I kinda see this the same way. I can find absolutely NOTHING that would even remotely prove the existance of an evil patriarchy that exists for the sake of oppresing women. What kind of oppresor would pamper it's slaves?

While women, who still keep yapping with unending complaints about being treated as less than men, they enjoy a mount everest of biassed legislation, policies and advantages due to social double standards. Men just have to get by by themselves and otherwise you're screwed.

In pretty much all aspects of life, it is evident that men's causes is horribly neglected (by the state and both men and women alike) and underfunded by our 'patriarchic state'. I certainly don't see the opposite happening anywhere.

If we look at charity and who is willing to give (I remember reading a study) more I believe it is women. Imho it has something to do with men being socialized as breadwinners. We want to keep the money, not spend it. Women on the other hand are more likely to spend the money, that is probably true for charity and all the other stuff one can buy.

To what degree that is true is of course a matter of discussion, but generally speaking I believe that is true.

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If we look at charity and who is willing to give (I remember reading a study) more I believe it is women. Imho it has something to do with men being socialized as breadwinners. We want to keep the money, not spend it. Women on the other hand are more likely to spend the money, that is probably true for charity and all the other stuff one can buy.

To what degree that is true is of course a matter of discussion, but generally speaking I believe that is true.

I know that women give more time towards community service (often because they work less hours and have more time to do so, or have different priorities) but giving money? I think that may go to men.

Just to reiterate my first line, for those who skimmed passed and missed it:


"do you think men or women are more generous to the other sex?"

i.e. excluding dating, as it's commonly held throughout most societies (that I know of) that the man must pay for a woman's company - let alone anything else... So let's take Feckless' example of 'charity':

Do you find in your experiences that men will contribute to a woman-only charity (e.g. breast cancer, safe-houses) more often or with a higher monetary donation than women donate towards men-only charities (such as prostate cancer).

If we remove the charity factor, do you find that men are more supportive (vocally, opinionated, etc.) towards something that benefits women (e.g. keeping a safe-house from closing down due to government cuts), or would you disagree and say that women are far more supportive of something that benefits men (e.g. equal parenting obligations - not just money - after a divorce)?

Looking at those two examples I've highlighted (charity, causes), I honestly find that men are considerably more supportive of anything that helps women out than women are of anything that helps men out.

Obviously I don't mean to discredit the few women who DO support true equality for men and women, this is a generalized post so it will have some minor level of hyperbole due to the general nature of the thread.

Must have missed that Marx....I believe men and women are far more sympathetic towards women charities. Part of that is that whole women are victims mambo jambo....ah well

Erin Pizzey famously couldn't get the men bankrolling her domestic violence shelters for women to shell out for even one for men.

I doubt the situation has changed very much, almost no one is willing to help men. Gender feminists seem to take the attitude that they would like to help men one day, just as soon as they've helped every single women who needs it first (i.e. it's never going to happen).

Poll added & moved to polls.

If women help men more than vice versa, then the sky is pink, the grass is blue, Harriet Harman is an MRA, and I have an afro....

Until someone comes up with a cast-iron way of measuring this issue, I am sure both men and women will claim the kudos for themselves.

I would suggest that a standard distribution is what pertains moderated by circumstances.

Most people will be generous when it suits them and selfish too. I have known many incredibly selfish men, and women. I have known great generosity from both sexes too.

The attitude by some men on this forum cannot be considered generous when it comes to being challenged by women who come here.

Frankly it is a provocative and rather dim question (with respect) which leads not a step toward a solution to feminism and misandry. It is of the class, "mine's bigger than yours", which is better left in the playground.

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Until someone comes up with a cast-iron way of measuring this issue, I am sure both men and women will claim the kudos for themselves.

Rather than attacking me, why not just answer based on your own observations? Do more men support feminism or more women support MRA causes? Do more men give to women's cancer charities or vice versa? Do more women support men-only support groups, etc. etc.?

[QUOTE=Marx;255364]Rather than attacking me,

I am not 'attacking' you, my respected pal

why not just answer based on your own observations?

I have not made enough to give a definitive assessment.

Do more men support feminism or more women support MRA causes?

?Is this a measure of 'generosity'

Do more men give to women's cancer charities or vice versa?

Do more women support men-only support groups, etc. etc.?[

I no more have the figures for these as you have. I can only repeat what I said before. Sorry.
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Sir Percy, your's is bigger than mine? you know after all it is still cold where I live. The metrics are hard to establish, and depend upon definitions which of course might be skewed to that which one desires to advocate for.
As Sir Percy has said, and to which I agree, there are generous men and women, misers in the lot as well. There is an effort to denigrate men's charity. It is worth noting, for instance in America, that women and men seem willing to give..
.to charitites specifically aimed at one sex - an AM poster has brought that to light (above) and that is not without validity.
It is also worth note, that sometimes quietly, patrons support what many enjoy..
.the metrics need better definition not to become a toy.

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I am not 'attacking' you, my respected pal

I have not made enough to give a definitive assessment.

Is this a measure of 'generosity'

I no more have the figures for these as you have. I can only repeat what I said before. Sorry.
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The 'dim' word kinda struck a nerve there.... Nonetheless, I'm sure we can draw conclusion from just what we see with our own eyes on a day to day basis.

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Just to reiterate my first line, for those who skimmed passed and missed it:


"do you think men or women are more generous to the other sex?"

i.e. excluding dating, as it's commonly held throughout most societies (that I know of) that the man must pay for a woman's company - let alone anything else... So let's take Feckless' example of 'charity':

Do you find in your experiences that men will contribute to a woman-only charity (e.g. breast cancer, safe-houses) more often or with a higher monetary donation than women donate towards men-only charities (such as prostate cancer).

If we remove the charity factor, do you find that men are more supportive (vocally, opinionated, etc.) towards something that benefits women (e.g. keeping a safe-house from closing down due to government cuts), or would you disagree and say that women are far more supportive of something that benefits men (e.g. equal parenting obligations - not just money - after a divorce)?

Looking at those two examples I've highlighted (charity, causes), I honestly find that men are considerably more supportive of anything that helps women out than women are of anything that helps men out.

Obviously I don't mean to discredit the few women who DO support true equality for men and women, this is a generalized post so it will have some minor level of hyperbole due to the general nature of the thread.

I believe that men are highly supportive of women's charity and causes as a whole. I don't see large efforts or money from women flowing to men's issues or charities. A perfect example is the breast cancer programs and charities. Where I used to work there was a two week period when there was massive amounts of emails from corporate HR, executive management, and external charities asking for donations to multiple breast cancer charities. It became almost a "mandatory" need for the employees to donate money or their time. This really sickened me because of all of the massive employer pressure on employees to donate. We even had to attend a MANDATORY presentation by the breast cancer charity. They really laid the guilt on the men to contribute (for their mothers, sisters, aunts, and grandmothers). Quite frankly it just pissed me off. The guilt trip was over the top. Now consider what happened when a cancer charity for prostate and colon cancer came a calling. One email from HR. ONE freaking email. At that was all, no full court press, no overt pressure from management to contribute, just a watery email..... Do I see and believe men contribute more to women's causes and charities? Without a doubt. Do I see women actively helping and contributing to men's causes? Partially, the only women I see in those causes and charities are the ones who have been directly affected -Loss of a brother, husband, son, uncle, et cetera.