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You judgmental little twerp. My ears fall on what they want to fall on. Screw you.

Next time you feel like putting yourself in my head, ask me first.,

we are not all about the virtual world. Why don't you pm us and we'll phone you.

I will phone you.

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Quote from samofsons

there are some things I am more comfortable talking to a woman about , likewise there are some things
I am more comfortable talking to a man about.

but at the end of the day nobody likes a whiney bitch.
only folk with money go to counselors and shrinks.

Thank-you for your honesty. If I was our age... but alas I am not

Play nicely, children. This aint a feminist forum, no need to tear each others throats out.

Let's solve this topic: Exactly what is the definition of 'whining' that we're using? So far we've been doting on the meaning on the word, or how it's often used as a feminist shaming technique, but let's define it, and bring this topic closure with an answer to the question.

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only folk with money go to counselors and shrinks.

When I had money I went to counsellors. Now I have no money.

The two are not completely unconnected.

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Let's solve this topic: Exactly what is the definition of 'whining' that we're using? So far we've been doting on the meaning on the word, or how it's often used as a feminist shaming technique, but let's define it, and bring this topic closure with an answer to the question.

Quote from Dictionary

whine
verb, whined, whin·ing, noun

verb (used without object)
1. to utter a low, usually nasal, complaining cry or sound, as from uneasiness, discontent, peevishness, etc.: The puppies were whining from hunger.
2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

verb (used with object)
3. to utter with or as if with a whine: I whined my litany of complaints.

noun
4. a whining utterance, sound, or tone.
5. a feeble, peevish complaint.

I suggest that the whining we are talking about here is mostly that last definition

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feeble
adjective, -bler, -blest.
1. physically weak, as from age or sickness; frail.
2. weak intellectually or morally: a feeble mind.
3. lacking in volume, loudness, brightness, distinctness, etc.: a feeble voice; feeble light.
4. lacking in force, strength, or effectiveness: feeble resistance; feeble arguments.

peevish
adjective
1. cross, querulous, or fretful, as from vexation or discontent: a peevish youngster.
2. showing annoyance, irritation, or bad mood: a peevish reply; a peevish frown.
3. perverse or obstinate.

So, whining is a complaint that is weak (morally, intellectually or forcefully) and that shows annoyance, perversity or obstinence.

I hold to my earlier point: that if all we do is complain about something without actually doing anything about it, we are whining; if we raise an issue and follow it with action or discuss what might be done about it, then we are being activists.

I also went to counseling, and that left a dent in my budget. The said counseling was to deal with my lost connection with my son and how or why it happened, and I had high hopes to fix it. No real conclusion was brought forth but to heap it all on my shoulders. That was a no go. It always takes two to tango for this type of dance.

Then I found a mens group in the form of discussion type. 4 guys and a helmsman.
The guy at the helm of the group was a dynamic Italian guy who really got what I was trying to get out into the stratosphere. He helped me out greatly, but he also said to watch out for my sorry ass cuz I was in deep waters considering the psycho ex.

So I put my head and hands to the grind and followed the only path I know. Values and honesty. I won some form of contact with my boy. To this day my ex will not follow the ruling. So again I find myself back to square one, yet now I have a written piece of paper that binds her to follow court decisions. Not that this phases her in the least.

So the fight will continue until I either quit or she see the light. I have no intentions of quitting, I foresee the next 10 yrs as grim. I long ago just wanted simple communication to raise our child adequately with what we had. Hah! Yeah right! The last straw that broke this camels back was last week. Court papers say I have 4 days consecutive for christmas holidays. She re-nagged on that as well. She thinks I should split my four days to accommodate her and her family. No mention of my family or what we may have planned for the child. Remember, this is all in the best interest of the child after I have spent thousands and hundreds of man hours to get to this point.

Is this whining?

I didn't think honesty and values were not part of the family court equation. I was surprised and still have steel for taste in my mouth from the experience.

Nick, this is not whining. Sounds like you're taking every action you can think of.

How old is your boy?

Quote from KellyMac

@ Nick (and those who hold the same opinion): Things will NEVER be truly equal. They never have been. It isn't in the realm of possibility. If that's what you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever.

If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.

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Quote from julie

"But it falls on deaf ears to the likes of Nick. And for "P", gosh, he doesn't seem to understand the idea of class which doesn't surprise me for isn't from the generation who suffered.

Julie, with all due respect, you've really misjudged Popa. Popa understands the idea of class. Popa understands that you are a woman of a lot of class, Julie.

It just so happens that it is all low class.


You see? It isn't that what people say always falls on deaf ears when it comes to Popa. The fact is that half of the time no one knows whatever the hell you are talking about because you don't make any damned sense and the little we do understand is bollocks. This is what you sound like to Popa most of the time.


Popa also knows that if you had any sugar in that sack of shit that you call a brain your thoughts would be more coherent. So Popa forgives you for your misconception.

Please, for the sake of not being a cock a doodle doofus, from now on would you kindly remove your head from your ass, use a screen reader and put in your hearing aids? Since you can't spell Popadibs when it is right in front of you, maybe you need glasses as well. Oh and don't you ever and Popa means ever call Popa the same name that you call urine.

*Offers Julie cheese with her whine*

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If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.

That would make me laugh if I didn't think you were at least half serious. Let me tell you something, having one half of the human race lord (or lady) it over the other does not work and cannot work. As you well know.

We cannot survive, one without the other. Creationism says we were all created in the image of God. Even Jesus had women on his team - in an extremely patriarchal culture. Evolutionism says we all evolved together. Can't do it alone, buddy.

Do you want equal rights and equal treatment, or do you want to run the show? That's something I really need to know when I choose my teammates.

Quote from KellyMac

Do you want equal rights and equal treatment, or do you want to run the show? That's something I really need to know when I choose my teammates.

Quote from KellyMac

@ Nick (and those who hold the same opinion): Things will NEVER be truly equal. They never have been. It isn't in the realm of possibility. If that's what you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever.

How can you ask me if I want equal rights and equal treatment after telling Nick that things will never truly be equal? What does it matter what I want if it's not possible?

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How can you ask me if I want equal rights and equal treatment after telling Nick that things will never truly be equal? What does it matter what I want if it's not possible?

Now you're deliberately misunderstanding me, and you're showing your maturity. If I must explain:

True equality would mean we all do all the tasks in making a life and society, and we do them all equally well. That isn't possible, even among members of your own, superior (according to you), gender.

Equal rights would mean that we all have the same opportunity to meet the same standards. Anyone who can meet them, earns whatever reward was on offer.

Equal treatment would mean that if we make the same mistakes or commit the same crime or do the same level of work, we get the same outcome - whether prison sentence or wage.

Keep in mind, we're dealing with human beings here, who are by definition imperfect. So if a mistake is made in the equal rights/equal treatment arena, it doesn't negate the concept.

Clear enough?

Quote from KellyMac

Now you're deliberately misunderstanding me, and you're showing your maturity. If I must explain:

True equality would mean we all do all the tasks in making a life and society, and we do them all equally well. That isn't possible, even among members of your own, superior (according to you), gender.

Equal rights would mean that we all have the same opportunity to meet the same standards. Anyone who can meet them, earns whatever reward was on offer.

Equal treatment would mean that if we make the same mistakes or commit the same crime or do the same level of work, we get the same outcome - whether prison sentence or wage.

Keep in mind, we're dealing with human beings here, who are by definition imperfect. So if a mistake is made in the equal rights/equal treatment arena, it doesn't negate the concept.

Clear enough?

What makes equal opportunity and equal treatment by law so impossible?

When people say equality I wonder if half the time they know what they mean. It should be implied that we aren't all equally good at everything.

When I think of equality I think of what you state for equal rights and equal treatment and not whether men and women perform equally.

From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?

Quote from Popadibs

If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.

Sorry? How can you achieve supremacy if you're not superior? Are you telling me that isn't what you meant??

Quote from Popadibs

What makes equal opportunity and equal treatment by law so impossible?

When people say equality I wonder if half the time they know what they mean. It should be implied that we aren't all equally good at everything.

When I think of equality I think of what you state for equal rights and equal treatment and not whether men and women perform equally.

From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?

Now you're waffling away from your male supremacy comment.

And from now on, don't try to intimidate me, sir. Ain't gonna happen.

Quote from KellyMac

Sorry? How can you achieve supremacy if you're not superior? Are you telling me that isn't what you meant??

I stated that if things can't be equal then it only makes sense to achieve supremacy. If things can't be equal that means that they can only be less than or greater than. In other words, you can only be at an advantage or disadvantage. In a situation where there can not be equal footing then it only makes sense to seek advantages.

I did not state that I wanted things to favor males if they can in fact be equal.

Quote from KellyMac

Now you're waffling away from your male supremacy comment.

And from now on, don't try to intimidate me, sir. Ain't gonna happen.

What did I really say to you or do to you that was intimidating or an attempt to be intimidating?

Don't come at me on here with that pseudo abusive male bullshit, that's so cheesy, KellyMac. I think I'm going to start calling you Mac and Cheese.

Quote from julie

Not that you care to know this, but allot of the words young men are writing is crap that older abusive men used
but they don't know this because they weren't around then.

Oh, so you're suggesting that one or more males here are abusive, now?

Yeah, and what did the bad women say back then? Or were all abusers men in those old days too, enlightened one?

Equality of OPPORTUNITY CAN be achieved.

Not equality of outcome, equality of OPPORTUNITY.

Now, how many times do I have to write this on the blackboard for you to get it?

We can get as close as possible without screwing with biology, not -well nothing will be exactly equal- nonsense. THAT is a defeatist attitude that doesn't provide any solutions.

One step is learning how to influence people. CHARISMA is how you change the hearts as well as the minds of people. Feminism is a self-destructing movement as it lacks charismatic leaders and it's for that reason that it is collapsing in on itself much like the Soviet Union did. Feminists can no longer unite under the banner of Feminism, it has to have an adjective before it. Pretty soon it will need multiple adjectives to unite under.


It's almost like a star going supernova resulting in a black hole.

Quote from Missy-A

Equality of OPPORTUNITY CAN be achieved.

Not equality of outcome, equality of OPPORTUNITY.

Now, how many times do I have to write this on the blackboard for you to get it?

We can get as close as possible without screwing with biology, not -well nothing will be exactly equal- nonsense. THAT is a defeatist attitude that doesn't provide any solutions.

One step is learning how to influence people. CHARISMA is how you change the hearts as well as the minds of people. Feminism is a self-destructing movement as it lacks charismatic leaders and it's for that reason that it is collapsing in on itself much like the Soviet Union did. Feminists can no longer unite under the banner of Feminism, it has to have an adjective before it. Pretty soon it will need multiple adjectives to unite under.


It's almost like a star going supernova resulting in a black hole.

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