Move towards an activism based forum?

[haahoo]

I have always been interested in activism based groups. Unfortunately, such groups seem to be no longer "active" in the movement, other than the low level "soft" groups that work very much within the system and hence dont have much effect in reality..

This is not to say such groups are TOTALLY ineffective, they just dont really have much ability to produce the sort of results we would like and the small glimmers of hope they offer involved a great deal of effort to get much "benefit"..

Before going into a list of "issues" that the movement should be addressing, I would like to know how many folk are GENUINELY interested in giving up their time and resources to direct energies towards REAL-LIFE activism.?

[chevalier]

Hahhoo why don't we all gather up then and do a march? Oh that's rights the MRM isn't yet big enough for people to go to rallies or such. So right now this is what have and complaining and down talking this site doesn't make the MRM big enough to do those things.

We have to use the tools we have available to us. Instead of complain that we don't have the tools we want.

[haahoo]

Hahhoo why don't we all gather up then and do a march? Oh that's rights the MRM isn't yet big enough for people to go to rallies or such. So right now this is what have and complaining and down talking this site doesn't make the MRM big enough to do those things.

We have to use the tools we have available to us. Instead of complain that we don't have the tools we want.

There have been times when groups have been able to gather up folk and do stuff that makes a difference. It has happened so it can happen again..

If we dont have the tools we want, we should make them surely? Or scrape the rust off them!

I think we have the tools, this site provides tools, we just have to find ways of getting folk to use them effectively which they could do if they actually picked them up for more than 10 seconds before getting destracted by feminist nonsense..

There are periodically, noble attempts made to "lead" the movement, but these efforts come to nothing because the folk who attempt to lead are not fit for purpose or just as often they get no back up from folk because they may differ on a few points.

[chevalier]

Hahoo I can agree with much of your last post some men are able to go to rallies. But how big are they? How far away from many of us are they?

I am not saying we should do nothing but type on a computer far from it but for many of us the movement is still to small and disorganised to make it possible to do anything more than type on a keyboard.

If they hold a rally some place I can get to I am there. But in the meantime I don't have the means to go to Washington.

Iguess I could march by myself outside of my rural court house but all that would do is get me arrested and have no impact.

I suspect the same holds true for many members here.

[chevalier]

Because of the way the poll is worded I chose number 2.

[Feckless]

Chev is somehow right....look hahoo is in England, Chev in the states and I am in Germany. Doing a simple task like drinking a beer together is sth we will probably never get done. Not even that I organised a party for an online game clan I was admin of (old times old times) roughly 5 out of 200 people finally came to that party (and imagine that Germany is far smaller than the USA (the size of Texas)). So to really achieve sth you need a whole lot of people (and I am talking about massive amounts) from the same place. Now AM is an international board and people from x different coutries are posting. This makes acitivism so much harder. What we can do however is among those lines:

http://antimisandry.com/activism-med...-do-14971.html

Activism btw is a subforum here. Of course anyone should post actual events there.

[haahoo]

Hahoo I can agree with much of your last post some men are able to go to rallies. But how big are they? How far away from many of us are they?

I am not saying we should do nothing but type on a computer far from it but for many of us the movement is still to small and disorganised to make it possible to do anything more than type on a keyboard.

If they hold a rally some place I can get to I am there. But in the meantime I don't have the means to go to Washington.

Iguess I could march by myself outside of my rural court house but all that would do is get me arrested and have no impact.

I suspect the same holds true for many members here.

Yes, we cannot run before we can walk, and efforts at trying to do so will be more trouble than they are worth..

BUT, I know in the UK there was, a few years ago, an organisation that was active and provided opportunities for activism, f4j.

Now, that group did not tap into even 1% of the potential support it could have had in theory, and the situation they were protesting about has got WORSE since they started, so, the potential is still out there?

I believe there are ways of growing an activism based movement, several ways, but the best and most solid way would be not a sudden burst into the media limelight like the f4j movement did under matt o connors financial push, but a more solid movement based on personal commitments and brothehood not "quick fix" mentalities..

I know at least a handful of folk on here are "on" for active service, of which I would count you in..

That figure just needs increasing..

[Feckless]

haahoo....this might be the wrong place as this is an international board (however I welcome more activism). For example German organisations like "Väteraufbruch für Kinder" (a fathers organisation) are going on the streets having rallies and such. Activism usually means you need some people near you. Sadly AM-users are parted all arround the globe so for activism we have to resort to the "www". Of course I can post some German events here and wonder why noone is comming...

[haahoo]

Chev is somehow right....look hahoo is in England, Chev in the states and I am in Germany. Doing a simple task like drinking a beer together is sth we will probably never get done. Not even that I organised a party for an online game clan I was admin of (old times old times) roughly 5 out of 200 people finally came to that party (and imagine that Germany is far smaller than the USA (the size of Texas)). So to really achieve sth you need a whole lot of people (and I am talking about massive amounts) from the same place. Now AM is an international board and people from x different coutries are posting. This makes acitivism so much harder. What we can do however is among those lines:

http://antimisandry.com/activism-med...-do-14971.html

Activism btw is a subforum here. Of course anyone should post actual events there.

Yes, geographical dispersion is major issue, but meeting up is the first stage beyond the discovery of like-minded folk because we cant discuss action on forum in many cases.

There are tools available, they just dont get used, marx has always seemed willing, but the will of more than just a few must be there before anything can be done.

In order to move in an activism based direction, there needs to first of all be a will, and a sense of hope that it is possible.

[chevalier]

I agree once we can get the movement in gear and learn how to gather numbers efficiently feminism won't satnd a chance nor will all of the lame ass politicians that do as feminists demand of them.

Calling for action is a good motivator. And I whole heartedly agree that we should all be doing something to get the movement growing.

I myself tell every one I know of all the latest studies that prove feminism is a lie and that the government has pulled the wool over most peoples eyes concerning actual equality between the genders.

But my biggest activity for any willing listener is to tell them the tactics feminists use to get their way. And not surprisingly I get many men who call me and say that they can now see what is going on around them.

Those are all potential members of the MRM. Sadly many of those still suffer from years of feeling guilty about being men and won't even come to this site.

I think many of them are worried a woman will find out and shame them.

[Feckless]

I moved the posts from the Tera is banned thread over here. There is no need to have the same discussion in 2 threads.

[chevalier]

True.

[Feckless]

Yes, geographical dispersion is major issue, but meeting up is the first stage beyond the discovery of like-minded folk because we cant discuss action on forum in many cases.

There are tools available, they just dont get used, marx has always seemed willing, but the will of more than just a few must be there before anything can be done.

In order to move in an activism based direction, there needs to first of all be a will, and a sense of hope that it is possible.

For activism like going on the street rallying, people should rely on local organisations (F4J for example). But I see no reasons why we shouldn encourage web-based activism. Writing e-mails, blogging about stuff leads to meeting other folk and maybe some consideration by politics (optimistic today).

[haahoo]

I agree once we can get the movement in gear and learn how to gather numbers efficiently feminism won't satnd a chance nor will all of the lame ass politicians that do as feminists demand of them.

Calling for action is a good motivator. And I whole heartedly agree that we should all be doing something to get the movement growing.

I myself tell every one I know of all the latest studies that prove feminism is a lie and that the government has pulled the wool over most peoples eyes concerning actual equality between the genders.

But my biggest activity for any willing listener is to tell them the tactics feminists use to get their way. And not surprisingly I get many men who call me and say that they can now see what is going on around them.

Those are all potential members of the MRM. Sadly many of those still suffer from years of feeling guilty about being men and won't even come to this site.

I think many of them are worried a woman will find out and shame them.

Yes. One of the many worries I hear is "what will they think, those folk who are in positions of power over me regards my contact problems with my kids if they find out I am part of a mens movement against them?"

My answer is on two levels..

Firstly, it matters not much what they think. Seriously. They will not alter their position on the basis that you are a man who is prepared to stand up against shit that affects your ability to be a father, any different to their already existing belief that, as a man, you are by default a "dangerous" character..

In fact, my position has never in any way been other than strenghtened by the adverseries realising that I will not conceded ANYTHING to them!

Judges are NOT the same as lawyers, or feminazis, and they are the ones who have the final word!

(they are also the ones who are in the direct firing line should they fuck up in the eyes of those they judge, so they will not be so dumb as to make rash judgements !)


Secondly, are we men or mice cowering before the might of feminine opinion?

I will never assume mouse status for the "right" to eat crumbs tossed down from the table of rats!

[chevalier]

Feminism probably got it's start with two women gossiping with each other. And I doubt that they had a lot of women sighn on immediately.

It took time. As it will us. I honestly think we are just one blatantly sexist law away from having more recruits than we know what to do with.

There will be a trigger and it will be a faminist or a feminist supporter who pulls it then the fight will be ours.

That is how movements work. You have a few people around that everyone calls crazy until something happens to prove them right then the doo doo hits the fan and the movement takes off.

It will happen feminists are too gredy and stupid to know when to stop or they would have a long time ago.