4F, listen you! OK, that is my sarcastic mark to bring you down to earth.

This is not you (the complete you) saying this stuff.

You know women more than most guys. Women talk to you from their soul. And you talk to them from your soul.

I know you try to figure this out just like I do.

This is a big deal. A really, really big deal.

BTW, I am in a very serious mood today. I am sure you can appreciate this.

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4F, listen you! OK, that is my sarcastic mark to bring you down to earth.

This is not you (the complete you) saying this stuff.

You know women more than most guys. Women talk to you from their soul. And you talk to them from your soul.

I know you try to figure this out just like I do.

This is a big deal. A really, really big deal.

BTW, I am in a very serious mood today. I am sure you can appreciate this.

Yes, you and I are trying to figure stuff out.

It does not help when most people are not being really honest.

And I would say that is probably the majority of folk in the movement!!

I am trying to get to understand what men really want from women.

What makes a good marraige, relationship prospect?

I am focusing in on one area that, well, go back 50 years and I am sure things would have been very diferrent!

I have seen women gain the upper hand in the sex game, it is now largely in their hands, but.. They have a lot more competition and therefore the men are not so willing to stay put are they?

I have seen things change very much and the pace of change seems to be getting faster.

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Yes, you and I are trying to figure stuff out.

It does not help when most people are not being really honest.

And I would say that is probably the majority of folk in the movement!!

I am trying to get to understand what men really want from women.

What makes a good marraige, relationship prospect?

I am focusing in on one area that, well, go back 50 years and I am sure things would have been very diferrent!

I have seen women gain the upper hand in the sex game, it is now largely in their hands, but.. They have a lot more competition and therefore the men are not so willing to stay put are they?

I have seen things change very much and the pace of change seems to be getting faster.

I am not into pulling sentences a part one by one. I did hear reasoning for it by, hmm, what is his name .... oh, I remember.... Gonzman.

Have you come across him, 4F. He is an amazing man. Sometimes I feel very lucky that I am an action person because I don't know what I would do if I found myself on the receiving end of him. But just for sheer fun I want to go head to head with him. I really want men to see the other side. But they just put this wall up. OMG, us women just shame. Oh for fuck sakes. I have been with the worst of men and never once have I ever heard challenging as shaming. I can't understand the MRM and I never will.

You were right to make fun of a magic wand to make me a nice girl.

Anyhow, to your comment. (BTW, I just love you being here. You take me the right way)

We can't go back. We can't be 1950's. Technology won't allow us.

Stop looking for other peoples answer for life. They have the right to figure it out themselves.

OK, for fun. Deal with this problem. It is on my doorstep.

Ages ago I told of a man like you who is always horny. Spent 4 months in prison for false charges against him from his wife who he married so that she could get in the country and become a citizen. Immigration said no but women's refuge said yes.

Dear friend of mine BTW. I have known him for 13 years. Really nice bloke. Too nice really. His wife kicked him out and he gave her $30,000 plus the $15,000 car and all the new furniture. (as well as doing the 4 months in prison)

So he moves into another mates house.

But he is thinking with his (you know) head and starts visiting this woman across the road. Gosh, she has a few young guys protecting her and he gets beaten up.

He tells me of this and I tell him that his day is over. They young bucks have the streets now. They punch fast and hard because he is not a young buck any more.

But his head (you know) has the better of him and he keeps driving this women around where ever she wants to go and stays the night whenever he gets the chance.

He comes home to our friend and says, "I have had enough of her" but then one hour later he is back over there.

Now we find out that he boyfriend is coming home. He has finished his prison sentence.

So, what do you do about this? Is this the woman's movement fault?

Shall I tell you another 50 stories similar?

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I am not into pulling sentences a part one by one. I did hear reasoning for it by, hmm, what is his name .... oh, I remember.... Gonzman.

Have you come across him, 4F. He is an amazing man. Sometimes I feel very lucky that I am an action person because I don't know what I would do if I found myself on the receiving end of him. But just for sheer fun I want to go head to head with him. I really want men to see the other side. But they just put this wall up. OMG, us women just shame. Oh for fuck sakes. I have been with the worst of men and never once have I ever heard challenging as shaming. I can't understand the MRM and I never will.

You were right to make fun of a magic wand to make me a nice girl.

Anyhow, to your comment. (BTW, I just love you being here. You take me the right way)

We can't go back. We can't be 1950's. Technology won't allow us.

Stop looking for other peoples answer for life. They have the right to figure it out themselves.

OK, for fun. Deal with this problem. It is on my doorstep.

Ages ago I told of a man like you who is always horny. Spent 4 months in prison for false charges against him from his wife who he married so that she could get in the country and become a citizen. Immigration said no but women's refuge said yes.

Dear friend of mine BTW. I have known him for 13 years. Really nice bloke. Too nice really. His wife kicked him out and he gave her $30,000 plus the $15,000 car and all the new furniture. (as well as doing the 4 months in prison)

So he moves into another mates house.

But he is thinking with his (you know) head and starts visiting this woman across the road. Gosh, she has a few young guys protecting her and he gets beaten up.

He tells me of this and I tell him that his day is over. They young bucks have the streets now. They punch fast and hard because he is not a young buck any more.

But his head (you know) has the better of him and he keeps driving this women around where ever she wants to go and stays the night whenever he gets the chance.

He comes home to our friend and says, "I have had enough of her" but then one hour later he is back over there.

Now we find out that he boyfriend is coming home. He has finished his prison sentence.

So, what do you do about this? Is this the woman's movement fault?

Shall I tell you another 50 stories similar?

Every story is primarily about the players in that story. Folk make their choices and get the consequences, that can be usually predicted!!

What the womens movement has done, if its really fair to blame that movement, which was as I often say allowed by men, was to alter the scene quite drastically and this had an effect on everyone.

Now relationships are far more volatile, there is more chopping and changing going on. I dont think human nature has really changed though.

But I do think it is now more difficult to find true satisfaction when it comes to finding "the one"..

nowdays wimin can screw with any body they want and at any time - the choice is entirely theirs

a woman just has to sit down and wink and some guy will come running

and what ever their choice and no matter how many guys she has serviced if she is good looking she can get a man just about any time she wants

her only problem is getting the right man

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nowdays wimin can screw with any body they want and at any time - the choice is entirely theirs

a woman just has to sit down and wink and some guy will come running

and what ever their choice and no matter how many guys she has serviced if she is good looking she can get a man just about any time she wants

You honestly make me laugh. I came across a comment of yours the other day and noticed that you didn't have a dummy in your mouth. How can that be?

But seriously, I was sure there was more to you than remarks against marriage. And low and behold you say something reasonable in my books.

You are not a silly man. You have something to say. And I seriously want to hear it. I think women are precious. I think you are too.

Can you give any solution to this? Because if you have a thought, I want to hear it. All our thoughts are way out field. Yours cannot be any worse.

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Every story is primarily about the players in that story. Folk make their choices and get the consequences, that can be usually predicted!!

What the womens movement has done, if its really fair to blame that movement, which was as I often say allowed by men, was to alter the scene quite drastically and this had an effect on everyone.

Now relationships are far more volatile, there is more chopping and changing going on. I dont think human nature has really changed though.

But I do think it is now more difficult to find true satisfaction when it comes to finding "the one"..

I am just wondering about something 4F. We get told that the 1950's were great. But everything I read about history is not telling me the same story.

Hey, I wasn't there. I can't say.

But neither were you. So, how can you say?

Why are you wanting to go back? You have power over your sons and daughters and yet you are suggesting they live in a time that the people who lived in that time don't recommend.

You need to throw away the negative you have been fed. Honestly you need to start trusting you.

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I am just wondering about something 4F. We get told that the 1950's were great. But everything I read about history is not telling me the same story.

Hey, I wasn't there. I can't say.

But neither were you. So, how can you say?

Why are you wanting to go back? You have power over your sons and daughters and yet you are suggesting they live in a time that the people who lived in that time don't recommend.

You need to throw away the negative you have been fed. Honestly you need to start trusting you.

not sure how much of that is true julie. I often hear people speak of those days that they lived through as being better than today

my only problem with Julie is wading trough her reams of typed twaddle she must be getting repetitive strain injury in her fingers

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my only problem with Julie is wading trough her reams of typed twaddle she must be getting repetitive strain injury in her fingers

Oh, you are nice. Thanx for caring for me...,

BTW, you .... I think I still have right of equality so I will play back. lol

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not sure how much of that is true julie. I often hear people speak of those days that they lived through as being better than today

From men?

Look the MRM told me that the women before the 1960's feminism were the happiest. So I asked them, but they said, "No".

I guess we are back to who should control who, eh?

Look the MRM told me that the women before the 1960's feminism were the happiest. So I asked them, but they said, "No".

I don't think it has so much to do with the time period but with the degree of values. These values could exist at any time period if people choose to embrace them.

People used to be more honest, they used to have more integrity and they used to care more about other people. I read something once about the state I live in where a person who visited described their experience here like going back in time because nobody locked their doors, strangers actually said 'hi' to you on the street and if your car broke down or ran out of gas, people would stop and help you out.

Unfortunately, in today's world, these things happen less and less frequently. People don't care about or for other people anymore; we've relegated that responsibility to the state.

No matter what the time period, the ideal for most people is a happy marriage, a family and children who are well-adjusted and grow up to be decent people. These things are becoming rare in today's world. Marriage and families are being considered relics of a bygone age when, in fact, they are the very things that hold society together.

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I don't think it has so much to do with the time period but with the degree of values. These values could exist at any time period if people choose to embrace them.

People used to be more honest, they used to have more integrity and they used to care more about other people. I read something once about the state I live in where a person who visited described their experience here like going back in time because nobody locked their doors, strangers actually said 'hi' to you on the street and if your car broke down or ran out of gas, people would stop and help you out.

Unfortunately, in today's world, these things happen less and less frequently. People don't care about or for other people anymore; we've relegated that responsibility to the state.

No matter what the time period, the ideal for most people is a happy marriage, a family and children who are well-adjusted and grow up to be decent people. These things are becoming rare in today's world. Marriage and families are being considered relics of a bygone age when, in fact, they are the very things that hold society together.

Kim these values still happen. Unfortunately they only happen in the bad world.

When it comes down to it ...... your so called great life never existed.

Feminism is not to blame for the breakdown in families. Not really.

It was happening since the 1920s. That is when the teenagers stopped listening to parents. Y'all lost control but you just want to blame someone.

Look, I have the worst kids. I am the worst kid. My siblings are the worst kids. But we made it. And all without parent control. None of us have criminal records.

You can't beat the statistics.

Kim,. can you do me a big favour. Please. I really like you. Honestly, I do.

Can you ask the moderators to kick me off this site. I can't follow your ideology any more than I can follow feminist ideology.