Hello Fred,

I'm not aware of the specifics in law that relate to the list below, but would be interested to know what you had in mind when posing the question and identified the following issues ?

I've written my first thoughts when I read each, not much depth but as I said, I don't know enough to comment any further on them...

- child custody

Don't know

- abortion rights

How would you change these?

- rape allegations

Do you mean false allegations or those which can't be proved? Two very different scenarios. I think those who are proved to have made false allegations should be punished - is that what you mean?

- child support

Don't know

- domestic violence

Stats say 1:4 women and 1:6 men are subjected to domestic violence at some point in their life. I'm not sure how this is measured or correlated so I don't know how much it really tells us eg a one off minor domestic fracas is not the same as long term systematic abuse.

- media representation (a voice)

It seems there's a lot of debate about women's issues - much less on men's issues.

- gender minister

I'm not sure why we should have a minister for women's issues if we don't have a minister for mens issues. Perhaps we should have one minister for gender issues arising .

- health spendature

Don't know

- pay (yes, you did read right!)

I believe in equal pay for equal work, but I suspect the claim that women are paid less than men is misleading as it suggests that women are paid less for doing the same job. It may be true in some cases but overall I would guess unlikely to be the norm due to legislation and risk of being sued for punitive damages.
I don't think it helps the debate to make the comparison between men and women's pay if the calculation is based on the aggregate of male and female earning respectively as women tend to do lower paid/part-time work often due to family commitments. In that case what else could be expected??!!!

Hi Balanced Human

Well... here are my brief thoughts on each issue:

-child custody

Overwhelming figures show that women a) are granted custody of their children b) are also NOT punished enough when they refuse a father access (i.e. £100 fine at the most), and c) not only do they get sole custody, but they reserve the rights to keep the house that the husband paid for (and still does) in the first place!

- abortion rights

There are no clauses here in the UK, so women can have abortions whenever they like. A common tactic to ease their conscience is that they say 'rape', well...if a man is drugged and/or tricked by a woman to have sex and then she ends up pregnant, he may well say rape, but she will still be able to keep the child. In addition, if a man wants his child to live, and the woman doesn't, guess what...child dies. If a man doesn't want the child and the woman does, guess what...child lives.

- rape allegations

There are more cases of non-convictions than there are for convictions. And the majority of allegations are a) false and b) made by women. Whilst she gets to keep her anonymity, he doesn't, when no crime has been proven. In addition, rape accusers who are found to be lying are punished with measly £50 fines for perverting the law, NOT the hefty 10+ years she should have got

- child support

Yes...men are constantly bombarded to pay maintenence to a an ex wife who lives in HIS home with HIS kids, yet he gets to see neither

- domestic violence

I have read various studies, and, most often the reports for dv occurs roughly the same for men and women. Yet the media/government all portray men as aggressors and women as victims; that's why we see a whole host of shelters for women, and none for men.

- media representation (a voice)

Just look at what we're fed. Enough said

- gender minister

The evidence is there in parlament

- health spendature

Breast cancer gets £16 million with prostate at £1 million per year according to the dept. of health

- pay (yes, you did read right!)

It is women who retire 5 years earlier than men. It is women who get 1 years full paid maternity leave compared to men's unpaid 2 weeks paternity leave. And it is feminist women who like to pretend men get paid more, yet they never consider lifestyle choices or actual hours worked when making this assertion.

Hope this helps

Lots of issues here
I wlll take a few of them
Media , well we all know how anti-man the BBC is , and have you read the Daily Mail lately ? A few weeks ago that feminist rag had a 2 page artical entitled "Why men are crap "

Equal pay , again , misleading . Women ,tend to d othe lower paid jobs . I am in a low paid job , who speaks for me ? The unions ? Don't make me laugh . They are only interested in women , gays and "Ethnic minorities"

Child custody , Everyone knows that the woman is almost always given custody , even when she is totally unsutable .
Rape accusations , maybe it's about time that a woman who falsley cries rape is given the same custodial sentance as her "attacker" would have been . Rape is an evil crime ,and those who falsley claim it are harming innocent women as well .

A mens minister ? Don't make me laugh . What party is interested in the rights of men ?

Domestic violence . I had a reletive who had a written death threat from his wife "I hate you , I will kill you " He took it to the police , they said "unless she does something ,there's nothing we can do . A few weeks ago , a local man was imprisonedfor 9 months for "threatening" hie ex wife (despite it being her word against his) .

Looking at it , all in all ,it's clear that women have an easy life , with far more rights than men have .

Hey Sealion!

You hit the nail not just on the head, but in every other place to!

8)

OUCH , Fred x
That sounds painfull LOL

I voted yes but I dare you to find one person in this forum who'd vote no.

and no doing it out of spite y'hear!

I did participate in the vote, but didn't leave a reply: Here are my thoughts:

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Women, as far as I can see, are not unequal.

I disagree, they are unequal - to their favour.

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Consider the following, and then ask yourself which sex comes off better when applying each to common law:

- child custody

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... I thought it was quite ingenious the way NOW (National Organisation of Women - for those unaware) manipulated the statistics to make it look like 70% of Fathers were gaining custody... the audacity of it!!! It's mind-boggling :smt119

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- abortion rights

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... Can't exactly be denied, can it? I mean women are even allowed to dump newborns, to kidnap them away, to adopt out, to foster out, to keep, to terminate... Let's face it, yes men do have a recourse for the adoption - assuming they even KNOW.

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- rape allegations

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... With claims waving between 2% and 45% of rape allegations being found untrue (by admission of the accuser, that's not even considering the ones who DO make false allegations or exaggerate/regret a sexual encounter),it's hard to see why men go for one-night stands.

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- child support

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... As i've said before, i only know 3 women that don't have custody - 2 of them ignored their C$A obligations and have NOT been chased up. And we're not talking recently, i'm going back years to this day they have had no come-back from the C$A.

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- domestic violence

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... Yeps. And this not only allows preferential treatment for women, but it also enables kidnapping of children.

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- media representation (a voice)

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... Though i do believe we're slowly gaining ground... keep up the good work.

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- gender minister

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... Indeed, Tony bLiar has said outright, he has no intention of appointing a minister for men, yet England has to ministers for women.

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- health spendature

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... Yes, a WHO (world heal org) gives a count of about 18 pages under the search criteria "Men's health", yet gives in excess of 100 for "Women's health"... It turns out as well, that when feminist complained women specific health only received 14% of medical finance (hence initiating women only health government groups) they ommitted to mention another finding of theirs: Men's only health finances accounted for only 7%. Imagine that!

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- pay (yes, you did read right!)

Haha, like it merits a respsonse... I stick with Warren Farrell on this. I mean this guy worked for NOW (national Org of Women) for how many years..? If anyone knows how the statistics were flawed - he'd be that man. Yeah, given the option, i'd take his word over any feminists.

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Using the above as a generic guide, can you see that on all these matters, men, not women, come off far worse?
I'd be interested to see how this topic develops...

Agreed.

Fred X wrote:
Women, as far as I can see, are not unequal.

Karl wrote:
I disagree, they are unequal - to their favour.

Whilst I see your point here, I was making that statement in another context; that women claim to be unequal through a daily range of propaganda and spin tactics, so my response to that is no, they are wrong to claim ineqaulity

You bring some good points in

Glad for the imput here

Yep, women have enough rights.

Men and women are unequal, with the inequality to women's advantage.

I voted yes but I am concerned about the mismatched poll and thread titles.

I do believe they get a biased representation, I do not believe they have 'enough rights' so long as there is anything they come off worse in. Likewise men do not have enough rights for the reasons stated at the start of the thread.

Do women have more rights? Yes.
But I dont believe anyone has enough rights (male or female) if they are ever discriminated against.

What rights don't women have, more is the question? That's real, not perceived lack of rights!

Using feminist illogic, you could argue that white slave traders didn't have any rights, and the black slaves did.

Women have an obedient big goverment, a gynocentric media and judiciary to ensure they have more rights then men. Yet they still have the audacity to pretend they are the demographic group, most in need of "more" rights. I'm picturing a trough and pigs swilling on the abundant fodder, whilst the little male runts are too malnourished to reach the trough.

It's all so grotesque, CD. It boggles your mind. We really need to do something about this. The indignity of it is just unbearable. We need to demand equal rights. That's what we were promised!