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Double-Standards Much?

Does anyone see a double-standard here? She can have an abortion without his knowledge or consent and it's "her body, her choice", because the fetus isn't a person. He tries to give her an abortion pill and it's suddenly attempted homicide, even though she didn't drink the drink he spiked. Now they're looking at fetal tissue to determine if he managed to get her to ingest one in her food.

How is it human rights when it's her decision, and murder when it's his? How is it a blob of cells when it's her decision, and a person when it's his?

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Man charged in abortion pill case missing; arrest warrant issued for Manish Patel By Dan Wilson
for The Northwestern

APPLETON — The man charged with attempted homicide for allegedly spiking his pregnant girlfriend’s drink with an abortion pill apparently has jumped bond.

Manish Patel, 34, formerly of the Town of Kaukauna, failed to check in Thursday at the Outagamie County Day Report center as required under the terms of his bond.

Outagamie County Court Commissioner Maureen Budiac issued an arrest warrant Friday on a charge of bail jumping. The warrant has a $1 million bond attached.
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Outagamie County Sheriff Brad Gehring said, Patel, a native of India, could have a full week head start on authorities.

As a condition of his bond, Patel was required to check in at the report center every Tuesday and Thursday. As another condition, Patel surrendered his passport.

“He checked in last Thursday (Dec. 20) and they (the day report center) told him he didn’t have to show up on Tuesday because it was a holiday,” Gehring said Friday. “He did not show up yesterday (Thursday) and they notified us this morning.”
Gehring is miffed over the report center’s decision.

“They have a court order and just because it was a holiday they gave him a week off,” he said. “And clearly he was a flight risk.”

Gehring said Patel’s attorney, Thomas Zoesch, also is unaware of his whereabouts. Zoesch was unavailable at his office or home telephone numbers this afternoon.

“We have checked his address and the Northern Inn Motel and with his business partners,” said Gehring. Patel was nowhere to be found.

“We are still trying to determine if he is in the area or fled,” said Gehring.

Patel is charged with multiple felony and misdemeanor charges including attempted first-degree attempted homicide for the alleged Sept. 17 spiking of his pregnant girlfriend’s dairy drink with RU-486, a pill used to induce abortions.

The woman did not ingest the drink but did miscarry two weeks later, leading to suspicions that Patel ultimately succeeded in getting her to ingest the substance in
another food source. A tissue sample of the aborted fetus is being studied for that possibility.

The same woman suffered a miscarriage about 10 months earlier.

Patel was out on a $750,000 cash bond posted by a number of his friends.

According to court records 49 people made contributions to the bond. One check was in the amount of $115,000.

That bond is now in danger of being forfeited if Patel is not located.

Dan Wilson writes for the Appleton Post-Crescent
Dang! Here's the article where he got arrested in the first place. Evidently, she says he's done it before with previous pregnancies, and she stayed with him and got pregnant again!! How stupid can you be?

That's like having a vicious dog that attacks your child. Your child has to have stitches and is traumatized, but you keep the dog anyway, because maybe it was an accident???

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Posted November 30, 2007

Use of abortion pill leads to arrest; Town of Kaukauna man charged after woman claims drink spiked with RU-486 By Dan Wilson
Post-Crescent staff writer

APPLETON — The evidence against Manishkumar M. Patel, a 34-year-old Town of Kaukauna man charged with attempting to cause his pregnant girlfriend to abort by slipping her a drug known as RU-486, was found in a smoothie.


That's one of the details that emerged Thursday in what is thought to be the first case in the United States in which someone has been charged with trying to cause the abortion of a fetus by spiking the mother's food or drink with an abortion pill.


"These allegations are devious, diabolical and disturbing," said Outagamie County Court Commissioner Brian Figy when he set Patel's bond for $750,000.


Patel, who authorities say owns an interest in several Fox Valley convenience stores, is accused of mixing into his girlfriend's smoothie the drug Mifepristone, more commonly known as RU-486, during a Sept. 17 visit to an ice cream parlor after dinner at a restaurant.


Suspecting that Patel had spiked the smoothie, which contained a powdery substance, the Kaukauna woman, 39, declined to drink it and later sent it out for testing, according to a criminal complaint and search warrant filed Thursday in Outagamie County Circuit Court.


Her suspicion stemmed in part from an earlier incident, in November 2006, when Patel had given her a glass of milk he said contained saffron, according to the complaint. The next morning she became violently ill and expelled a 14-week-old fetus.


Ten months later, in September, the woman miscarried a second time. She blames Patel for both miscarriages, according to the complaint, though he is not charged in connection with either.


Patel is charged with attempted first-degree intentional homicide of an unborn child; second-degree reckless endangerment; placing foreign objects in edibles; possession of prescription drugs; stalking; burglary; possession of burglary tools; and two counts of violating a restraining order.


The burglary charge stems from his allegedly entering the woman's residence while she was out.


Patel faces up to 94 years in prison and extended supervision if convicted.

On Wednesday police seized papers, a computer, a cell phone, a GPS unit believed to be used to track the woman's movements, packaging material and "prescription medication" labeled as Mifepristone, according to the search warrant.

The relationship between the woman and Patel, who is married, started in 1999, according to court documents.


Twice the woman became pregnant by Patel, and twice she miscarried.

In November 2006, when she was 14 weeks into her pregnancy, she and Patel returned to her residence after dining out and Patel offered her milk he said had saffron in it. He was insistent, she said, so she drank it.


The next morning she became ill, started vomiting and expelled the 14-week-old fetus. The documents do not indicate if she sought medical attention.


She confronted Patel over the baby's death but he denied having anything to do with it.

In August 2007, the woman became pregnant a second time.


On Sept. 17, she and Patel went to dinner and later for ice cream. He went into the store and ordered a smoothie and two cups. She saw him split the drink and stir it.

When Patel came out and gave her one of the cups, she declined to drink it. Instead she kept it and took it home. She noticed a powdery substance in the cup.


On Sept. 30 the woman miscarried again. She sent the smoothie sample out to a lab for testing and it tested positive for RU-486.


After the sample came back positive, the alleged victim was granted a four-year restraining order against Patel on Nov. 12 by Court Commissioner Lisa Beth Vander Maazen.


In the woman's three-page petition, she claims she feared for the safety of herself and their 3-year-old son.


In November 2006, while she was pregnant, Patel struck her in the face with the back of his hand during a fight, according to the petition.


The woman did not file a report with police, she said, because she feared her parents would be disappointed if they discovered she was having an affair with a married man.

The charges Patel faces currently are not the first. In 2004, he was charged with domestic abuse disorderly conduct after he got in a fight with his wife. She claimed he pushed her backwards, causing her to fall and hit her head on a wall.


The charges eventually were dropped as part of a deferred prosecution agreement.

In December 2005, Patel was charged in Outagamie County with fourth-degree sexual assault and bail jumping for violating his bond in another case.


The complaint alleged that in October 2005, Patel assaulted a woman at the Northland Motel, where she was working as a manager. The case went to trial and a jury found Patel not guilty.


Police arrested Patel at 8:40 p.m. Tuesday outside the woman's residence, where he was sitting in his car.


Officers found a pair of binoculars, a lock-picking device and a device used to disguise the voice when making a call on a cell phone.

Dan Wilson: 920-993-1000, ext. 304, or dwilson@postcrescent.com


 
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Re: Double-Standards Much?

Simple, she is a person consisting of two parts. And someone is allowed to commit suicide or kill part of themselves (at least where I live), but someone else isn't. The foetus isn't a separate person.

At least that's what I would say if I were a feminist.



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Re: Double-Standards Much?

Where I live suicide is illegal but abortion is fine unless the mother wants the baby and *wamo* it turns from fetal tissue to a baby instantly. Amazing huh?


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Re: Double-Standards Much?

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Well they got that right!



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Simple, she is a person consisting of two parts. And someone is allowed to commit suicide or kill part of themselves (at least where I live), but someone else isn't. The foetus isn't a separate person.

At least that's what I would say if I were a feminist.

"My body my choice" - except that a foetus is more than just her tissue, it has been fertilized and started the journey towards human life

When a women loses unfertilized eggs then of course they are part of her (she was born with them)



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Re: Double-Standards Much?

The man gave up the rights to his sperm when he gave it to the woman. If I give a woman a piece of cake to eat, do I have the right to demand it back once consumed? No, I gave it willingly and it has become a part of her.

He, this feminist impersonating is fun. All you have to do is patently ignore any male interest, value or viewpoint.


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The man gave up the rights to his sperm when he gave it to the woman. If I give a woman a piece of cake to eat, do I have the right to demand it back once consumed? No, I gave it willingly and it has become a part of her.

He, this feminist impersonating is fun. All you have to do is patently ignore any male interest, value or viewpoint.
And the sanctity of human life.


 
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The man gave up the rights to his sperm when he gave it to the woman. If I give a woman a piece of cake to eat, do I have the right to demand it back once consumed? No, I gave it willingly and it has become a part of her.

He, this feminist impersonating is fun. All you have to do is patently ignore any male interest, value or viewpoint.

Of course, only females have "rights."

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Re: Double-Standards Much?

Things will never be perfectly equal between men and women because men and women are different. I think there's a much better solution to this: men should have the right to commit "virtual abortions" or to put that another way, men should have a right to refuse to be parents - the same right that women enjoy.

The reason this guy tried to abort his child is that he knew he would be forced to pay child support for a kid he would not be allowed to raise. If we could change the legal situation - if we could fix the underlying problem of men being forced to pay for children that they have no part in raising - then we would change the social climate that leads to guys putting abortion drugs into girls' drinks.

So here's what I'm proposing: a male has nine months from the time he is notified of a pregnancy or an existing child, to declare that he doesn't want it. After that, he cannot be made to pay any child support - but he also gives up any visitation rights.

Now that's fair. It's not perfect, and it's not equal, but it's definitely fair. I think there'd be a lot fewer unwanted children this way.


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Things will never be perfectly equal between men and women because men and women are different. I think there's a much better solution to this: men should have the right to commit "virtual abortions" or to put that another way, men should have a right to refuse to be parents - the same right that women enjoy.

The reason this guy tried to abort his child is that he knew he would be forced to pay child support for a kid he would not be allowed to raise. If we could change the legal situation - if we could fix the underlying problem of men being forced to pay for children that they have no part in raising - then we would change the social climate that leads to guys putting abortion drugs into girls' drinks.

So here's what I'm proposing: a male has nine months from the time he is notified of a pregnancy or an existing child, to declare that he doesn't want it. After that, he cannot be made to pay any child support - but he also gives up any visitation rights.

Now that's fair. It's not perfect, and it's not equal, but it's definitely fair. I think there'd be a lot fewer unwanted children this way.
I think you're naive. The State would NEVER give up the income. And SOMEone has to support the mother - she's doing it on her own, after all, poor thing. /sarcasm


 
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