with an adult when they didn’t want to because you used or threatened to use physical force (twisting their arm; holding them down, etc.) if they didn’t cooperate?
Lisak & Miller at 77-78.]

**Douglas** · 16th-September-2011

My response on the site:

Quote from Douglas

I'm reading an article headed "6 percent of college men admit to rape or attempted rape" which is based on a series of questions NONE of which mention rape.

So it would be more accurate to say that ZERO percent of college men admitted to rape in this study.

Redefining rape to mean whatever one wants is completely disingenuous and totally unscholarly. If a study wants to report how many people (men or women) admit to rape, it should at least ask "Have you ever raped anyone" as one of its questions.

I'll admit that one of the questions is close to my idea of what a rape can involve:

(3) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with an adult when they didn’t want to because you used or threatened to use physical force (twisting their arm; holding them down, etc.) if they didn’t cooperate?

It is a pity that they did not follow up that question with "Did that person ever later willingly have sex." Not because it necessarily excuses such behaviour but because it puts it in focus as to whether it is truly a social problem.

Take note that the source article never mentions female rapists, and never mentions adult male victims, even though it mentions child victims.

A huge proportion of the women I know enough to talk with about it have survived an attempted or completed rape.

How come these people meet such a high proportion of women? I've dated one woman who was raped (yes, reported it and I'm sure there was a police record of the event) and I've spoken with two women on the Internet who say they were raped - one of whom admitted that she didn't report it because it turned her on and she dated the guy for a while afterwards. That's it. Only those. Although I'm more of a hermit than a socialite, I really have talked to quite a few women in my half century of life and I can't say that "huge proportion of the women I know enough to talk with about it" have been raped, or had an attempted rape. Maybe to make such a claim, you need to be a lawyer, or a worker in a female shelter, or something, I don't know. Or maybe you simply have to assume that if a woman won't admit to you that she was raped, then clearly you don't know her well enough for her to admit it.

**Marx** · 16th-September-2011

This is similar to one for Africa where a feminist (shock, surprise) conducted a 'study' (LMFAO) and claimed that 50% of African men 'admitted rape'. I read the short survey and found no mention of the word rape ONCE - not a single time.

It's pathetic how feminists will use whatever trickery they have to their disposal to lie about men.

**Black Knight** · 16th-September-2011

Lmao. Yes, coercion and verbal abuse is rape. Except when she leaves of her free will because you never stopped her from doing so

Honestly, men are 'coerced' and 'verbally abused' by women into far worse, seemingly far more often. See: Division of Property, Cuckoldry, giving up the job you like to support her shopping habits, expensive dinners, expensive diamond rings... so I feel raped.

**Douglas** · 16th-September-2011

It's not even necessarily the study that is at fault, here. The study might be perfectly sound and accurate. It is the free interpretation of that study and the rewording and massaging of what it contains and implies that is wrong. If x% of students at a specific college, or of a specific gender at specific colleges, say they used force to obtain sex then it is reasonable, fair and possibly useful to report on that. It is not reasonable, fair, or at all useful to society or victims to distort the truth into saying that this shows that percentage of men admitting to something they were never asked.

Furthermore, studies should always be as inclusive of the subject matter as possible and the report on the study should be clear on the restrictions of the study. Stephanie K. McWhorter's study, for example, was deliberately on male personnel only (even though female personnel could have been studied and lessons learnt) and the personnel were all navy men, who most people do not consider represent the sexual norm. However, instead of reports on the study stating that the study was restricted to males only and only to those who had been newly enlisted and only those who volunteered for the study and only to those who stated they were sexually active heterosexuals, it is often quoted simply that in a study of over one thousand men .. blah blah. The findings of the study are one thing, whether that study is useful is another, how applicable that study is in formulating policy for general society is another altogether.

I don't mean to minimise rape. I don't think any of us here want to excuse a rapist or to dismiss the needs of a victim.

But I do want to look at all victims of rape, not just women. I do want society to help victims of forced and violent sexual assault, without confusing their needs with those who have sex and regret it, or those who simply like rough sex. I also think victims are created by the easy ability of women to accuse men of rape, who were not raped but destroy a man's life just by an accusation. In a way, those victims of false accusation are nothing to do with rape but they are to do with a society that is too ready to believe an accusation and too ready to condemn a person without any evidence, which is something encouraged by making up statements about rape that are simply untrue.

I don't want rape minimised. I think that false statements do exactly that.

**Black Knight** · 16th-September-2011

When you broaden the definition of rape, which most people think of as an act against a non-consenting person either by via force or by intoxication, to situations that involve a reluctant person and zero force/intox, it's effectively minimizing rape by broadening the definition from a heinous crime to "he said he'd leave me so I had to". (hint: you didn't...)

**Douglas** · 16th-September-2011

Talking of bullshit statistics..

90% of women admit to having starved a man.

(In the humour section.)

**NowHearThis** · 16th-September-2011

It's like looking at an object with glasses that are the wrong prescription for one's eyes. It is a fact that the object exists, but the glasses distort one's view or perception of it.

**KellyMac** · 17th-September-2011

Quote from Douglas

How come these people meet such a high proportion of women? I've dated one woman who was raped (yes, reported it and I'm sure there was a police record of the event) and I've spoken with two women on the Internet who say they were raped - one of whom admitted that she didn't report it because it turned her on and she dated the guy for a while afterwards. That's it. Only those. Although I'm more of a hermit than a socialite, I really have talked to quite a few women in my half century of life and I can't say that "huge proportion of the women I know enough to talk with about it" have been raped, or had an attempted rape. Maybe to make such a claim, you need to be a lawyer, or a worker in a female shelter, or something, I don't know. Or maybe you simply have to assume that if a woman won't admit to you that she was raped, then clearly you don't know her well enough for her to admit it.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you may have talked to any number of women who have been raped. It's not like we go around, "Hi. I'm Kelly, and I've been raped."

Just saying.

Quote from NowHearThis

It's like looking at an object with glasses that are the wrong prescription for one's eyes. It is a fact that the object exists, but the glasses distort one's view or perception of it.

Excellent point. So much of what is classified as "rape" today stacks up as "stupidity" in my mind...

**Marx** · 17th-September-2011

Quote from KellyMac

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you may have talked to any number of women who have been raped. It's not like we go around, "Hi. I'm Kelly, and I've been raped."

Unless you're on a feminist board, in which case it's almost like an ID badge for them... "Hi, I'm Betty and I've been raped 50 times - this month alone! Therefore, I outrank you in my victim-status as you only have 19 rapes to your badge this month. This gives me more 'experience' to talk from and I can use magifem-powers to attract mucho sympathy points from my peers and unsuspecting public."

Quote from KellyMac

Excellent point. So much of what is classified as "rape" today stacks up as "stupidity" in my mind...

Yup