TERA, the obligation to make yourself understood is not limited to your profession.

You say you made it as clear as you could, but you, yourself, said you did not expect anyone to understand it.

Well, why not go the whole hog; chose Swahili on your MS for a few posts and really do a good job in being obscure.

How much selfishness is needed just to exist...physically, psychologically, spiritually?

How much sacrifice is needed in order for others to exist?

How much do we give before we have nothing left with which to survive?

What if you give, you sacrifice, you put yourself (your needs) last...always...how long until you are depleted and are of no use not only for taking care of yourself but others who depend on you?

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TERA, the obligation to make yourself understood is not limited to your profession.

You say you made it as clear as you could, but you, yourself, said you did not expect anyone to understand it.

Well, why not go the whole hog; chose Swahili on your MS for a few posts and really do a good job in being obscure.

Are you saying that you don't understand what I wrote?

I will try and think of a way to put it more clearly...but you're going to have to be patient because right now I don't have the words.

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Not a problem.


Feminism would not have succeeded without the support of men. Men wanted their women to be happy; they didn't suspect that they would end up despised for their kindness. I think, at the onset, feminism succeeded because of how very much men loved women. In return, feminists used men to give women a common cause....something they could fight against...something they could hate. If you really look at it, it's a betrayal of horrific proportions.

Once again I must commend and thank you for being able to express my thoughts in a eloquent manner

Sometimes leaving a marriage or relationship is about survival....and if survival is selfish, then we are all selfish to some degree. Some more so, some less.

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How much selfishness is needed just to exist...physically, psychologically, spiritually?

How much sacrifice is needed in order for others to exist?

How much do we give before we have nothing left with which to survive?

What if you give, you sacrifice, you put yourself (your needs) last...always...how long until you are depleted and are of no use not only for taking care of yourself but others who depend on you?

That would occur, I imagine, if you are sufferring under a person who is extraordinarioly selfish.. Or it is simply an great exageration to be used as an excuse!
You have several times mentioned that you and the prat you choose as a partner took drugs.
That in itself makes relationships very difficult. And in itself is very selfish.

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...and an act of perceived selfishness may in fact be an act of selflessness. Letting go might be a blessing to both rather than a curse, even if both do not want to let go..

I find this to be true of my own divorce. We fought to stay together...stayed together and destroyed each other. Our love would have killed us if one of us didn't finally decide to call it quits. There is a fine line between love and hate. I know from my own experience that both can exist at the same time....however, only for awhile. Sometimes love wins. Sometimes it doesn't. I love him still. But we are both better off for being apart.

I don't expect anyone to understand what I just said. Guess only I (and maybe Julie) knows what this means.

I would very much like to help you open peoples eyes. But sites are not the tool for what you want to do.

It isn't just me and you who know this stuff. There is a a huge amount of people who work in the field of relationships, the courts, the policies, the global meetings with researchers and professors, the prisons, the drug and alcohol counsellors, the women's refuges, women groups, manginas, priests, .... I could go on for another 5 minutes naming everyone involved. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, counsellors, blah, blah, blah.

I know for a fact that high up they want the men's groups to understand there are so many outliers to consider. They resent the fact that groups consistently target from a selfi .... oops. Um, from a place of pain.

That's what men sites are. A place for men to release their pain. A place to talk about men's interests without women. Something has changed, we are here.

I spent some of yesterday working with Human Rights Commission. I wanted to refer each e-mail I was replying to this site or another men's site.

But then I paused to check whether I should do that.

Decided no of course.

I need to find the right sites where these people can learn the point of view of the other side.

These people are better than us. I am sure you will understand that I mean we not at their level.

I know for a fact that high up they want the men's groups to understand there are so many outliers to consider. They resent the fact that groups consistently target from a selfi .... oops. Um, from a place of pain.

No pain here

never divorced ( i am lucky that marriage passed me by ) no children I am unable to see, no alimony payments etc

some of us just see through the bullshit that feminism has become ( a political movement for the advancement of those that have no talent to advance themselves but rather need preferential treatment) and decide to lend support to their fellow males.

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No pain here

never divorced ( i am lucky that marriage passed me by ) no children I am unable to see, no alimony payments etc

some of us just see through the bullshit that feminism has become ( a political movement for the advancement of those that have no talent to advance themselves but rather need preferential treatment) and decide to lend support to their fellow males.

Absolutely. It is great having men and women discussing relationships and unfairness and sharing other info on the web.

I get a real kick out of this site and the people on it.

It just can't be taken too seriously, sometimes. I don't know if you have ever been interviewed for the newspaper? Half of what comes out is not what you say. The media has it's own life.

Are you saying that you don't understand what I wrote?

No TERA.

Don't turn it back on me.

YOU said you didn't expect anyone (except Julie) to understand.

Own your own words.

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You're only saying "hero" because his victims were women.

Wrong, I'm saying he's a hero because he is teaching people who need to be taught a lesson, a lesson. If I went onto a website for the sole purpose of finding a rich woman, then I wouldn't cry like an 8 year old girl if I was ripped off, it would totally serve my greedy arse right.

Anyway Tera, shouldn't you be far more pissed off that there are such women who use such websites in the first place? They are after all, giving your gender a terrible name.

I would not call him a hero, but I have zero understandings for all his victims, who replied and gave money to him.

A homeless man is posing as a millionaire, telling strange stories, and 13 women are sending him about USD 8000,- / totally about USD 100.000,-, which is relatively a modest risk, not really such a huge amount per person. Poor women obviously still can afford to give it away without asking too many questions.

Let's try it the other way, a young man is posing honestly on the same dating-site, what he really is...20+, never in prison, has an ordinary job and a small salary, likes to have contact with a girl, who is willing to meet him, to help him with some money for housing and job to improve his situation, to live together with him....How much money do you think, he will collect from girls? Answer: Zero and a remark like 'Piss off my eyes you loser'.

The other question is about punishment. For a man to do this with women means to be accused of theft, fraud and is a ticket to jail.

What is happening to a woman, who is doing the same with men?
Looking for rich men, talking to them by internet, explaining how poor they are, but with money a fine business would be possible, asking openly for money... etc. etc...
Not much I guess...

While I understand, he should not do this as it is a crime, I feel no sympathy for the victims.

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Just out of curiosity, if these women had been victims of a serial rapist or serial killer (rather than a con artist), would you have any empathy then? Or would their victimization still "make your day"?

if some woman who had falsely accused a man of rape got raped and killed, oh yeah, it would make my day!
whenever some fuckin thief tries to break in somwhere and ends up full of lead in a puddle of his/her own piss/shit/blood
yeah it makes my day
when some gangbanging monkey in south dallas gets shot and crippled for life and the other one who did it gets 40 years in the pen
yeah it makes my day
whenever some pedo's daughter comes back after being abused for years and hard candy's his ass
yeah that makes my day
when some ass kissing pro feminist mangina gets taken for everything he is worth and is driven to kill himself
yeah that makes my day
when some gold digging bitch chooses a man by the size of his rims and his wallet and ends up getting Ike Turner'd on a regular basis
it makes my fucking day