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    How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    One of the most common complaints I see here (most commonly by female posters) is that this site consists of whining and woman bashing. The reasons why I tend to shrug off these complaints is because I view them as hypocritical and anti-male shaming tactics.

    Hypocritical because whether it is sexist or not, based on my experiences and I'm sure a lot of your experiences, it is usually women that complain that we complain and women complain more often than men do. I view it as an anti-male shaming tactic because it sounds a lot like what feminists and misandrists accuse men of when we address our issues.

    However, could there actually be a grain of truth to these remarks? If so how much of this site is made up of whining and how much of those allegations of our whining are actually attempts to shame men for addressing the pink elephants in society?
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Anyone who is a mra is accused of whining-shaming tactic #1


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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    Anyone who is a mra is accused of whining-shaming tactic #1
    That's what I believe, however, I wonder how much of our accusations of whining are true whining. If we were, for instance, to go thru several threads and find accusations that we were whining I wonder how often we would find actual instances of whining vs attributions of whining to our legitimate concerns.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    That's a good question.

    Some people may think that I am a whiner merely by virtue of being here on AM. But I don't see myself that way. I look around me and see all the ways in which misandry and anti-male sexism manifest themselves, and I generally post about the "biggies" on here. There are some subtle instances of misandry or anti-male sexism which sort of annoy me, but I don't think they're worth mentioning here. I tend to let a lot of things slide. Unless the misandry is so obvious that one would have to be blind to not see it.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Here is the truth as I see it about women accusing men of whining. Whenever a man, any man, complains about anything he is made to feel less than a man because in the minds of most women a man becomes useless to her if he expresses his own agency. Women are almost entirely dependent on men's ability to provide safety and material security no mater what they will tell you. If a man whines it is like a car that is broke down and therefore is useless.

    This is most especially true if you complain about difficulties you experience as a man. In fact women and society in general become very frightened whenever men, as men, complain and say that they do not want to carry the burdens placed on them. That is what is behind all of the accusations of whining about the men's rights movement. There is very little whining here actually. Most of what goes on here is righteous indignation and moral outrage.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    One of the most common complaints I see here (most commonly by female posters) is that this site consists of whining and woman bashing. The reasons why I tend to shrug off these complaints is because I view them as hypocritical and anti-male shaming tactics.
    "Whinging" is a dismissive term used to belittle a persons complaint and avoid addressing any points or concerns raised. It plays to the stereotype that men handle their own problems, they do not seek counseling, they do not express their emotions and they do not meet in all-male groups to sort out their problems. If you consider how feminism would like to make sure only their dialogue gains attention, this stereotype seems custom made for their purposes. It means men can be portrayed as poorly matured children who need the support of the mature feminists. When you turn this around genderwise, when women converse it is a vital part of being a woman, it is applauded, celebrated and women gather to share each others problems contetn in the knowledge that this practice is good for their mental and emotional wellbeing.

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    Hypocritical because whether it is sexist or not, based on my experiences and I'm sure a lot of your experiences, it is usually women that complain that we complain and women complain more often than men do. I view it as an anti-male shaming tactic because it sounds a lot like what feminists and misandrists accuse men of when we address our issues.
    Women are innately suspicious of any gathering of men; some MRAs consider it is because they want to make sure the female viewpoint continues to have primacy amongst groups of men. I tend to think a part of it is women have a hard time understanding that conversations are not always about women. Men have other issues that don't concern women and don't benefit from a woman's opinion. Even if the topic is about women, they are speaking from a men's point of view, something a woman doesn't have. Feminism believes men have no opinion of women that is worthy of considering, yet they think women have worthwhile opinions concerning men.

    From my exposure so far it appears men shape their environment with objects, inventions, machinery. Women shape the society around them with social constructs and behavioural inventions. Women don't understand or don't want to permit men to shape their own society because the default position in their social construct is women's society is more beneficial for women so must have ascendency over any men's social constructs.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    I think if male 'whining' consisted only of fairness in divorce and child separation, domestic violence and false allegations, then everything else would be relatively inconsequential. But the points I've mentioned have become political ones, influenced beyond the recipient who understands deep politics.

    I tire of an opposition who dares to be hypocritical.

    If men craving of basic rights that were given to women decades before are deemed 'whining' then people need to realize men had a far more harder journey in historical terms. And the system is inherently rigged from the gynocentric cop who turns up on your doorstep to the feminist - trained judge who oversees his supposed transgressions! To describe this as whining or conspiracy is a very convenient and lazy mechanism which reeks of bias. It's very much a reality that hacks viciously upon every man's life which cannot be ignored.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Whining? None. Whining is complaining with no intent of action. Many of us are actively trying to change the situation - i.e. protesting. Some of us (including me) are boycotting - marriage, supporting women, etc.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Interesting topic and discussion.

    I don't really see much whining also. May have been guilty once in a awhile. But how much? Hard to say. Hard to put a figure to it. So I find it negligable.

    I think we mostly discuss and debate about the sad state of affairs and what feminism as a whole has done while trying to find solutions and answers.

    If that is whining, then I sadly misinterpreted the meaning of the word 'whining'.

    I see whining as something like my son telling me he wants this type of apple juice instead of that type of apple juice. It is still apple juice and good for him. If he doesn't like the brand, it becomes whining. He will usually whine when it is not the sugar concentrate when I actually give him the the best apple juice out there. It does not fit his comfort zone and taste buds.

    I see feminism nowadays more like that. They care not what is really best for them. They simply want the sugar and spice that makes every one feel nice without the effort of having to lose all those unnecessary calories taking in with the best tasting beverage.

    Every one knows fresh and no artificial sugar/sweetener, pure apple juice is more expensive and harder to get. Tastes great but not as good as the cheap imitation stuff. Much of it is convenience and comfort.

    Most will whine when things are not convenient and out of their comfort zone. Few will actually try to make such things that are REALLY good for us and take us out of our comfort zones and turn them into an advantage for all.

    I mostly whine when I hurt and can't do anything about it.

    When there is an inkling of me being able to change something, I mostly go for it.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Of course there is whining here, as there is whining everywhere. There will always be people who would rather complain about something, whatever it may be, than to find a way to cope with it or to change it.

    That being said, however, I would say the majority of what I see characterized as whining here, is in fact not whining, but simply expressions of frustration about situations over which we are powerless, or perceive ourselves as being powerless.

    As long as we live in a culture so strongly influenced by feminism, many times the only thing we can do is to draw attention to what's wrong. I may be optimistic, but the message does seem to be sinking in, ever so slowly.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Good analogy Nick. Feminism as the petulant, demanding and spoilt child that it is.

    Certainly to claim a man is 'whining' is a classic shame and guilt tactic appealing to an idea of manhood sculpted in a gynocentric mould. It's core intent is to negate the concerns of men through shaming dismissal. It is to prevent the concern manifesting itself in social or legal policy. To deny the very rights of men! To make frowning upon men raising issues as a social inhibitor to change.

    To deny a right before the idea forms upon the tongue! Even then they aggressively seek to secure freehold of your mind.

    As I mentioned, most men are only concerned with key social, political and legal components which directly impact their lives. Highlighting what may seem to be the frivolous periphery of complaints is making transparent all the subtle social underpinnings which make the larger problems which men face, possible.

    Besides, it's extremely difficult for men to attempt a justified whine when a nonstop chorus of unjustified whining bellows noisily from every feminist voice.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    I wonder how much the people that complain about us 'whining' actually contribute to the site in any meaningful way themselves. Do they take offense to the social ills of society heaped upon men or are they strictly here to point out to us that we need to 'man up' and 'take it'? Something that I notice is that the same people that complain that we 'whine' aren't deterred from showing up from time to time. If we really are as bad as they say then why do they come here? What do they possibly have to gain from being here if we're just a group of whiners?
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    I wonder how much the people that complain about us 'whining' actually contribute to the site in any meaningful way themselves. Do they take offense to the social ills of society heaped upon men or are they strictly here to point out to us that we need to 'man up' and 'take it'? Something that I notice is that the same people that complain that we 'whine' aren't deterred from showing up from time to time. If we really are as bad as they say then why do they come here? What do they possibly have to gain from being here if we're just a group of whiners?
    Why do trolls do what they do? To get a rise out someone. It's how they get their jollies. Take it for what it's worth - a cheap thrill for someone else at your expense. Not worth the energy it takes to get irritated, especially when that's what they want.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    I notice that none of the people that claim we are nothing but a bunch of he-man woman haters that whine about women have answered the question. Isn't this the perfect opportunity for them to chime in and speak their piece? If we asked them they'd say "isn't it obvious?" but then if we asked them to point it out that would be a different story.

    I suppose that if we were to ask them this question and they answered 'a lot', 'most' or even 'all' of this site is whining and woman bashing then they fear we'd ask for proof they wouldn't be able to provide? Surely, they aren't liars, are they? If their claims are true it shouldn't take very long for them to find these instances and it would be apparent to all.

    Then again, if they said 'sometimes' or some variation of 'less frequently' then that would expose that their complaints about us whining far outweigh the actual whining that takes place here. It would mean that the whining is negligible compared to their complaints of us whining and compared to the amount of informative and other posts.

    So I suppose, if they answered how much and they answered a big amount they'd have to provide big proof that they can't provide. If they answered a small amount then it would seem like a waste of time and petty for them to even bring up our 'whining' in the first place.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    yup
    quit your whining. and man up sucker.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    You're spot on, pop. They're painted into a corner.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    In my humble opinion, I'd say a small percentage of this site consists of what the accusers would call "Whining".
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    It's just so ironic that the accusers aren't saying anything here.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    I think we mostly discuss and debate about the sad state of affairs and what feminism as a whole has done while trying to find solutions and answers.
    I think that is the difference between whining and not.

    Some topics here probably are 'whining' to the extent that grievances are aired but no solution is sought, no redress demanded, no answer given. So long as we DO something (or even just ask what we could do) about what we see is wrong, then we do more than whine.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    First define what you mean by "whining"! If we don't know what it is supposed to be, we can't make any meaningful comment about it. One man's whine seems to be another man's legitimate complaint (or should that be one woman's whine is another man's legitimate complaint?)

    Is there a difference? If so, where does it lie? If not, doesn't that give us our answer straight away and we can carry on with a clear conscience?

    I think Popadibs has raised an important question, but I would like to see it addressed a bit more systematically. You know, the way we men do things best.

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    .....based on my experiences and I'm sure a lot of your experiences, it is usually women that complain that we complain and women complain more often than men do.
    For sure. Women seem to love men for their listening and so men will receive many more complaints from women than men IMO. It's funny, but women tend to like having a male counsellor while men seem to like having a female counsellor. I'm not saying this applies to men here and I am not going to dig out stats on this because I wouldn't know where to start. But I do read this in articles and hear this from women and men myself who use counsellors who say they find the opposite sex more empathetic to them.

    However, could there actually be a grain of truth to these remarks? If so how much of this site is made up of whining and how much of those allegations of our whining are actually attempts to shame men for addressing the pink elephants in society?
    There's more than a grain but what can you do? Men mostly join an antimisandry site or other men's site because they've felt hate towards them in some way and are upset about it. Feminists are just doing the same thing but they have been doing something about it for longer and are more organised.

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    One of the most common complaints I see here (most commonly by female posters) is that this site consists of whining and woman bashing. The reasons why I tend to shrug off these complaints is because I view them as hypocritical and anti-male shaming tactics.
    As one woman here, and one who comes across as complaining of the female bashing - all I can say in defense is that it hurts now and then. But I understand it as a big girl, lol. I think that is important.

    I don't consider anything hypocritical about my feelings for I don't think there is a wrong and right way to feel. Yet that doesn't mean my thoughts don't from time to time need adjusting through clarity and can affect the way I feel.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    For sure. Women seem to love men for their listening and so men will receive many more complaints from women than men IMO. It's funny, but women tend to like having a male counsellor while men seem to like having a female counsellor. I'm not saying this applies to men here and I am not going to dig out stats on this because I wouldn't know where to start. But I do read this in articles and hear this from women and men myself who use counsellors who say they find the opposite sex more empathetic to them.



    There's more than a grain but what can you do? Men mostly join an antimisandry site or other men's site because they've felt hate towards them in some way and are upset about it. Feminists are just doing the same thing but they have been doing something about it for longer and are more organised.

    Do you know how feminism was organized and who organized feminism and why? Are you crediting the gov't or women with the results of feminism?


    As one woman here, and one who comes across as complaining of the female bashing - all I can say in defense is that it hurts now and then. But I understand it as a big girl, lol. I think that is important.

    Care to point these out or are you just saying this happens?

    I don't consider anything hypocritical about my feelings for I don't think there is a wrong and right way to feel. Yet that doesn't mean my thoughts don't from time to time need adjusting through clarity and can affect the way I feel.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Originally Posted by Popadibs - Do you know how feminism was organized and who organized feminism and why? Are you crediting the gov't or women with the results of feminism?
    I know a fair bit because I have booklets (early 1970's) from the starters and what was going on. Feminism came from socialists and unionists, at least in New Zealand. Unionists came from men's activism as workers when they realised they were able to start demanding good working conditions because they were great in number. In a way, workers came from slavery as in the same way the wealthy owned those who worked for them.

    The backbone for feminists came from women demanding equal wages which was sorted in the early 70's. From there lesbians started making demands using domestic violence that Erin Pizzy started and rape crisis which Felicity Goodyear-Smith started. Both these women are now considered anti feminists but in a way they are anti the lesbian political movement.

    Other countries will have other women to name.
    Care to point these out or are you just saying this happens?
    For sure. Mostly it's articles presented and just comments about the women. I personally don't read the articles the same way because I am a woman. Yet I can leave a comment so it's not that my voice isn't heard.
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    For sure. Mostly it's articles presented and just comments about the women. I personally don't read the articles the same way because I am a woman. Yet I can leave a comment so it's not that my voice isn't heard.
    So your complaint isn't that women don't have a voice but that men do?

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    With due respect, I think it's hypocritical to say, "women are wrong to write about women on this site" for I see lots of posts about women written by men. Allot of it is bitching or putting women down
    So, when you talk about lots of posts about women written by men that is bitching and putting women down you are referring to articles that inform men of these issues in the first place?

    Ah, I see now, thanks.
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    So your complaint isn't that women don't have a voice but that men do?
    No! But I see you've put up my words that have upset you below.

    So, when you talk about lots of posts about women written by men that is bitching and putting women down you are referring to articles that inform men of these issues in the first place?

    Ah, I see now, thanks.
    No! These are not articles informing men of men's issues, nor are they a representation of women - but then men can't do that just as women can't give a representation for men either. It's for this reason we need both movements. (IMO)

    Not that you care to know this, but allot of the words young men are writing is crap that older abusive men used
    but they don't know this because they weren't around then. Older people like me are always going to be the centre of our kids fighting relationship politics for that's what parents do.

    See below for what you are talking about.

    Originally Posted by julie With due respect, I think it's hypocritical to say, "women are wrong to write about women on this site" for I see lots of posts about women written by men. Allot of it is bitching or putting women down
    Yes P, I still consider it hypocritical for this. My post's heading was "Who has it worse?" You were upset I wrote stories of women also as equally having something to moan about issues.

    Can't you be kind and share a bit of space with an old women?

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    P, I also want to add that I can't participate in gender politics for much longer. I support you for the men's growth more than you know.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    I am so sick of this useless debate. Words back and forth with no foreseen outcome or agenda in mind.

    Looks and sound like female tennis.

    No power in the backhand, just the whoosh of the ball flying by at a few km/hr slower with less panache. Looks and sounds good, but not as good.

    When things will be truly equal, I will be all for a come out.

    Can't you be kind and share a bit of space with an old women?
    NO!! Were done with that and get used to it.

    You called for it and we are finally showing up. Be careful what you ask for.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    NO!! Were done with that and get used to it.

    You called for it and we are finally showing up. Be careful what you ask for.
    Now this is where you men are wrong. It's not my generation you are affecting - it's the next generation but then my son's are 2x20year old and 1x23 and as I was missed in the feminist movement, they will be missed in the masculist movement.

    You must understand that both sides looks for the gullible and that's our children or grandchildren. We ourselves won't suffer the consequences of our actions.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

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    I am so sick of this useless debate. Words back and forth with no foreseen outcome or agenda in mind.

    Looks and sound like female tennis.

    No power in the backhand, just the whoosh of the ball flying by at a few km/hr slower with less panache. Looks and sounds good, but not as good.

    When things will be truly equal, I will be all for a come out.
    I couldn't agree with you more. Except for the female tennis part. If we're all participating, it isn't "female", is it???

    We could get a lot more accomplished if we stopped treating everything like a freaking contest!!

    "I have it worse!"

    "No! I do! You have no idea!"

    "Well, if the situation were reversed, (fill in MY group) would be treated sooo much worse!"

    Maybe those things are true. Maybe they're not. What the HELL difference does it make??

    Guess what? Shit happens. We're dealing with human beings here. Humans are notoriously easy to influence. Try it on a societal scale, and most people won't even see it. Therefore most people won't do anything about it.

    Here's an idea. The people here DO see there's something drastically wrong. Let's agree that the whole thing sucks for everyone, and try to find a solution. All this bickering is absolutely pointless! We wind up sounding like a bunch of children!

    I'll be honest, it makes me tired just to read some of the posts I see here.

    Maybe it's just the point I'm at in my personal journey. I'm tired of lamenting that my kids' father can't be arsed to return a phone call or make any attempt to communicate with his kid in almost a year. I'm tired of working for a boss who couldn't care less about what our group accomplishes. I'm tired of being the product of a broken mother and a broken family and a broken society. I'm tired of wallowing in self-pity because I'm in debt, because I'm $40,000 upside down in my house, because I live paycheck to paycheck.

    I understand being in pain. I understand frustration. I understand the need to express it.

    I also understand that there comes a time when we have to choose to give up and give in, or stand up and change what we can.

    That time comes at an individual pace for everyone. There's nothing wrong with you if you aren't there yet.

    But for those of you who are, let's start talking about the action we CAN take. What can each of us do, legally, to make the world a little bit better for just one person? That may sound trite, but I don't think it is. The way to change the world is one person at a time.

    @ Nick (and those who hold the same opinion): Things will NEVER be truly equal. They never have been. It isn't in the realm of possibility. If that's what you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever.

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    We are collectively at a point where we are arse fucking ourselves. In french we call this 'enculage de mouche'
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    KellyMac, what you wrote was beautiful.

    I am not adding to you because that would only harm you. So instead I am saying in a complete different path (my own)

    "But it falls on deaf ears to the likes of Nick. And for "P", gosh, he doesn't seem to understand the idea of class which doesn't surprise me for isn't from the generation who suffered.

    Look, feminists told me I was not privileged for being white because I am at an equal standing to colored people and that awful Cnadian black feminist even copped it from other white feminists for making me feel guilty.

    Likewise I am not equal to nick but he refuses to see it because he has a hangup. My gosh, no-one has any idea how I had to accept how I am privileged to some other men and women just because I can do things they can't. The Nicks in the world will never understand the gift of humility that I was given.
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    You judgmental little twerp. My ears fall on what they want to fall on. Screw you.

    Next time you feel like putting yourself in my head, ask me first.,

    I almost want to be vile, but Marx and the good men here have taught me a new way to deal with the likes of you.

    Julie, what you are doing is called crash and burn. Self destruct.
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    You judgmental little twerp. My ears fall on what they want to fall on. Screw you.

    Next time you feel like putting yourself in my head, ask me first.,

    we are not all about the virtual world. Why don't you pm us and we'll phone you.

    I will phone you.

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    there are some things I am more comfortable talking to a woman about , likewise there are some things
    I am more comfortable talking to a man about.

    but at the end of the day nobody likes a whiney bitch.
    only folk with money go to counselors and shrinks.
    Thank-you for your honesty. If I was our age... but alas I am not
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Play nicely, children. This aint a feminist forum, no need to tear each others throats out.

    Let's solve this topic: Exactly what is the definition of 'whining' that we're using? So far we've been doting on the meaning on the word, or how it's often used as a feminist shaming technique, but let's define it, and bring this topic closure with an answer to the question.
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    only folk with money go to counselors and shrinks.
    When I had money I went to counsellors. Now I have no money.

    The two are not completely unconnected.

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    Let's solve this topic: Exactly what is the definition of 'whining' that we're using? So far we've been doting on the meaning on the word, or how it's often used as a feminist shaming technique, but let's define it, and bring this topic closure with an answer to the question.
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    whine
    verb, whined, whin·ing, noun

    verb (used without object)
    1. to utter a low, usually nasal, complaining cry or sound, as from uneasiness, discontent, peevishness, etc.: The puppies were whining from hunger.
    2. to snivel or complain in a peevish, self-pitying way: He is always whining about his problems.

    verb (used with object)
    3. to utter with or as if with a whine: I whined my litany of complaints.

    noun
    4. a whining utterance, sound, or tone.
    5. a feeble, peevish complaint.
    I suggest that the whining we are talking about here is mostly that last definition

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    feeble
    adjective, -bler, -blest.
    1. physically weak, as from age or sickness; frail.
    2. weak intellectually or morally: a feeble mind.
    3. lacking in volume, loudness, brightness, distinctness, etc.: a feeble voice; feeble light.
    4. lacking in force, strength, or effectiveness: feeble resistance; feeble arguments.

    peevish
    adjective
    1. cross, querulous, or fretful, as from vexation or discontent: a peevish youngster.
    2. showing annoyance, irritation, or bad mood: a peevish reply; a peevish frown.
    3. perverse or obstinate.

    So, whining is a complaint that is weak (morally, intellectually or forcefully) and that shows annoyance, perversity or obstinence.

    I hold to my earlier point: that if all we do is complain about something without actually doing anything about it, we are whining; if we raise an issue and follow it with action or discuss what might be done about it, then we are being activists.
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    I also went to counseling, and that left a dent in my budget. The said counseling was to deal with my lost connection with my son and how or why it happened, and I had high hopes to fix it. No real conclusion was brought forth but to heap it all on my shoulders. That was a no go. It always takes two to tango for this type of dance.

    Then I found a mens group in the form of discussion type. 4 guys and a helmsman.
    The guy at the helm of the group was a dynamic Italian guy who really got what I was trying to get out into the stratosphere. He helped me out greatly, but he also said to watch out for my sorry ass cuz I was in deep waters considering the psycho ex.

    So I put my head and hands to the grind and followed the only path I know. Values and honesty. I won some form of contact with my boy. To this day my ex will not follow the ruling. So again I find myself back to square one, yet now I have a written piece of paper that binds her to follow court decisions. Not that this phases her in the least.

    So the fight will continue until I either quit or she see the light. I have no intentions of quitting, I foresee the next 10 yrs as grim. I long ago just wanted simple communication to raise our child adequately with what we had. Hah! Yeah right! The last straw that broke this camels back was last week. Court papers say I have 4 days consecutive for christmas holidays. She re-nagged on that as well. She thinks I should split my four days to accommodate her and her family. No mention of my family or what we may have planned for the child. Remember, this is all in the best interest of the child after I have spent thousands and hundreds of man hours to get to this point.

    Is this whining?

    I didn't think honesty and values were not part of the family court equation. I was surprised and still have steel for taste in my mouth from the experience.
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Nick, this is not whining. Sounds like you're taking every action you can think of.

    How old is your boy?

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    @ Nick (and those who hold the same opinion): Things will NEVER be truly equal. They never have been. It isn't in the realm of possibility. If that's what you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever.
    If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.

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    "But it falls on deaf ears to the likes of Nick. And for "P", gosh, he doesn't seem to understand the idea of class which doesn't surprise me for isn't from the generation who suffered.
    Julie, with all due respect, you've really misjudged Popa. Popa understands the idea of class. Popa understands that you are a woman of a lot of class, Julie.

    It just so happens that it is all low class.


    You see? It isn't that what people say always falls on deaf ears when it comes to Popa. The fact is that half of the time no one knows whatever the hell you are talking about because you don't make any damned sense and the little we do understand is bollocks. This is what you sound like to Popa most of the time.


    Popa also knows that if you had any sugar in that sack of shit that you call a brain your thoughts would be more coherent. So Popa forgives you for your misconception.

    Please, for the sake of not being a cock a doodle doofus, from now on would you kindly remove your head from your ass, use a screen reader and put in your hearing aids? Since you can't spell Popadibs when it is right in front of you, maybe you need glasses as well. Oh and don't you ever and Popa means ever call Popa the same name that you call urine.

    *Offers Julie cheese with her whine*
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    If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.
    That would make me laugh if I didn't think you were at least half serious. Let me tell you something, having one half of the human race lord (or lady) it over the other does not work and cannot work. As you well know.

    We cannot survive, one without the other. Creationism says we were all created in the image of God. Even Jesus had women on his team - in an extremely patriarchal culture. Evolutionism says we all evolved together. Can't do it alone, buddy.

    Do you want equal rights and equal treatment, or do you want to run the show? That's something I really need to know when I choose my teammates.

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    Do you want equal rights and equal treatment, or do you want to run the show? That's something I really need to know when I choose my teammates.
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    @ Nick (and those who hold the same opinion): Things will NEVER be truly equal. They never have been. It isn't in the realm of possibility. If that's what you're waiting for, you're going to be waiting forever.
    How can you ask me if I want equal rights and equal treatment after telling Nick that things will never truly be equal? What does it matter what I want if it's not possible?
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    How can you ask me if I want equal rights and equal treatment after telling Nick that things will never truly be equal? What does it matter what I want if it's not possible?
    Now you're deliberately misunderstanding me, and you're showing your maturity. If I must explain:

    True equality would mean we all do all the tasks in making a life and society, and we do them all equally well. That isn't possible, even among members of your own, superior (according to you), gender.

    Equal rights would mean that we all have the same opportunity to meet the same standards. Anyone who can meet them, earns whatever reward was on offer.

    Equal treatment would mean that if we make the same mistakes or commit the same crime or do the same level of work, we get the same outcome - whether prison sentence or wage.

    Keep in mind, we're dealing with human beings here, who are by definition imperfect. So if a mistake is made in the equal rights/equal treatment arena, it doesn't negate the concept.

    Clear enough?

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    Now you're deliberately misunderstanding me, and you're showing your maturity. If I must explain:

    True equality would mean we all do all the tasks in making a life and society, and we do them all equally well. That isn't possible, even among members of your own, superior (according to you), gender.

    Equal rights would mean that we all have the same opportunity to meet the same standards. Anyone who can meet them, earns whatever reward was on offer.

    Equal treatment would mean that if we make the same mistakes or commit the same crime or do the same level of work, we get the same outcome - whether prison sentence or wage.

    Keep in mind, we're dealing with human beings here, who are by definition imperfect. So if a mistake is made in the equal rights/equal treatment arena, it doesn't negate the concept.

    Clear enough?
    What makes equal opportunity and equal treatment by law so impossible?

    When people say equality I wonder if half the time they know what they mean. It should be implied that we aren't all equally good at everything.

    When I think of equality I think of what you state for equal rights and equal treatment and not whether men and women perform equally.

    From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?
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    If things will never be truly equal then it only makes sense for men to achieve male supremacy.
    Sorry? How can you achieve supremacy if you're not superior? Are you telling me that isn't what you meant??

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    What makes equal opportunity and equal treatment by law so impossible?

    When people say equality I wonder if half the time they know what they mean. It should be implied that we aren't all equally good at everything.

    When I think of equality I think of what you state for equal rights and equal treatment and not whether men and women perform equally.

    From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?
    Now you're waffling away from your male supremacy comment.

    And from now on, don't try to intimidate me, sir. Ain't gonna happen.

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    Sorry? How can you achieve supremacy if you're not superior? Are you telling me that isn't what you meant??
    I stated that if things can't be equal then it only makes sense to achieve supremacy. If things can't be equal that means that they can only be less than or greater than. In other words, you can only be at an advantage or disadvantage. In a situation where there can not be equal footing then it only makes sense to seek advantages.

    I did not state that I wanted things to favor males if they can in fact be equal.



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    Now you're waffling away from your male supremacy comment.

    And from now on, don't try to intimidate me, sir. Ain't gonna happen.
    What did I really say to you or do to you that was intimidating or an attempt to be intimidating?

    Don't come at me on here with that pseudo abusive male bullshit, that's so cheesy, KellyMac. I think I'm going to start calling you Mac and Cheese.



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    Not that you care to know this, but allot of the words young men are writing is crap that older abusive men used
    but they don't know this because they weren't around then.
    Oh, so you're suggesting that one or more males here are abusive, now?

    Yeah, and what did the bad women say back then? Or were all abusers men in those old days too, enlightened one?
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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Equality of OPPORTUNITY CAN be achieved.

    Not equality of outcome, equality of OPPORTUNITY.

    Now, how many times do I have to write this on the blackboard for you to get it?

    We can get as close as possible without screwing with biology, not -well nothing will be exactly equal- nonsense. THAT is a defeatist attitude that doesn't provide any solutions.

    One step is learning how to influence people. CHARISMA is how you change the hearts as well as the minds of people. Feminism is a self-destructing movement as it lacks charismatic leaders and it's for that reason that it is collapsing in on itself much like the Soviet Union did. Feminists can no longer unite under the banner of Feminism, it has to have an adjective before it. Pretty soon it will need multiple adjectives to unite under.


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    Equality of OPPORTUNITY CAN be achieved.

    Not equality of outcome, equality of OPPORTUNITY.

    Now, how many times do I have to write this on the blackboard for you to get it?

    We can get as close as possible without screwing with biology, not -well nothing will be exactly equal- nonsense. THAT is a defeatist attitude that doesn't provide any solutions.

    One step is learning how to influence people. CHARISMA is how you change the hearts as well as the minds of people. Feminism is a self-destructing movement as it lacks charismatic leaders and it's for that reason that it is collapsing in on itself much like the Soviet Union did. Feminists can no longer unite under the banner of Feminism, it has to have an adjective before it. Pretty soon it will need multiple adjectives to unite under.


    It's almost like a star going supernova resulting in a black hole.


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    Exacta. A while back, Lady Catherine blew my mind when she stated the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcome.

    Equal Opportunity is good. It's achievable.
    Equal Outcome is bad when it's forced. And it's been the driving force behind feminists trying to force women through a glass ceiling when they'd much rather take that time necessary to break the ceiling and spend it with their children - therefore the males ascend. Women have the opportunities, but it's not their priority.

    See:
    - maternity leave (equal outcome of her being at vs. being at home)
    - preferential promotion (equal outcome of being an ace worker vs a shitbag)
    - paternity testing restrictions (equal outcome of her being faithful vs fake)
    - child support (equal outcome of the father staying vs leaving)
    - alimony (equal outcome of staying married vs splitting)

    basically, all of these things are there so that women get the best possible outcome REGARDLESS of the fucked up choices they make. you're not at work because you got knocked up, but we're gonna fucking pretend. you don't really deserve that promotion as much as that guy busting his ass and getting results, but we're gonna fucking pretend. we're gonna fucking pretend that the man you cherry-picked to shoulder the burden is irrefutably the child's father, because you should get the same benefits as the sweet girl who kept it real and held her man down. you pushed the dad away with constant negativity, but we're gonna fucking pretend daddy's still there - with his cash. you were lazy, materialistic, a nag, and liked to flirt with other guys, but we're gonna fucking pretend you're one of the wives who actually put work into keeping her marriage alive and stable, and give you half your ex's cheque.

    Feminists like to pretend. They like when women get bullshit benefits they haven't earned. However, they only support equal outcome OR opportunity when it benefits women (they're hypocrites). In the real world (circa 1911), if you wanted to work most jobs, you didn't get pregnant and leave and expect to keeping getting paid OR come back. If you wanted a higher position, you were the best for the spot. Fuck affirmative action. If you were so shady that you couldn't convince a man he was your child's father, you were fucked. No child support. That's why women weren't visibly promiscuous - their reputations affected marriageability, which in turn affected their own survival and ability to bear children. And if you were a shitty wife, either by being a negative human being or a less than acceptable (and unwilling to learn) homemaker, you got booted. No alimony, if you deserved it he'd still want you around.
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    I'm sorry guys. I tried to let it go. But I have to say it.

    Popadibs, you said, "From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?" Are you saying you use that tone to someone you aren't trying to intimidate? Understood? Really??? I've seen you address others in the same manner, and I'm here to tell you, it's not acceptable.

    You are not my father. You are not my boss. You are not my drill sergeant. You do NOT get to talk to me that way.

    When I stood up for myself, your reply: "Don't come at me on here with that pseudo abusive male bullshit, that's so cheesy, KellyMac. I think I'm going to start calling you Mac and Cheese."

    Again telling me what I can or cannot say. Since when is standing up for oneself "pseudo abusive male bullshit"??? And threatening to call me a new nickname because you thought I was being pseudo-abusively-male? How old ARE you?

    I did earlier insult your maturity, and I maybe could have handled that differently, but then again, look at what you came up with afterwards.

    In any case, I do apologize if I put you on the defensive. That was me reacting to my own buttons being pushed when it appeared you deliberately misunderstood me, and I shouldn't have let my emotions get in the way.

    So far you haven't done anything to earn my respect or disrespect other than your personality clashing with mine a little bit. I'm going to try to keep an open mind, and I'd like you to do the same.

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    You're spot on, pop. They're painted into a corner.
    You go from this?

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    I'm sorry guys. I tried to let it go. But I have to say it.

    Popadibs, you said, "From now on, don't accuse me of anything (saying men are superior) unless you also post the post in which I say so. Understood?" Are you saying you use that tone to someone you aren't trying to intimidate? Understood? Really??? I've seen you address others in the same manner, and I'm here to tell you, it's not acceptable.

    You are not my father. You are not my boss. You are not my drill sergeant. You do NOT get to talk to me that way.

    When I stood up for myself, your reply: "Don't come at me on here with that pseudo abusive male bullshit, that's so cheesy, KellyMac. I think I'm going to start calling you Mac and Cheese."

    Again telling me what I can or cannot say. Since when is standing up for oneself "pseudo abusive male bullshit"??? And threatening to call me a new nickname because you thought I was being pseudo-abusively-male? How old ARE you?

    I did earlier insult your maturity, and I maybe could have handled that differently, but then again, look at what you came up with afterwards.

    In any case, I do apologize if I put you on the defensive. That was me reacting to my own buttons being pushed when it appeared you deliberately misunderstood me, and I shouldn't have let my emotions get in the way.

    So far you haven't done anything to earn my respect or disrespect other than your personality clashing with mine a little bit. I'm going to try to keep an open mind, and I'd like you to do the same.
    To this?

    Do you prefer Kelkyll and Hyde better than Mac and Cheese?


    For some reason you seem very uneased. Why don't you go into a corner and play the blue box blues?

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Oh my goodness! Oh my word! My. My what is happening here?!?!?!!

    “Understanding is a two-way street.”

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    Re: How much of antimisandry actually consists of whining?

    Quote Quote from Popadibs View Post
    You go from this?



    To this?

    Do you prefer Kelkyll and Hyde better than Mac and Cheese?


    For some reason you seem very uneased. Why don't you go into a corner and play the blue box blues?
    So if I agree with you once, I have to always agree with you?

    As you cannot seem to address me with common courtesy, please do not address me at all.

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