This is a discussion on Circumcision Atrocity Suit Filed Against Coles County Hospital within the Raw deals: A men only club forums, part of the General category; Circumcision Atrocity Suit Filed Against Coles County Hospital MATTOON, Ill., Jul. 18 /PRNewswire/ -- Jul. 18, 2007 MATTOON, Ill., July ...
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~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~ ~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~ ~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~ ~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~ ~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~ ~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices. Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~ | ||||
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Malpractice can and does happen with many medical procedures. The parents were right to file a malpractice and negligence suit. I've often thought that doctors should not be the ones performing circumcisions, I doubt they do enough of them to be skilled in it, and I don't even know what their training is like. A Jewish mohel (ritual circumciser) is specially trained in ONLY circumcision, and does NOTHING BUT circumcisions, every day, year in and year out. Non-Jews can use the services of Jewish mohelim, Prince Charles and every other male member of the British Royal Family has used Jewish mohelim for centuries, as I understand it. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]"I just owe almost everything to my father and it's passionately interesting for me that the things that I learned in a small town, in a very modest home, are just the things that I believe have won the election." ----former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher "I owe nothing to Women's Lib".--former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher Last edited by IronLady; 28th-September-2007 at 07:40 PM.. | ||||
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The traditional male weapons in the sex war are non-cooperation and flight.The traditional female weapon is celebration of paternity and male responsibility. If women now choose to define this as patriarchal oppression, they are throwing away their best trick. Feminism, in dismantling patriarchy, is simply reviving the underlying greater natural freedom of men. - Geoff Dench 1998 (edited) | ||||||
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Anyone else read that post with tightly crossed legs? "I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of 'Women's Rights', with all its attendant horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were woman to 'unsex' themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings, and would surely perish without male protection." -- Queen Victoria, 1870. | ||||
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no, but i did feel my lil' friend shrink away into the voids of nowhere... thank God I don't need a pee atm, else I'd be struggling for a while to find it.
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On 14th. February 2007, baby Doe was born to one Jane Doe, at the Sarah Bush Hospital, Coles County, Illinois. The following day, baby Doe, was to learn that his mother had taken the decision that it was time for his first lesson in life. On this fateful day he underwent a botched circumcision which resulted in the head of his penis being severed Now, the mother, of baby Doe, is to sue the hospital for $1,500,000. The lawyer, representing her, bemoans the fact that the damages that mother and baby can claim is capped at this figure saying, “Even before the case is tried, a mother and child has been robbed.” Baby Doe has now learned three valuable lessons. He has learned that his mother can, legally, authorise his humiliation and mutilation. Since there is no father mentioned, he has also learned that his father is of complete irrelevance. Lastly, he has learned that although it is he who has been mutilated and likely to suffer for the rest of his life, it is his mother who is the true victim, receiving, both sympathy and any monetary benefits. If baby Doe has a sister he will learn, as he gets older, that mutilation is not performed on baby girls and that it is illegal to do so. He will notice that when his sister falls and hurts herself she will be comforted but when he does so he will be told to toughen up. When his sister hits him and he hits back he will be punished and told that he must never hit a girl whatever the circumstances. He will recognise these things as injustice but will be left under no illusion that as a boy this is what he must expect and accept. He will enter school life and notice that everything is geared towards girls learning and getting ahead. He will start to feel inferior to the girls when the women who teach at the school he attends seem to be praising the little girls and shout at him for fidgeting in class, or for running in the playground. He will not understand how the lessons interest the girls but bore him. His mind will wonder no matter how hard he tries to concentrate. He will learn that if he does not stop fidgeting in class that his mother will have to give him powerful drugs to make him a good little boy, or be removed from the school. As he progresses through school he might learn that even though girls are allowed to touch him, if he touches them she might decide to regard it as unwelcome and even inappropriate for which he could incur a criminal record. He will soon realise that girls are favoured and that extending his education to university might be a mistake It is at this time that he will learn that his life is not as valuable as that of women. In time of war, before he has had the opportunity to vote, he can be drafted, sent off to battle and be expected to die in the name of his country. With any luck this will not be necessary and he will enter the workforce where there are more valuable lessons to be learned. He will, of course, by now be fully indoctrinated into the belief that men have oppressed women for thousands of years and that as a male he is expected to bear the guilt and shame of the horrors perpetrated against women. He will learn that, even though all history and logic tells him otherwise, that if he dares question this he will likely lose his employment. He will learn that he must, at all times, accept this unquestioningly, or suffer the consequences. He will quickly learn that a woman seeking promotion is likely to get her promotion before him. It is now time for the male of the species to suffer further humiliation. He must now approach the female of the species and engage her with whatever charm he posses in the hope of securing a date with her. He will now learn that the female of the species can graciously accept his overtures or cruelly reject him as unworthy of her time. If he has no skill in this matter he will learn that he must be able to offer her something that she might find desirous and therefore able to overlook his clumsiness. If he is lucky he will find someone who will accept him. He may be one of the lucky ones who will share a wonderful life with the woman he loves. What he didn’t realise when he signed the marriage contract was that he was playing Russian roulette, only instead of one bullet in the chamber there were three. If the firing pin lands on one of those bullets he could find that he is ejected from his home denied contact with his children and condemned to be forever in her servitude. He will be cheered by the fact that his name is not William Hetherington whose wife deserted him and the children and ran off with her boyfriend. Following the break up with he boyfriend, and facing the prospect of losing custody of the children and the status accompanying such custody, she proposed to Hetherington that they should be reconciled. The reconciliation provided her with the opportunity of accusing him of marital rape. Hetherington was sentenced to 15-30 years. He will be even more cheered that he is not Matthew Wrinkler, whose wife shot him in the back whilst he slept and who now lies rotting in a grave, forever condemned as an abuser whilst his cold blooded killer is celebrated as a heroin on TV shows. Those lessons in life may not befall him. He may instead be married to an abuser and having been indoctrinated with the mantra that he must never raise his hand to a woman he will quickly learn that he should not even raise his voice to her for fear of being imprisoned. Any man who has gone through this experience will have learned that the word of his wife is sufficient for him to be imprisoned and that he has no defence to her accusations. Any attempt by him to fight the consequences could result in further charges of abuse against his children. He will learn that he must accept this injustice. A man might not have to learn any of the lessons of marriage. Indeed, he may loyally provide and protect his family until his children grow and leave the home only to discover that his wife has decided that she has never loved him and now wants a divorce so that can have the freedom to find herself. What a bummer! He could of course suffer a serious illness when he will again realise that he is of less value than the female of the species. It will be at this time that he realises that the bulk of the taxes he has paid all his life has been spent on women’s health. As he lays dieing he might learn that it is his poor wife who will once again be considered the victim as the impact, on her, of his terrible illness is analysed and agonised over. By this time he may not care and be glad to depart this ‘veil of tears.’ Still, many men will never get passed the first hurdle of romancing the more valued of the species. He may after many years of heart break decide to look abroad for his soul mate. He will then, of course, learn another lesson. He will learn the lesson that the country for which he is expected to fight and die for, value the welfare of foreign women more than its own male citizens. He will also learn that he is considered dangerous to women and that certain measures have been enacted into law to prevent him from seeking his soul mate in foreign lands. It is said that man will, in times of trouble, turn to religion to ease his passage. He will also find that Vaseline helps. But what of baby Doe? I suspect that baby Doe will be spared many of the above lessons. Baby Doe will find that his life has effectively ended when he first realises that he is of absolutely of no use whatsoever to the more valued of the species………thanks mom! pjanus
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Circumcision for boys needs to be banned. It's one of those double standards that it's okay to mutilate the genitalia of boys, but not girls.
~ A man needs a woman like a lion needs a stove. ~ ~ Women deserve only equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. ~ ~ Men are not collectively "guilty" of anything. ~ ~ Never needing to be pregnant is a blessing. ~ ~ Feminist ideology “men have to respect women, but women have no reason to respect men” ~ ~ Everybody makes choices, and nobody should be entitled to special treatment because of those choices. Equal results based on unequal treatment amounts to no kind of equality at all. ~ | ||||
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I'm actually kind of surprised that this procedure is still considered routine. I shudder each time I think of the day our son was circumcized. It would appear that we are lucky that it went off without a hitch. He'll turn 11 tomorrow. If I were to have another son, there is no way we would have him circumcized. Although I'm sure that it's relatively rare that they go wrong, when they do, they go spectacularly wrong. This is a barbaric practice. As far as Jewish circumcision, it does appear to be a much safer procedure. We are, however, not Jewish, and do not have to face such a decision. My gut reaction was that, yes, this is traumatic for the mother, too. And I still think it is. It kills me to see my children in pain. When our daughter shattered her elbow, and I took her in for surgery, it was an awful experience. It was worse for her, I'm sure. But it was bad. As circumcision is evidently still treated as routine, I don't think it's something parents spend a lot of time thinking about. It's just done, like immunizations (although I'm not sure that isn't what caused our son's Asperger's). Then I read what pjanus said: Quote:
Although, I do think you went too far, pjanus, with the remark about his mother being the true victim. The statement about mother and child being injured was legal rhetoric. Yes, it will be difficult for her, but no one can argue that it will be a thousand times worse for her son. Dear God, some of the surgery can't be done until puberty? I cannot even imagine the trauma that poor child will go through, and has already gone through. He is going to need some serious therapy. | ||||
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Hi Kelly, Your remark about immunisation says it all! If the father was suing do you think the lawyer would have said " a father and child was robbed?" Not in a million years. The lawyer could have said - a child was robbed or a child and mother was robbed, but he said a mother and child. He said that because everyone identifies with women being the true victims - not children and certainly not men. So, whether she wants to be the true victim or not, she is. As for no one can argue that it will be a thousand times worse for the real victim, it has already been done by no less than the next President of the USA. "It is women and children who are the true victims of war." Not the soldiers killed, maimed or psychologically damaged, but women and children. All the women, present, agreed with this!
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