Could elaborate on your definition of a '5th column' please, drex?

Discounting trolls and outright feminazis trying to disrupt, I think the answer is no.

There are increasing numbers of women who are login on to MRA sites who carry feminist baggage but are interested in being educated and explaining their positions. Not all are 'feminists' but rather beneficiaries of privilege. Some bring a perspective of womanhood. I have no problem with discussing issues with them.

While some MRAs stick to a rigid Men's Rights platform, my concern is more with Human Rights and the attack on our society. I don't like the 'rights' approach or the privileges.

Feminazis cannot 'influence' a true MRA. But we can influence the women who show some inclination to discuss matters reasonably.

Indeed percy, I take your point. It is my opinion that the feminists are seeing the writing on the wall for themselves are are now willing to move in on the MRM in order to prepare for the day when the state no longer is able to prop up the feminist system, due to men deserting in droves of MGTOW..

The feminists come into the MRM, usually from angles such as the DV equality type stuff, in order to convince men to NOT GTOW..

They wish to KEEP men working and paying taxes, with the bribe "lets get the state to help YOU too!"..

The feminists/women dont think much further than the next step, but, by golly, they do that with great intensity..

Men naturally think of the short term extremely well.. They also think of the long term when their hormones have subsided..

It is womens abilities to keep thinking medium term that keep men in check..

How do we solve the dv problem?

By returning to the ways of the patriarchs..

Men as heads of family.

Equality does not work as men are told NOT to use physical strength or other masculine powers to prevent DV from escalating..

Women then have it easy, and can ramp up their own (allowed) abuses and manipulations..

Eventually, men crack and unleash DV..

But, under the feminists agenda, the woman has done no wrong by merely following her "rights".. I.E. she is an individual when it suits her, a mother when it suits her needs to use family status..

By encouraging men to continually refer to the state to solve problems, the women within the MRM direct the MRM down the same path that the feminists trod..

It will also fail..

But, the feminists will be able to extend their influence that bit longer..

The way that the females try hard to promote the classic planks of feminism on the men in the MRM, shows the heavy influence they have, especially when men accept their ideas without looking into the background..

1. Contraception.

2. State control of child rearing..

3. Gender hermophradism assumptions that belie biology and nature..

4. Mangina reliance..


A 5th column..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column

Its like, the enemy within..

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It is my opinion that the feminists are seeing the writing on the wall for themselves are are now willing to move in on the MRM in order to prepare for the day when the state no longer is able to prop up the feminist system, due to men deserting in droves of MGTOW..

Do you really think the feminists are feeling anxious? Have they passed their peak of influence in the West? I could use some good news

So, Drex, talk to them. Show them that the state ultimately does not operate in their best interests, whatever the short-term may seem. We ARE capable of learning...

Edit: I don't think it's feminists, so much as feminist-infected women. I've been guilty of that, myself, sir, and I think I've shown that we can be taught.

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Like Green Peace, the UN , school groups, animal rights and all groups feminists and the lesbian left have joined, shouted down people and then taken over. Its the way these things operate.
I would like to see antimisandry women free. I think women can play a roll, even an important roll. But this is our fight, if their ranks continue to grow in the MRM we will end up with nothing then manginas and feminist being heard. Again this is how these things operate. To Kelly Mac. I'm a huge fan, love her blog and the really hard work she has done to help men. BUT I believe women should join groups of other women that support men, not the men's group themselves. If you are not a man, then its not your movement, even if you support and work for it.

Don't agree with the second part of that comment, nutsack. Women have an important role in the men's right movement here on AM and elsewhere. They are here because, unlike feminists, they have minds of their own. Feminism promotes rigidity of mind, stunts the capacity for free independent thought and operates through a sort of collective hive mind. Let us not become like that.
Unlike feminism's more-equal-than-thou mentality, we are supposed to be supporting real equality. I do, however, agree that there is no place for manginas here.

I think, most women are just curious and take a look first...and what can they find within the MRA websites?

They find themselves to be grossly misinformed up to now by the general media and they read a lot of new stuff related to them...

Yes, women are not always the victims and MR-websites have a good collection about women committing serious crimes.
They find a lot about court and decisions, which are often biased and unfair, like father and child regulations.

They find a lot of complaints from men, who were just cheated out of no reason, they find a lot of advice for young men from older men, how to avoid mistakes, like do not marry, no children, reject Western females out of good reason...they find travel tips, how to look for a long-term relationship with foreign women

...and what they cannot find, but what they expected to read, is something like promoting hate, violence and rape...a la Jeff Fecke...

All in all, females entering the first time any MRM websites find a lot to read, which might not be a pleasure for them, like men-hating feminist quotes, but it is interesting stuff and often a first time experience causing some females to reconsider their position.

Some women will leave a troll-like comment and are gone, but other females might stay and find that MRM have some reliable arguments...

I welcome all women, KellyMac and others, who are asking serious questions and want to stay with the MRM - there are not so few women, who feel they were cheated by feminism and do not see anything good with this men-hating movement anymore.

We should not forget, that feminism does not benefit all women - only a minority of all women, only some of them are profitting out of it.

I welcome all women, KellyMac and others, who are asking serious questions

These women do more than "ask questions". They contribute greatly and in a very meaningful way.

Interesting comments. I do think the "f" word is past its prime..

KM and the women on here seem fully aware of what is going on and do there bit..

Even the feminists are taking the anti-state stance these days more and more..

I reckon, the MRM and the Feminists will meet one day in the land of the liberated!!

Till that day comes..

LOL I started a men's rights forum for women (though men were also welcome). The crickets and porn-bots took over!

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Ok Ok , women are welcome. Kelly Mac of course is more then welcome anywhere. To her I say thanks for your wise strong voice.
PS. PORNBOTS??? sounds like a movie I would want to watch

Thank you, sir, for your kind words. I'm blushing.

As for pornbots, I heard an interview the other night about that very subject. And I'm not talking about internet spam, either. I can't remember the guy's name right now, and I know for a fact if I try to google it at work the site will be blocked. But when I get home I'll look it up and post the author's info. I wish I could post the interview, but it's protected content. You have to subscribe to the site to get the mp3 and podcast.

It was an extremely interesting interview. They got into all kinds of subjects, like how realistic these bots are (very), artificial intelligence, the difference between a synthetic human and a born human with synthetic parts, the morality of the subject, the cost of such things - and the idea of "bot brothels", the whole 9 yards.

Also, the interviewer, Ian Punnett (he has to be my fave on that show), effortlessly shot down several feminist victim arguments from callers. He became my hero that night.

That reminds me. I meant to email him.

yes, of course they are. accept i wouldn't call them feminists,

normally they enter with some sob story of rape, abuse or whatever, then once they have used this story to established a power base with the sympathetic mangina types, they move on to promoting their real agenda, often religous, but rarely related to men.

they are not feminists, they are rejects of feminism.

in my opinion the only women you should all trust are those that admit they believe in certain aspects of feminism.

i cant see how a woman can possible be anti-feminist.

Its like a man saying he's a feminist. total rubbish, and lies to achieve another agenda, conscouisly, or subconciously.

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One point, I like Kelly and what she has to say. But I still think the men's movement is only for men....

We should not forget that feminism was only seccessful because of the mangina.

Let us see, if it works also the other way ....

For sure, feminism is not suitable for every woman, not even for every American woman, not even for every Caucasian American woman...

More and more women feel even disturbed by feminists...

I wonder, how a married woman and mother of a boy feels, if some feminists are telling her, she is a 'traitor of her own gender' because of her child...and she is a victim because every night she is raped by her husband, who considers her to be nothing but a doormat for sex?

Or if somebody considers her, because she is married, faithful and prefers to be at home, as her husband is earning a good salary anyway, to be 'slightly mentally ill'...

We should not forget, that feminism is attacking also ordinary women and these women have either to be silent, or to join the men's movement - where else can they go to find some support for their own way of life?