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    What I wish I could say to my Multicultural class from Spring, 2011


    I received my course evaluations from you people 13 months ago. They were the worst of my career. One of you even had the temerity to write in comments that I should "get some training in diversity." And I had to do something in September that I've never had to do before: I had to explain to my department chair, 'what happened with thee classes Dr. Roland?

    For a while I could do nothing but writhe in pain and self recrimination at the trauma of reading such caustic things about the course that I tried to teach you. I searched my memory for what I might have said to cause such a reaction. Was it my sense of humor? I try to use that in my classes. It helps keep all of you awake for those 3 hour evening classes. Sometimes it is it is edgy, but never beyond PG-13. And when we started the semester, since there were 14 females and 0 males, I made a mental note to not take too many risks. So that could not be the cause.

    Was it something I said about not having a strong opinion about gay marriage, when a student asked me my opinion?

    Was it me pointing out that our text book had chapters on a dozen other populations, including women, but the authors of the book had nothing to say about men? This despite the fact that men die 4 years earlier than women, and are four times more likely that they will commit suicide? Or was it because I openly wondered whether or not economics was the central issue, rather than race or gender? Or was it mentioning that men can also be the victims of sexism and domestic violence, just like women can? Was that it?

    It must have been. Nothing else that I said that semester was out of the ordinary. I've been teaching that class since 2001, and I know this topic and the issues involved far better than any of you. But I have gotten to the point in my own study and awareness to know that all of the things that you think you know are lies. "Diversity training" my aching bung hole. You are all self righteous bigots, sitting there waiting for me to talk about how all of you are so historically victimized by the 'patriarchy.' You have no goddamned idea what being victimized really means.

    I decided to talk about a very few of these things in class, because I thought I had the credibility to do so. I was returning from sabbatical as the first Fulbright scholar our university has had at our university for 30+ years. And Fulbright has produced more Nobel prizes than any other scholarship program in the world. Yet you nasty princesses decided to be offended, just because I had the courage to speak up for your boyfriend, your fathers, the sons that you will have, and for your brothers.

    Shame...shame on you for learning nothing, and for being unprepared to help 50% of the population.

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    You do realize that the purpose of multicultural courses is to provide space for teachers to elucidate on cultures and marginalized peoples that often go underrepresented in normal history and culture courses? If you wanted to learn about men you could have taken literally any other course at your university.

    Also, I think they take away your official "Fulbright scholar" badge the second you say something like "nasty princesses" like for reals that was the best you could do with that much education? Yet you'll probably ignore this, just because I had the courage to speak up for your girlfriend, your mother, the daughters you will have, and for your sisters.

    Shame on you for not even being willing to learn anything, and for being unprepared to consider the opinions or views of anyone who isn't yourself.

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    Also, I think they take away your official "Fulbright scholar" badge the second you say something like "nasty princesses" like for reals that was the best you could do with that much education? Yet you'll probably ignore this, just because I had the courage to speak up for your girlfriend, your mother, the daughters you will have, and for your sisters.
    The planet is one big deafening microphone which regularly shatters the eardrums of the population about matters concerning women. The comparative male voice is that of a diminutive ant which is shaken by the reverberating message. The gynocentric noise emitted will probably be how far away aliens discover our existence.

    Shame on you for not even being willing to learn anything, and for being unprepared to consider the opinions or views of anyone who isn't yourself.
    'Shaming' tactics won't work on the informed membership here, it's only a red rag to a bull.

    There's 'learning' in the traditional sense where logic, objectivity, experiment and evaluation are encompassed (I know that's blasphemous language to feminists), and then there's being willingly susceptible to an unrelenting propaganda machine that spews out biased ideological propaganda. Feminism works because certain people have a gullible disposition to cultish ideologies and because it facilitates their own bigoted intolerance.
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    Re: What I wish I could say to my Multicultural class from Spring, 2011

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    You do realize that the purpose of multicultural courses is to provide space for teachers to elucidate on cultures and marginalized peoples that often go underrepresented in normal history and culture courses? If you wanted to learn about men you could have taken literally any other course at your university.

    Also, I think they take away your official "Fulbright scholar" badge the second you say something like "nasty princesses" like for reals that was the best you could do with that much education? Yet you'll probably ignore this, just because I had the courage to speak up for your girlfriend, your mother, the daughters you will have, and for your sisters.

    Shame on you for not even being willing to learn anything, and for being unprepared to consider the opinions or views of anyone who isn't yourself.
    You don't speak for me, sweetheart. If you're stupid enough to believe the crap that comes out of your mouth, that's on you. Try thinking for yourself instead of just believing everything they told you at school and in the media.

    Better yet, try reading what is on this site and educating yourself before you say something else stupid. I'm willing to give you a chance, but seriously, start with some facts instead political correctness.

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    Re: What I wish I could say to my Multicultural class from Spring, 2011

    You do realize that the purpose of multicultural courses is to provide space for teachers to elucidate on cultures and marginalized peoples that often go underrepresented in normal history and culture courses?

    And instead of adding to their sense of victim-hood and making them more resentful it sounds like he attempted to temper it by pointing out that life as "average white bloke" isn't quite as chaise longue and grapes as most of these courses would have them believe.

    A bit of balance is usually considered a good thing.



    If you wanted to learn about men you could have taken literally any other course at your university.

    Shame on all those men for doing stuff throughout history ......... bad men, selfish men, how dare they!!
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    realize that the purpose of multicultural courses is to provide space for teachers to elucidate on cultures and marginalized peoples that often go underrepresented in normal history and culture courses? If you wanted to learn about men you could have taken literally any other course at your university.

    Also, I think they take away your official "Fulbright scholar" badge the second you say something like "nasty princesses" like for reals that was the best you could do with that much education? Yet you'll probably ignore this, just because I had the courage to speak up for your girlfriend, your mother, the daughters you will have, and for your sisters.

    Shame on you for not even being willing to learn anything, and for being unprepared to consider the opinions or views of anyone who isn't yourself.
    Wow. I am sorry, whoever you are, but your words are just plain hurtful. I agree with KellyMac...I may be a fellow woman, but your ideas are not my ideas and your prejudices are not my prejudices.

    Pray tell, since it seems you were a student of the class in question;
    How would YOU have taught it? Would you have included men at all? From your post, I'm guessing not...

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    Wow. I am sorry, whoever you are, but your words are just plain hurtful. I agree with KellyMac...I may be a fellow woman, but your ideas are not my ideas and your prejudices are not my prejudices.

    Pray tell, since it seems you were a student of the class in question;
    How would YOU have taught it? Would you have included men at all? From your post, I'm guessing not...
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    You don't speak for me, sweetheart. If you're stupid enough to believe the crap that comes out of your mouth, that's on you. Try thinking for yourself instead of just believing everything they told you at school and in the media.

    Better yet, try reading what is on this site and educating yourself before you say something else stupid. I'm willing to give you a chance, but seriously, start with some facts instead political correctness.
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    Wow. I am sorry, whoever you are, but your words are just plain hurtful. I agree with KellyMac...I may be a fellow woman, but your ideas are not my ideas and your prejudices are not my prejudices.

    Pray tell, since it seems you were a student of the class in question;
    How would YOU have taught it? Would you have included men at all? From your post, I'm guessing not...
    Yes, I would have included men. As this is a multicultural class, not a women's studies class, it seems the aim was to study issues and ideas behind cultures that aren't predominantly Anglo-Saxon men. Depending on the time period that was most important to the curriculum, and the cultures that were the main focus, I would have suggested readings from such authors as W.E.B DuBois, Richard Wright, Langston Hughes, Sherman Alexie, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Jorge Luis Borges, Samuel R. Delany, etc.

    The world is not broken up into people who hate men and people who do not, the world is nothing like that simple. I can dislike the tone and attitude of the original poster - as to me he sounded much like a child who had not gotten his way - that does not signify that I am single minded in my dislike, nor that I cannot recognize and enjoy works by men.

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    Yes, I would have included men. As this is a multicultural class, not a women's studies class, it seems the aim was to study issues and ideas behind cultures that aren't predominantly Anglo-Saxon men.
    A 'culture' must include both men and women, otherwise it cannot be described as so. Are you saying the multicultural class does study Anglo-Saxon women, but not men?

    Given how thoroughly integrated feminism is within every subject throughout academia, besides gender/women's studies and social sciences, it matters not the name of the course, for it's ideology permeates every conceivable subject, no matter how obscure or seemingly unrelated. The credibility of academic subjects then become secondary to being utilized as platforms to disseminate propaganda. Students are then reduced to being empty vessels to which ideology is poured in.
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    The credibility of academic subjects then become secondary to being utilized as platforms to disseminate propaganda. Students are then reduced to being empty vessels to which ideology is poured in.
    I do believe this was the original idea, my friend.
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    A 'culture' must include both men and women, otherwise it cannot be described as so. Are you saying the multicultural class does study Anglo-Saxon women, but not men?
    I know it's tempting to be overly concerned with semantics when engaged in debate, so I'll allow this an answer. Though I'm not certain of the content of the course in question, said course may not have chosen to include women of European descent in their discussion. However, if we're to look at the OED's definition of "culture:"

    The distinctive ideas, customs, social behaviour, products, or way of life of a particular nation, society, people, or period. Hence: a society or group characterized by such customs, etc.


    You'll see that there's no condition that it be comprised of a certain number of genders.


    Given how thoroughly integrated feminism is within every subject throughout academia, besides gender/women's studies and social sciences, it matters not the name of the course, for it's ideology permeates every conceivable subject, no matter how obscure or seemingly unrelated. The credibility of academic subjects then become secondary to being utilized as platforms to disseminate propaganda. Students are then reduced to being empty vessels to which ideology is poured in.
    And no, honestly, feminism hasn't been thoroughly integrated in every subject throughout academia. I'm sorry you had a bad experience reading A Vindication of the Rights Of Women but it's going to be okay, I promise.

    Also, I would be interested to hear what you think of when you think "propaganda."

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    Was it something I said about not having a strong opinion about gay marriage,

    I take it you realise you have flagged your position to the Left which control universities nowadays in the West - you had better recant your poor opinion of gay marriage or they will railroad you; remember when in Rome ...........

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    I can dislike the tone and attitude of the original poster - as to me he sounded much like a child who had not gotten his way.
    You mean like so many women.. specifically feminists do to anything remotely resembling ick - men?


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    that does not signify that I am single minded in my dislike, nor that I cannot recognize and enjoy works by men.
    On the contrary my little tolerance & diversity specialist! It PROVES it.

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    I'm a whiny far left, cretin who lives in a fantasy land and jaded perspective of history fed to me at a young age by even whinier, far left, cretins.
    I have to ask, how does it make you feel to acknowledge that without white, anglo-saxon, straight men you'd still be fingering your asshole eating what comes out whilst dancing round a fire giving praise to the sungod making monkey noises in Africa?

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