There simply HAS to be violence.. Without violence, there will be NO changes..
Sorry for the bad news on this one.. No one is scared of words.. Actions are what counts..

That's your opinion, Drex, and while completely valid as opinions go, you'll have to forgive me if I don't equate it to fact. Many campaigns have been fought and won on their merits without the use of violence. I'm going to haphazard a guess that the majority of individuals who would condemn the discrepecies in law and villianization of men would not be willing to embrace a movement that practices violence to achieve their aims.

As far as most moderates being full-blooded feminists, I would agree that the majority are, but that's because they've bought into what they've been fed. They've accepted it as reality. Like I said, we need to change the perception.

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That's your opinion, Drex, and while completely valid as opinions go, you'll have to forgive me if I don't equate it to fact. Many campaigns have been fought and won on their merits without the use of violence. I'm going to haphazard a guess that the majority of individuals who would condemn the discrepecies in law and villianization of men would not be willing to embrace a movement that practices violence to achieve their aims.

As far as most moderates being full-blooded feminists, I would agree that the majority are, but that's because they've bought into what they've been fed. They've accepted it as reality. Like I said, we need to change the perception.

I will forgive you but only because you do not understand, which is in itself understandable!!

Violence and the fear of it drives change in this sort of area because that is the nature of the beast..

It largely drove the rise of feminism, fear of male violence that was allegedly running rampant.. (like, what has changed????) but feminism was also driven by a POSITIVE aspect, increased economic output and the ability of the state to raise afr more revenue and control and employ more people..

The mrm always distances itself from violence, but, that is ludicrous because it hypocritically also USES it in shedloads to try and prove its points..

Wiser men than me have said that until the MRM stops distancing itself from violence, it will get precisely nowhere, it will actually, reverse any hope for men, it will become, as if it is not already, an "impotent cock"..

The violence is already happening, the streets are flowing with blood..

The mrm simply does not capitalise on what is already happening to make its points..

We dont have to devise a "kill your fucking evil ex" campaign to prove that we men will not stand for women fucking us over..

Men are already doing that..

We dont need to reccomend "smack the fucking bitch in the jaw"..

Men are already doing that..

We dont need to even say "hang yourself" to men..

They are already doing that..

What we need to do is perhaps link these "non mrm" ?? crimes with the reality of what feminism is driving men to..

Drex, consider that perhaps it's not that I don't understand you, but that I just don't completely agree with you. I agree with you that violence in an undeniable result of feminism, and THAT I don't think should be ignored. The breakdown in the dynamic between men and women, the increased episodes of depression and suicide by men, the anger and rage that's being caused by feminism....no, those things need to be addressed. Society needs to recognize what the campaign against men is reaping and what's been created by it. HOWEVER, there's a marked difference between recognizing something for the purpose of countering it and embracing it.

We ARE winning!!!!! We don't focus on the work that is being done because these boards are still teaching others of the bias. Soon though, the teaching will stop and the work will be the main focus. The majority of people eye's HAVE opened or are on the verge of opening.

ROFL! Like my husband would let me go to Karl's house!

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ROFL! Like my husband would let me go to Karl's house!

Like you would let him stay home and miss out on such an important event!

I checked off "withdraw from society", which, I now see, is what most people checked off.

What I would really love to see is, most men refusing to get married, and so, driving the desperate feminists into lifelong loneliness with their multitude of cats, Haagen-daaz in the freezer, and their feminist meetings.

Why do I seek that kind of vengeance on them so badly? Because not only have they destroyed good relationships between men and women, they have ruined children and caused the deaths of 1.6 million unborn children per yr in the US alone, and they have helped ruin much that was good in the lives of normal women who are not feminists. So I seek revenge on THREE fronts.

Let them die of loneliness, in their old age. Let them see what their politicizing hath wrought. And let it be too late for them.

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Drex, consider that perhaps it's not that I don't understand you, but that I just don't completely agree with you. I agree with you that violence in an undeniable result of feminism, and THAT I don't think should be ignored. The breakdown in the dynamic between men and women, the increased episodes of depression and suicide by men, the anger and rage that's being caused by feminism....no, those things need to be addressed. Society needs to recognize what the campaign against men is reaping and what's been created by it. HOWEVER, there's a marked difference between recognizing something for the purpose of countering it and embracing it.

You fail to realise that violence is what the state uses and the state seeks to monopolise this power because it is so extremely effective..

You fail to realise that violence is what the state uses and the state seeks to monopolise this power because it is so extremely effective..

Nope, I don't fail to realize that. I fail to embrace it as a policy. My personal integrity permits me from embracing policies I find abhorrent. For me, whether or not 'the enemies' embrace the tactic has no bearing on the issue, except to make them all the more deplorable in my eyes.

We need not necessarily initiate violence. A tax strike might do the job. If only 10% of men suddenly refuse to pay taxes, the whole system will be put in jeopardy.

This is something that we can do for ourselves. The initiative lies with us. We have to get the message out to as many men as possible and get them organized.

Of course, the State will not react well to being deprived of oxygen. Arrests will be made, men will be ruined, there will be struggle and confusion. It is unavoidable that somewhere along the line violence will be involved, either by them, us or third parties.

In the end, however, we men are the ones upholding this system. When Atlas shrugs the world as we know it will fall.

We need to be united, we need to be many and we need to be determined.

Like a union.

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I checked off "withdraw from society", which, I now see, is what most people checked off.

What I would really love to see is, most men refusing to get married, and so, driving the desperate feminists into lifelong loneliness with their multitude of cats, Haagen-daaz in the freezer, and their feminist meetings.

Why do I seek that kind of vengeance on them so badly? Because not only have they destroyed good relationships between men and women, they have ruined children and caused the deaths of 1.6 million unborn children per yr in the US alone, and they have helped ruin much that was good in the lives of normal women who are not feminists. So I seek revenge on THREE fronts.

Let them die of loneliness, in their old age. Let them see what their politicizing hath wrought. And let it be too late for them.

Annette, in my country it is not just the females suffering because of men standing off marriage but also the men suffering because the women are standing off marriage.

I do like to mix with men more than just friends but I can't find any around my age that have older children. Most have none and are wanting to meet someone to have children with and many have little children and are separated. I am actually becoming comfortable with a little dog. This is a preference for women who don't like cats.

Asking men to hold off or not marry at all is just as damaging to the females as it is to themsleves. But I don't mind. I am prepared to have a sea of single men awaiting for me when they have raised their children.

Julie,

Truthfully, if my husband had not asked me to marry him about 25 yrs ago, I would have stayed single by choice. In fact I tried weasling myself out of the marriage the night before, but he talked me back into it with some help from my Dad.

I've always preferred to be alone. I have friends, and I like them, but I like my privacy and alone time, too. I never really wanted marriage, and although I got it, I could have taken it or left it.

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Julie,

Truthfully, if my husband had not asked me to marry him about 25 yrs ago, I would have stayed single by choice. In fact I tried weasling myself out of the marriage the night before, but he talked me back into it with some help from my Dad.

I've always preferred to be alone. I have friends, and I like them, but I like my privacy and alone time, too. I never really wanted marriage, and although I got it, I could have taken it or left it.

I hear you.

Well now that you have explained it to me TSP I have to agree then that meetings would be a good thing and maybe in these meetings we can hash out some kind of locail plan to keep reaching out and waking more men up as well as taking a few well placed poltical strikes aganst the femenests with all of the curent data on DV false rape claims and so on and in doing so we make some noise that might only get noitced by one in a thousand but that's just one more man woken up and made aware of what's going down and hopeful another soilder in the ranks.

As for the use of violence I don't much care for it but if passive restances and work/tax/marriage strikes don't work and the femensts and the goverment they to put the boots to us then I say retalate in kind if there is no other option but to use violence to remain free and safe and to safe gaurd our families