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    The War for the West


    Are you ready? Strap in.

    Here we go again- another case of me always being the last to know some things. Last night, I got a message through one of the many groups I belong to, which discussed the famous "Southern Poverty Law Center"- a group in Alabama that claims to be a "watchdog" for "hate groups."

    In reality, as I have long known, but only now feel the need to say, the group itself is staffed from the top levels down by racist "anti-racist" African-Americans (formerly called "blacks" before the current tide of political correctness hit us.)

    There was a time when I thought maybe the SPLC was doing some sort of good work as a watchdog organization- but as time has passed, I have become aware that their guiding ideology is nothing more than hatred of anything that casts Europeans or European-Americans (once called "whites" before the current tide of political correctness hit us) in a positive light, or celebrates the European and Western cultural values that have made our civilization as great as it is.


    And the SPLC has rankled my last nerve by linking to an article that vilifies the Lord of the Rings trilogy- the recent hit movies made by Pete Jackson, based on J.R.R. Tolkien's great works- as "eurocentric", "patriarchal" and racist. They didn't do this recently; the article was written as the final movie in the trilogy was in theaters- but I didn't become aware of it until now. And well, when anger hits you, there's no time like the present!

    In the past, I'd take a lot of crap without speaking up- the pervasive miasma of "White Man's Guilt" affected me like it affected most white males, owing to the programming I received at the hands of the media and the American radical left. But times, they are-a-changin', and they've been changing. My eyes are open now to what is happening in my life in a way they haven't been before.

    This doesn't mean that I'm ready to start goose-stepping, but I am ready to say what I feel needs to be said, despite the fallout that may occur when the knuckle-dragging politically-correct morons catch a small wind of my rant.


    Let me start by saying that J.R.R. Tolkien's work was an amazing body of literature, winner of dozens of prestigious awards and declared by many in national polls to be the greatest work of fiction of the twentieth century. Although Tolkien was a devout Catholic, his knowledge of Old English and Anglo-Saxon literature and the mythologies of the Germanic peoples of Europe was profound (he was a philologist and professor, after all) and his work drew on some of the most enduring mythical and spiritual aesthetics that inform European civilization.

    It is my complaint that his Christianity led him to create a world and worldview in which an over-simplistic and unqualified dualistic vision of "good vs. evil" exists (which in Tolkien almost always equates with "beautiful vs. ugly") instead of the more authentic Heathen worldview which underlies the mythologies- one where Gods and Giants do struggle against one another, representing forces of order and chaos, but with a clear notion that both sides are necessary to the cosmic wholeness and unfolding.

    But we can overlook much when we look at the way Professor Tolkien's work regenerated so much latent power and imagination that was locked in the soul of the West! Thanks to his work, the entire field and genre of High Fantasy was born- bringing fresh imagination and enjoyment of its sacred realms to countless people.

    To be fair, Tolkien's work has always had a bumpy reception- but the article linked by the SPLC crosses the line in a rather absurd way, in my view.

    The Pale Patriarchal Penis People Strike Again OH NOES!!

    The article that inspired this response of mine was written by Andrea Lewis, a San Francisco based writer, who decided that the final installment of the Lord of the Rings trilogy- "The Return of the King" needed to be called "The Return of the Patriarchy."

    I couldn't find the original article at "tolerance.org"- the laughable name of the SPLC website- (their search feature really sucks) but I was able to find it easily enough through a Google search at another "tolerance" related website here.


    What problems did Ms. Lewis have with the movie? What could have inspired the SPLC to link to her? I'll let her speak for herself:

    "The "Rings" films are like promotional ads for those tired old race and gender paradigms that were all the rage back in author J.R.R. Tolkien's day. Almost all of the heroes of the series are manly men who are whiter than white. They are frequently framed in halos of blinding bright light and exude a heavenly aura of all that is Eurocentric and good. Who but these courageous Anglo-Saxon souls can save Middle Earth from the dark and evil forces of the world?"

    ...Because you know, we can't have anything that seems too white or "Anglo-Saxon" being portrayed as heroic. Why, we'd be pushing a harmful "Heroic White Guy Stereotype"! And the last thing we want young white males today seeing is a movie that might put it in their heads that they, too, can be heroes, fighting for good causes, being self-sacrificing and brave.

    Could those "old race and gender paradigms" have a role in why Western culture survived and succeeded as well as it did? I believe that anyone who digs deep enough- and isn't a devoted ideological and racist enemy of European-born cultures- will see that similar "paradigms of race and gender" have existed across the globe; the idea that other "races" were of lesser value or equality did not begin or end with European cultures- that attitude is found, historically, in Asia, Native America, and Africa, too, throughout all ages.

    The notion of "gender roles" has seen a lot of variance, but again, Europe wasn't the only place women were expected (in many areas) to take on motherly roles, and to avoid fighting. Tolkien wasn't being racist when he wrote the world of Middle-Earth the way he did; he was being true to an authentic historical tradition, to add realism to his setting.


    Ms. Lewis apparently takes the "war on white" so seriously that even white hair is a problem:

    "On the good side, even the mighty wizard Gandalf the Grey (Ian McKellen) is sanitized and transformed from the weed-smoking, rather dingy figure we first meet in the "The Fellowship of the Ring," into Gandalf the White, who, by the time of "Return of the King," has become a powerful military leader complete with pure white hair and an Eisenhower attitude."

    It's amusing to me that a man like Eisenhower, who risked his life leading armies to help overthrow a true racist menace like NAZI GERMANY, has a name that is now used by an ethnic woman as a slur. And it's especially amusing that Gandalf should be a more appealing character to her when he was "dingy and weed-smoking." White characters that are too clean-cut are a menace!

    Ms. Lewis continues her racist manifesto/movie critique by introducing us to a movie and a trilogy that she does enjoy: The Matrix. Since this is the best part of her article, I'll have to let her explain why she likes it so much more:

    "Say what you will about the convoluted storyline of the "Matrix" trilogy. At least those films give women and people of color some characters they can relate to.

    From its earliest scenes, "The Matrix" flips mainstream Hollywood's minority representation manual on its head. A multi-cultural group of hackers dressed in black leather and sporting funky hairdos are our heroes; Secret Service-type "agents" in suits and ties are the bad guys. Neo, the trilogies' central figure, is played by mixed-race actor Keanu Reeves. His savior and mentor is Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne), a powerful leader who also happens to be a black man. The wisest figure in "The Matrix" is The Oracle, a warm and witty African American woman. The films are also infused with a strong sense of Asian style and culture, exemplified by the character Seraph (Collin Chou), the Oracle's protector, who is both a martial arts expert and Buddhist meditation practitioner.

    ...Most of the really bad guys in "The Matrix" are Eurotrash, including the very snobby Merovingian (Lambert Wilson) with his French accent, the dread-locked, very British albino twins (Neil and Adrian Rayment) and the Oracle's evil counterpart, The Architect, (Helmut Bakaitis), a rather stuffy and pompous white guy with white beard and white suit who reeks of imperialism."


    The message is clear: so long as the villains are all white, and the heroes are black or multi-racial, we have a real festival of wholesome goodness on our hands! And it always helps to have a smooth Asian theme, to take the edge off of that oppressive Western feel.

    From top to bottom, this woman makes it clear that any positive portrayal of Europeans or white people is not desirable. Black actors were cast in movies early in the 20th century and often totally presented as caricatures of real black people, and presented as oafish or undereducated or criminal, or just servants of whites- and I'm willing to bet that Ms. Lewis has screeched about the deeply ingrained racism of this fact somewhere in her other writings.


    Apparently, the hate-card doesn't have two sides in Ms. Lewis' mind. If I had to guess, I'd guess that she believes that the historical wrongs of European and American cultures against other races and cultures now gives those others permission to engage in the same rampant racism and discrimination right back, to "balance the scales a bit".

    Unfortunately for her, and for all of the racists like her, it doesn't work that way.

    Ms. Lewis spends a good deal of time complaining that Lord of the Rings presented few strong female characters, and praising the Matrix for presenting lots of hot female ass-kickers- and I noticed that a woman's race is unimportant. She praises Carrie-Anne Moss (Trinity) for her role as a strong woman, even though Carrie-Anne Moss is certainly "whiter than white."

    Lewis' war, it seems, is not just on white men, but on "patriarchy"- a catch term used to criticize deep patterns in European-born cultures these days, but which is a cultural feature found all over the world- very strongly in Asia, and also in Africa, where it has existed from the earliest of days.
    I'm not saying that "patriarchy is perfect"- but I am saying that the issue isn't so one-sided as radicals like to present, particularly not when they have their own agenda beneath it all. That agenda- held consciously and even unconsciously- is power- the same motivation they claim to hate in the "patriarchy."

    People reading me may wonder if I'm being a touch unfair. I don't see anything wrong with women or people of different ethnicities desiring to see strong, positive presentations of their own "kind". But must these presentations also accompany dismal presentations of other cultures or ethnicities? Why is the praise of one forever conflated with the detriment of another?

    I think Nietzsche said it best when he discussed the "will to power" inside of cultures and even races- and individuals. When one person or group is repressed, their natural human will to power is not repressed; it simply seeks a new outlet. The capacity in human beings to twist and bend realities to suit their expression of power is amazing- our entire sense of "morality" in the west, he believed, was about that will to power emerging in ways that seem paradoxical.

    I can't go into that here, but I can say with near metaphysical certainty that these "politically correct" movements are not movements that have everyone's best interests at heart. They have a certain, select group's best interests at heart- and that group is not the mainstream.

    That group is the rag-tag union of all people who don't have the numbers and historical power to match the powerful mainstream, and their cries for "tolerance" (which are almost always a joke, bearing in mind their own personal intolerance) and their cries of "racism" and "insensitivity" are not as purely innocent as they seem.


    These people are just as power-hungry and desirous of expressing their own personal power as the mainstream; they are every bit as racist and culturally elitist as the mainstream. There are no "good guys" in this game, just people who are better or worse at manipulating politics and opinions, stuck amid many people who are being marginalized for the crime of belonging to a majority group.

    Why am I even making such a big deal out of this woman's article? Because an organization with the size and political power of the Southern Poverty Law Center linked to her and held her article up as representative of what sort of ideological thinking motivates them. The SPLC made this opinion piece into a piece of support for their perspectives and worldview, and that's when it came to my attention. And this is just the last in a long line of crap I've seen them pull, all in the name of "tolerance".

    Their "tolerant world" has no place for white males like me. When I do well in life, it's not because I went to school and worked for years to get the good grades and advanced education I got- it's because I am riding on the back of the white male patriarchy that hands me the world. When a person from a non-white ethnicity does well, gets out and works, it's because they had drive, ambition, and bravery to face the deep hatred that the "man" has for them.

    But no one handed me anything; I worked hard. Despite what these people think, there is no "white people club" out there, where all whites secretly share a bond of help and brotherhood. People with "white" skin have stood in my way on every level, in the pursuit of my goals. I'm just more competition for them, and for everyone.

    A deeper issue emerges here: what they call "culture war". That phrase means many things to many people, but now, I know what it means to me. Western culture- the culture designed and shaped by Europeans, in large part- is now marked for destruction, by forces outside of it, and by forces that are within it.

    The forces that want to destroy it are not heroic avengers of "past wrongs"- they are not great "equalizers"- they are following the same blind urge to power that the "European villains" once followed to succeed as well as they did.
    They just aren't as good at it, outwardly, as Europeans were historically, so their tactics have intuitively evolved to continue the fight in a new form.

    It's all the same thing- the justifications have just changed. There's a new tune of justification, a new battle-hymn, wrapped in notes of resilient sadness and the long-suffering "nobility" of the "downtrodden." The hymn sounds different, but it seeks to establish an empire all the same.

    For me, this is not at all a racial issue- it is a cultural one. The people who still want to see this situation in terms of “race” are usually part of the problem. This is about something far greater than race- it’s about cultures of liberty versus cultures of tyranny, and both of those cultures contain many people of many different racial backgrounds.



    The force that threatens Western culture from the outside in these days is Islam; the forces that are within are people like Ms. Lewis, and the SPLC, and all of the radical left who, while enjoying the liberties that a bunch of dead white men bequeathed to them, seek to destroy the entire edifice, to replace it with one where they have power and authority. And their justification for this cultural genocide? The history of wrongs inflicted by some Westerners on others in the past.

    When I was in high school, I read "Sundiata: An Epic of Old Mali", the story of a king of Mali who had to journey across his land fighting against evil sorcerers and monsters, to regain his birthright. I really loved the book- in the (very African-African) hero Sundiata, I saw the nobility of the Hero archetype from many cultures. Race was never a consideration for me. I found the same thing when I read the Iliad, and when I read other books that contained eternal visions of heroes.

    It never would have occurred to me to criticize the Epic of Sundiata because it was too "Afro-centric." Sundiata's "manliness" never offended me or bothered me. I didn't think of Sundiata in my head as "blacker than black" and make some leap to this being a bad thing. Why? Because I love the hero, whatever his color- he represents the wall of safety that stands between his people (or her people, for there are female heroes from even early mythologies) and the cultural destruction of their people. Because the book "Sundiata", like the "Iliad" or "Lord of the Rings" isn't about race. It's about culture and cultural conflict.

    The political correct-o's will say that I'm an enfranchised white male who has only reaped the rewards of Western white culture, and never had to endure its negative backlash. But they'd be doing precisely what they accuse "racists" of doing- judging me by my appearance.

    Some of my ancestors- my Irish ancestors particularly- endured the scorn of Americans when they came to this country. The Irish particularly were mistreated, and died poor, overworked, and malnourished in many places. No one denies that Western societies (in common with all human societies) have historically contained elements of unfairness and inequality, or that they continue to do so, in ways.


    But we are more than our history, and we always have been more than our history. Western culture cannot be measured solely on the basis of what some government policies at some times have been.

    In the day and age where an African-American man sits on the throne of the President, we have to consider that Western culture contains more than just a difficult human history- it contains VALUES that are crucial to the survival of liberty in this world. It always contained those values, for they could not have emerged from nowhere, and they didn't just emerge during recent civil rights movements.



    The days of the Greeks and Romans, and the Celtic and Germanic peoples gave us a few things that some might consider important: democracy, government by the representatives of the people, pluralism and cultural/religious tolerance as a social cornerstone, the root of humanism, limitations on the powers of kings, and trial by jury, A few other pesky things like the origins of natural and physical sciences come to mind- as well as the medical profession.

    And these values are still with us- even the dark power of organized religion couldn't destroy them or stamp them out for good, and the fringe lunatic protestants that flowed from the church (many of whom today still oppose science and pluralistic tolerance) can't stop them.

    As a culture- we westerners- we believe in Liberty. Our women aren't placed under long drapes of cloth, not able to feel the sun or wind in their hair. Our women aren't socially (or actually) killed when they have sex outside of wedlock, or just happen to be raped without enough witnesses to prove that they weren't being "immoral".


    Our women don't have to have their brothers or fathers to escort them around in public. Our women can drive cars. They can own businesses, property, and go to school as much and as long as they like. We aren't jailed for having pictures of naked women, or executed by hanging in public squares for being homosexual.

    We don't slice people's hands off for stealing, nor do we execute women for "witchcraft". Thanks to the Chrisitan and pagan phase of our history, we once did some idiot things, but we outgrew it- we evolved- we had a cultural and secular “enlightenment” that Islamic culture is yet to have.


    We can all state our opinions in public. We can have any religion we want, or no religion. We can read whatever we want, write whatever we want. Our leaders have massive checks and balances on their power, and our political offices change hands constantly, to stop any one person or group from getting power and keeping it. Policies that we don't like can be voted down, or voted out within a few years time.

    THIS is what the West has done for the world- it has stood for, and achieved, liberty. Liberty, like Justice, is a high-level virtue and dream that must be fought for, and it is a powerful struggle to maintain it. But we've done it. And every Westerner has a right to be proud- whether you can claim the founding fathers of the Western world as your genetic ancestors OR your cultural ancestors (or both) they are still your Forefathers, and their legacy is yours, too.

    But Islamic culture would, at a moment's notice, see this all wiped away. I say "Islamic culture" because even in the so-called "liberal" Islamic nations, some or all of the horrors I listed above are prominent. This isn't just over-generalization. The political correct-o's love to say "Islam" and "Radical Islam", as though there was a difference- but all Islam is radical, when compared to the secular and liberty-loving West.

    Muslim radicals are not the "fringe" of Islam. When most Americans hear of disasters in Muslim countries, they are appalled. Our government always offers aid. When 9/11 happened, Muslims worldwide danced in the streets- as a surprising spokesman will mention at the end of this article. Some people will try to qualify what I am saying here as hate speech, but it is far beyond such a simplistic thing.

    It's shock speech; it's the shock that everyone should feel when they realize that Western culture is facing a foe, a fierce and determined cultural foe that does not share its belief in liberty, and the West isn't doing too well right now- partly because we've had our "white heroes" taken from us, and seen those same heroes called "racist" or "patriarchal". Tolkien's "Heroes of the West" are not just fixtures from his stories. They are an almost prophetic call to stand up for what the West means, before it is lost.

    We need to stop allowing people to be shamed and insulted just because their forefathers were white and successful. This is not "racism"- this is my culturally-ingrained sense of pride and fairness talking. This is me demanding that I be treated for my own merits, not just the fact that I am a descendant of these great men.

    There is no shame being a part of Western culture, and especially no shame in being genetically related to the people who originally created it. They made a luminous light for the whole world, and without them, this world would not be what it is. The value of liberty would not exist as it does now.
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    That's a really superb piece of writing SB. I'd like to add something about Islam:

    Wake up Europe! These people say they want to take over your country. Why are you not believing that they are sincere? Why are you pretending that they will all change their minds when they settle down with a few wives and a few dozen kids?

    Why are you assuming that Muslims will become integrated when you can see third generation Muslim immigrants in burqas and niqabs advocating polygamy and having more children than the previous generation? Where is the evidence that Muslims are integrating and absorbing European norms and values? Only middle class Muslims are integrating, to some degree, that's a minority's minority.

    Islam is a dangerous religion. The religious have to take on board the idea that there is such a thing as a dangerous religion, a religion which destroys freedom and perverts human motivations. All religions have some potential to damage society but clearly they vary and their effects vary. The religious need to be woken up out of their complacency and led to the understanding that religion is not something which is universally benign and good in infinite amounts. You can have too much religion and you can have a bad religion. Islam is dangerous because it is so conducive to the killing of liberty, the denial of freedom and the crushing of dissent. Even quite mild religions such as Anglicanism can create intolerable conditions for those who don't fit in. It was the domination of Anglicanism which lead to the Puritans leaving and setting up home in America. It is the fear of being swamped by the Roman Catholic Church which motivates the Protestant paramilitary organizations in Northern Ireland. When people see somebody else's religion about to impinge on their freedom they become moved to act. Unless they are spineless appeasers like the Labour Party and Prince Charles.

    The aspirations of Islamic militants are hardly secret. They really do want to take over the whole world. They have a clear agenda of building a new Caliphate, an Islamic empire, in which Islam will make all the laws and only Islam or other religions of the book will have a place. Polytheists and atheists will not have the status of citizens, or even humans. This Caliphate will begin with traditionally Muslim states but will expand to take in Europe and eventually America too. They are not patiently waiting for the end of the world they believe and teach that this will come to pass and it will require jihad, holy war, to achieve. They welcome war, struggle, violence, conquest and martyrdom. Islamic texts describe migration as a strategy for conquest. In what way is this not alarming? In what way is it reasonable to treat Muslims as just another harmless religion who will happily and peacefully coexist with other religions? It isn't. The Qur'an gives them clear instructions to use the idea of tolerance of religion so they can be tolerated until they are in a position to attack and then there is no room for tolerance. Allah has no desire to allow tolerance for those who deny him. Muslims are required, not allowed, required, to engage in holy war to spread Islam by the sword. Of course the all wise all knowing Allah's final prophet was unable to prophesy the coming of guns so Islam will always be dominated by men with beards and swords.

    Pretending that Islam is just the same as Methodism or Zen Buddhism is complacent and ignorant of the reality. Some religions are slow-growing and benign and some are malignant. Over time religions can change from one mode of expansion to another. Christianity started out as a secretive cult, it became aggressive, assertive and obnoxious and at that time was selected by the Roman Empire as possibly useful. This was a fatal move for the Roman Empire and its civilization as its mechanisms were used to expand the reach of the religion and the civilization fell. Islam didn't start until all this was history. Muhammad knew from the history of Rome that religions and empire can go together. If a religion could conquer an empire why not create one? Surely this is the megalomaniac charlatan's ultimate wet dream: founding both an empire and a religion, having power over men, their minds, their souls their women, their little girls and the posterity of the entire species. Ruling the world. Like Fu Manchu and every Bond villain. Ruthless determination, asceticism, fanatical followers, he even liked cats.

    Centuries later that nineteenth century American charlatan Joseph Smith deliberately, consciously and openly modelled his new religion on the cult of Muhammad. What other model could possibly be better to use? Muhammad is without doubt the single most influential man who ever lived. That is simply a fact. Many things may be done in the name of Jesus but his actual teachings have been more venerated than observed and implemented. Which is just as well, have you read that stuff? Crazy family-splitting socialist nutter with a personality cult to die for. In contrast the law laid down by Muhammad continues to shape outcomes in the world today, his words live on, his imperial plans live on and his memetic and genetic legacy lives on. Genghis Khan sowed more wild oats and controlled more land, and in turn allowed Islam to sweep through the empire he had carved out, Alexander conquered more civilizations but nobody today follows their precepts or strives to implement their orders. More people know the name and ignore the teachings of Jesus but only one man in history has really had a chance of ruling the world for ever and ever.

    The only prospect for world peace for Muslims is Islam, the nightmare scenario of a universal totalitarian religion controlled according to the interpretation of words in an old book, the accounts of a sub-literate man who claimed to be the spokesman on Earth of the one true god. What kind of a god would send a message to a nobody? One that liked the idea of war perhaps, a god who welcomed the prospect of men fighting for centuries trying and failing to do what any god deserving of the label could do in an instant.
    When Islam was expanding at its fastest it was as civilized, rich and powerful as any other civilization on the planet, almost as progressive as Rome had been before Christianity came along and mired it in superstition. The Ottoman Empire conquered the Byzantine Empire which was the successor to the Roman Empire. The Ottomans spread Islam around most of the shores of the Mediterranean. Arabs spread Islam across Africa from the west coast to Zanzibar and around the edge of the Indian Ocean. However there was resistance. In parts of the Balkans where Christianity arrived first Christianity inoculated the people against Islam and they resisted, in their minds heroically, for centuries. Similarly the huge land mass of India was resistant, they had a material and religious culture strong enough to resist the relentless tide of Islam.

    The Muslim's belief that their religion will conquer is based upon a flawed analysis of history. Islam has only managed to conquer lands where there wasn't a strong previous presence of a mature religion, lands which were well away from the cutting edge of science, civilization and progress. Poor lands filled with poor and uneducated peasants: always the perfect fodder for the missionaries of predatory monotheisms. Islam can take over the world's downbeat deadbeat backwaters but since the Byzantine Empire fell Islam's conquests have been decidedly second rate and in that time leadership of the world in terms of military might, civilization, culture and science has moved strongly away from the Islamic world. Islam has been playing in the third division of civilization now for over five hundred years and there is no prospect of that trend ever reversing. Islam is wedded to a pre-scientific past and an anti-scientific world view. Islam has no chance of taking over the world in the way that it did in the past. The Caliphate is an absurd pipe-dream. It could not happen because Muslim nations haven't got a handle on the way the world is operating these days. Islamic scholarship is moribund and useless. The days when Baghdad was at the cutting edge of scholarship are long gone and likely never to return. The world is not going to welcome Islam as a way out of poverty, ignorance and squalor. If anything it is clear that Islam offers an enhanced opportunity for Europe and America to experience more poverty, ignorance and squalor compared with the fruits of modern secular liberalism which are the sweetest man has ever known.

    Islam offers nothing that Europeans want, if it did there would be hundreds of thousands of converts already. There are a few hundred. Islam is strange, foreign and barbaric. Whilst Europeans have been quick to adopt the food of the Islamic world where it has been good little else has been of much interest. Europe has not been afraid of the Islamic world or repelled by it, the Islamic world has simply not had much to offer. If it wasn't for oil how many Europeans would ever have bothered to learn Arabic? About as many as learned Hindi or Sanskrit.

    Islam will not conquer Europe, that is clear, but Islamists will try and they are trying now. It is time Europe woke up and got to grips with this genuine threat. The threat to Europe from Islam is not a threat of terrorism it is the threat of Islam itself. Europe has stood up to much bigger threats than Islamic terrorism without buckling and giving in.
    Islam is by its nature a thoroughly repressive and totalitarian system of thought. Islam means surrender, surrendering freedom and will to the idea of the will of Allah. Islam is surrendering to the interpretation of the diktats of a dead illiterate and ill-educated man from a desert land. It is vitally important that Europe wakes up to this challenge and confronts it, not with violence but with resolution.

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    Hell anyone or anything that is even remotely connected to whites, males and Christianity is considered evil now.

    I am supposed to feel guilty for being white even though I have never owned anyone nor held anyones color against them.

    I am supposed to feel guilty for being male even though I had no control over which of the two genders I was born as.

    And I am supposed to feel guilty for being a Christian because in the 2000 plus year history of Christianity some bad eggs popped up.

    Somehow I personally am responsible for actions that took place before my birth.

    It is typical of leftists to pick groups to villify because if they didn't their victim politics wouldn't work.

    In order to have perpetual victims so they can claim to protect them there must be perpetual villains as well.
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    That's a really superb piece of writing SB.
    Danke, but to be honest, I was kind of guilty to type that. I do have a Muslim friend but... that needed to be said, Islam as a whole is not a freedom loving religion and it would love to get rid of the liberty that the west stands for.

    Hell anyone or anything that is even remotely connected to whites, males and Christianity is considered evil now.
    I agree even though I'm not a Christian(Norse Heathenry has it's own problems in the pagan community), but I am certainly a white male.
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    Somehow I personally am responsible for actions that took place before my birth.
    Another example of liberal hypocrisy: this morally backward concept (known as atavistic guilt) is of course considered utterly disgusting when used as part of religious dogma (i.e. the descendants of Cain, the concept of original sin) which the leftists rail against with merciless, self-righteous wrath. Yet they run off, and from the other side of their hypocritical shit-trumpets blow a load of garbage about white people alive today being responsible for slavery. If it didn't cause real pain, and genuine suffering it would be a joke, but it does. Greater is the need to stamp this disgusting cognitive dissonance out utterly, to condemn it to the ideological scrap-heap with every other dead ideal.

    Try telling a liberal the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ and see how they react - with apoplectic, self-inflating condemnation of the most indulgently bombastic sort. Five minutes later watch them back-slap and cheer this latest moron-spokesmen prattling on about how the Belgians should be paying reparations to central Africa for an event which nobody alive today was involved in. Dick heads.

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    Hell anyone or anything that is even remotely connected to whites, males and Christianity is considered evil now.

    I am supposed to feel guilty for being white even though I have never owned anyone nor held anyones color against them.

    I am supposed to feel guilty for being male even though I had no control over which of the two genders I was born as.

    And I am supposed to feel guilty for being a Christian because in the 2000 plus year history of Christianity some bad eggs popped up.

    Somehow I personally am responsible for actions that took place before my birth.

    It is typical of leftists to pick groups to villify because if they didn't their victim politics wouldn't work.
    The liberal drones need something to hate in order to feel better about their sorry existence, the same way "rabid" atheists need to blame religion for their life's pathetic fuck ups. The mind set of the left has not changed in 5 decades and will not change. They will scheme like flies and fight like gnats to keep their masquerade and insanity running as long as possible.

    The liberal mindset is quite simple.
    1. Ignorance is strength
    2. Work is oppression
    4. Freedom is slavery
    5. War is peace
    6. Individuality is evil.


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    Another example of liberal hypocrisy: this morally backward concept (known as atavistic guilt) is of course considered utterly disgusting when used as part of religious dogma (i.e. the descendants of Cain, the concept of original sin) which the leftists rail against with merciless, self-righteous wrath. Yet they run off, and from the other side of their hypocritical shit-trumpets blow a load of garbage about white people alive today being responsible for slavery. If it didn't cause real pain, and genuine suffering it would be a joke, but it does. Greater is the need to stamp this disgusting cognitive dissonance out utterly, to condemn it to the ideological scrap-heap with every other dead ideal.

    Try telling a liberal the Jews are responsible for the death of Christ and see how they react - with apoplectic, self-inflating condemnation of the most indulgently bombastic sort. Five minutes later watch them back-slap and cheer this latest moron-spokesmen prattling on about how the Belgians should be paying reparations to central Africa for an event which nobody alive today was involved in. Dick heads.
    Um... Catherine's parents are liberals(Christian too) and they are nothing like that, in fact they are probably the coolest people I know. I never seen nicer people, that always seem to go with the flow. I disagree with their politics, but I don't see them blaming others for the misfortune of minorities. However, I will accept that most modern liberals are indeed radical and hypocritical.
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    Um... Catherine's parents are liberals(Christian too) and they are nothing like that, in fact they are probably the coolest people I know. I never seen nicer people, that always seem to go with the flow. I disagree with their politics, but I don't see them blaming others for the misfortune of minorities. However, I will accept that most modern liberals are indeed radical and hypocritical.
    In the past I've mentioned when I use the word liberal, or leftist I mean of the destructive variety. The problem is even the 'good,' liberals generally seem unaware, or at least totally complacent to the fact that their beloved progressive ideology has been hijacked by some of the nastiest, most intolerant and totalitarian despisers of true freedom, and that their platforms are well-funded majority platforms. Not strange extremist antics. They have essentially become the heart, soul and mouthpiece of liberal politics. As a person with many left-wing proclivities myself I feel motivated to shut them up. If that means recognizing the inherent flaws, and ideals of double-think which make liberal politics dangerous when not counter-balanced by a healthy conservative movement then so be it. If Caff's parents are saddened, too bad. Any liberal who speaks out, who stands up, who clearly separates themselves from the fanatical idiots has no reason to fear being condemned by me. I have the same attitude to women who say nothing of the disgusting hatred and inherent bigotry of feminism.

    The key issue with popular liberalism is that is brands all dissent as evil, reactionary hyperbole motivated by hatreds or pathologies. Opposition to multi-cultureless is racist, opposition to feminism is sexist, opposition to the welfare state makes you a man or woman deluded by the plutocratic robber barons. This would be bad enough, but this is then used as an excuse to point-blank silence and push out all persons who oppose them. It is a disgusting mockery of what true liberalism stands for which is freedom. The most vital freedom is the freedom to think for ones self, and to speak ones mind. They would remove this by dictate, going beyond 'politically correct,' and into the realms of 'politically allowable,' indeed there are already many political ideas which are utterly verboten within the national dialogue. No country is free which practises such Orwellian abuses.
    The only ideology which cannot be allowed is the ideology which attempts to stifle thought, to crush opposition, to silence, condemn, drive out, shun, ruin and plague the lives of those who do not march to their tune.

    The inherently platonic nature of liberal politics makes this a certainty when its views are fed to the mob if enough self-congratulatory propaganda can be rattled off to make them believe they're headed for utopia.
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    I am having hot chocolate right now.

    And a last Pipe of tobacco before bed.

    I am hoping that the West will be still here (in the deepest South) in the morning as I have a lunch planned with some friends.

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    If Caff's parents are saddened, too bad. Any liberal who speaks out, who stands up, who clearly separates themselves from the fanatical idiots has no reason to fear being condemned by me.
    My parents have left the Democrat party, and have become independent liberals(they are fiscally liberal, socially libertarian),
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    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

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    My parents have left the Democrat party, and have become independent liberals(they are fiscally liberal, socially libertarian),
    Then why is anyone complaining? It's pretty clear I'm not talking about financial policies (although some of them are bad) but social policies.

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    I think my husband and I misread the intent of your posts.
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit

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    What the West 'runs on' is not so much 'values' or 'spirituality'; it is money.

    Business, trade, commerce. Wealth creation underpinned by productive wealth.

    America is the pre-eminent 'model' of what a country is in existence for. "The business of America, is business".

    But ..... it is a game played by many and lately some do it better.

    The BIG error is to treat money as a commodity in its own right, rather than a means of exchange or of establishing market value.

    Trust. Fiduciary honesty. Vs Corruption, con-jobs.

    Whose values are whose?


    US TREASURY Secretary Timothy Geithner has it backwards. The real question is whether Beijing is willing to double down on a nation whose balance sheet makes Italy look good.
    Holding $US1.2 trillion of US debt is a fast-growing risk to China.

    Traders have a theory about why the euro is reasonably stable amid a broadening debt crisis: Asian central banks are converting proceeds from recent intervention moves into other currencies. ''Asian central banks'' has become a euphemism for China, whose reserves now exceed $US3 trillion.

    China is making deals with nations such as Brazil to conduct trade in yuan. It's also making noises about the US Federal Reserve's zero interest rate policies and Congress playing games with the debt limit.

    If you were managing China's reserves, how many more dollars would you really want in this environment?

    Heck, Beijing is even loading up on Spanish debt these days. ''China's open admission of continual purchases of European debt shows it doesn't consider the US any safer,'' says Simon Grose-Hodge, head of investment strategy for south Asia at LGT Group in Singapore.


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/mounting-us-debt-a-fastgrowing-risk-to-china-20110418-1dlm3.html#ixzz1JvdJf2Ib

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