I voted could have been better.

As an MRA I've done some useful things outside the forum in 2008. So in the new year I'd like to up the ante and raise almighty havoc upon "the powers that be."

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I voted could have been better.

As an MRA I've done some useful things outside the forum in 2008. So in the new year I'd like to up the ante and raise almighty havoc on "the powers that be."

Yip! sounds like an excellent idea! The only thing that gave me any feel-good in 2008 was being part of the court clearout team that displaced a full court full of vicious parasites and hopefully fucked up at least half a day of professional child abusing and family destroying for them!

Haahoo. My friend.

My friend I like to whack from time to time.

My friend who speaks wise and considered words just to astonish us all from time to time.

A good bloke.

I hope 2009 is a lot better for you, my friend.

For me 2008 has been quiet. It is a doldrums year. Why the heck I am still here I do not know.

But an occasional visit from Cj, (a really splendid fellow for all that know him only from his postings here) and my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, kept me above ground. The conversations here have been a diet of berries sustaining my soul.

I am in the deep forest, wounded almost unto death, under the bushes. I am tended by an old hermit whose words I cannot understand. I listen. I can't make out what he is saying but the tone is kindly. I sometimes wonder if he is just waiting so he can bury me.

2009 might bring and end to it; or the sun might just beat down upon my hairy face and bring a new sense of purpose and an ability to continue. But hope is what one has left when all else is gone.

Haahoo,

I hope 2009 is a better year for you.

Aye percy, we dont know what the future holds. I know I could fill this forum if I had the inclination with masses of links to many many excellently written articles on many blogs all over cyberspace..

I sit here behind my VDU for hours and hours, rarely do I create threads here because I think there is already plenty of them, and there are plenty of blogs, forums, all over the net..

I google randomly and search for interesting topics that are worth a read..

I find out so much, read so much in my rapid skimming way..

But, its almost always old stuff, often several years old.. and its almost always just another rewrite of the same old gripes..

So, why bring up another mass of links?

Now and then, it appears someone finds a "goldmine" blog, full of superbly written stuff..

I wonder, why is this stuff relegated to this lowly media?

Cursed to be only accessed by a handful randomly?

It should be in the mainstream media, it is often of as good quality as anything else there by a good measure..

Writing that has power behind it deserves to be put on the bigger wall, maybe reduced to a soundbite perhaps that will titilate further investigation?

You know what i read in the last hour or so?

Two very good reads, but too long (and old) to put here I think..

The basic gist of the first one was..

"The mens movement has been around since the early 1800's.. It was always prone to fracturing and splitting.. Up till the 1930's it was largely focused on FAMILY PROTECTION, not "men" as such.. then it dissapeared, for unknown reasons, and emerged after the 60's as the gender based movement bracing itself against the feminists.. But has forever sufferred from ego's, folk believing they are the "messiah" of men, and continual spliting and loss of troops at every turn as soon as a new organisation starts to show promise.. Men are like crabs in a bucket, each one fighting to be above the others.. To organise and rally the men is "like herding cats".. every mens group goes through the same "reinvention of the wheel" discovers the same basic truths, without realising it is just going through the same motions and will meet the same fate.. Commuinications are always a major issue.."

The second one was another biggy, with a religious basis to it..

The writer promoted the idea of submitting totally to gods will, to love the enemies, to find it in your heart to look at the "enemies" in court and everywhere with love in your heart, to accept your responsibilties for any percieved wrongdoings, to be totally honest about everything.. to NOT FIGHT the system.. After all, there is NOTHING particularly "special" about fatherhood..

Why? because fatherhood is NOT the most important issue..

Why is a child without access to his father more important than, say, a child who has never lived due to the abortion trade?

Why do fathers beat their chests and boast about their rallies and demos for "fathers rights"?

How many of those same dads have ever been on a pro-life march?

Or are the still victims of the 60's mass selling out that men did then and actually see abortion as something that is a none issue?

You know something, i think it is perhaps the approach i will be taking in future, not just because the "fighting" does not work, but because it reminds me very much of the old "retreat strategy" forumalted by the veteran Ivor Catt..

A strategy that, he claimed, netted better long term results than any other, that denied and thwarted the lawyers, that put judges in a real pickle..

because the divorce trade is more about the cost to the state than anything else..

a man in full retreat mode costs the state a fortune..

and his refusal to use the courts denies the parasites income..

I like to think of it as "working to rule, under the feminazi regime.."

They have stolen our families.

We shall not lift a finger for them, or the state, till the matter is redressed..

No longer are we in any way responsible, how can we be?

I google randomly and search for interesting topics that are worth a read..

I find out so much, read so much in my rapid skimming way..

But, its almost always old stuff, often several years old.. and its almost always just another rewrite of the same old gripes..

So, why bring up another mass of links?

Why?

There are always new people finding this site. And this site is a Central forum. Karl has done a first class job.

Those new people finding us have not read as widely or as persistently as you, Haahoo. They need the stimulation that all the 'old stuff' can give them.

What was not read five years ago, written by earlier and some present folk, has started to be spread around. There has been some success in raising consciousness by all this 'mass of links'.

I know what you mean about us rehashing the same old stuff though.

So, show us your INSIGHTS.

What have you learned and what questions come to your mind that have not been seen here before?

These new people, Haahoo. They do not know you. They do not know your history as an MRA. They do not know that behind all that long-schlong bluster and tales of dipping into skank parts there is quite a smart bloke. Show them.

Let us see the product of your mind and some of the landscape of your soul, instead of the adventures of the Rising Member. You talk far too much about that and frankly it cannot hold a candle to Viscount the Honourable Percy Wingman anyway !

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Why?

There are always new people finding this site. And this site is a Central forum. Karl has done a first class job.

Those new people finding us have not read as widely or as persistently as you, Haahoo. They need the stimulation that all the 'old stuff' can give them.

What was not read five years ago, written by earlier and some present folk, has started to be spread around. There has been some success in raising consciousness by all this 'mass of links'.

I know what you mean about us rehashing the same old stuff though.

So, show us your INSIGHTS.

What have you learned and what questions come to your mind that have not been seen here before?

These new people, Haahoo. They do not know you. They do not know your history as an MRA. They do not know that behind all that long-schlong bluster and tales of dipping into skank parts there is quite a smart bloke. Show them.

Let us see the product of your mind and some of the landscape of your soul, instead of the adventures of the Rising Member. You talk far too much about that and frankly it cannot hold a candle to Viscount the Honourable Percy Wingman anyway !

Aye. I used to have an effective mind many years ago, used to make a good living with it, until the age of 25 I had had sex with a sum total of 2 women.. One woman who "tricked" me into it when I was seriously and unusually intoxicated, and my first wife.. Then, well, temptation got the better of me! And I dont care what the feminazi's say, letting them lovely ladies walk the streets is what tempts men! I found my first whore was not really that good, so, half an hour later i tried my second one..

Good grief! she was super! And you know what? I am sure I felt more genuine feelings from her than I EVER had from my wife!! She loved it too!

But, i went home feeling absolutely ashamed..

Thus started my addiction..

i dont tell my "tales of shame" JUST to boast and titilate, I tell them more as warning, because "sex addiction" has totally destroyed my already dubious sanity and I think I have retreated into some sort of a womb, trance like, detached, because of it..

i am hoping to be able to concentrate better this next year, which will probably mean organising my "MRM" time much better..

I could stick lots of the interesting links up, but there are a vast number of them out there and I worry somewhat that excessive reading can destract from activism leanings..

But, i will in future plonk them up, though of course they may have already been posted in the past.

I was also wondering about the "copyright" issue..

(another of my major gripes about a few folk in the movement, they seem to want PAYING or something for access to their material! this is very anti-progress i think! all mra stuff should be open to the public!)

That was very brave, Haahoo.

Addiction is a powerful thing...and it takes a lot of courage to confront it, to tackle the issue. Knowing there's a problem is the very first step. Many people never even get to the point of realization. This year may have been rotten, but someday, I hope you'll be able to look back and understand that it's been a time of growth. Sometimes growing pains really hurt.

Phew, Haahoo.

Courageous indeed.

Insightful indeed.

Men, far more than women, have a deep chasm from which comes all sorts of strange compulsions. This is not a 'fault' - although it can be debilitating sometimes - but a feature of the Male Wound.

Try reading Professor Liam Hudson's writings on the subject. He is if the view that the Wound occurs at around 1 year to 18 months into a boy's life as he not only separates from his mother - a symbiotic relationship that is broken - and dis-identifies with her, but has to re-identify with a wholly different being - his father.

Girls do not have to do this. She can remain identified with the mother even if separated. She is the same sort of being as the mother and not 'different'.

From this great rift which significantly affects his psychic landscape comes male creativity, a sort of creativity that women just do not possess to anywhere near the same extent or depth or bizarre range.

I used to have an effective mind many years ago

It has had time to mature under all the manure.

Get the rake out, my friend.

I will say, 2008 was considerably better for me than 2007 - me, personally, not all men though.

In '07, I lost my mother. We experienced many difficulties in the younger years. She lost all her kids, one died, two went into foster care and one lived with his grandmother after a severe ... problem.

We had made up, thankfully. Mostly this was done when I was about 19 or 20. I recall going to see her, and explaining - in very loose terms - that I finally understood why she was so upset all the time. That poor woman had witnessed the death of her own Son, and I think it drove her over the edge. His birthday was a day before mine, and the two dates were hard for her. On the first she would bring out all his photos and baby books, fill the room with candles and sit there, crying to herself... The second, she was expected to just jump out of the misery and be all happy & chirpy for my birthday.

I got divorced from a woman I loved very much, despite her less appealing attributes. I kept hoping she would 'change', apparently a common mistake in abusive relationships. I lost the woman I had understood I was going to share my life with.

I lost a daughter, not to death (thankfully), but to divorce - due to the extreme distances (some 4k miles), and different laws, the Judge has broken one of the laws of America by removing my parental rights to my own child. Now, I understand a Judge can do this - but it has to be under extreme reasons, with proof. So, unless there are forged pictures of me beating the crap out of my daughter or something - I cannot understand why a Judge would break his land's laws.

There were more things, all bad - hardly anything in 2007 was good. In fact, it was one of the hardest years so far.

In contrast, '08 has been a fairly good year - not filled with joy or anything really spectacular - just 'easier' than '07.

For one, I got to court and was 'awarded' the 'right' to see my other two daughters on a regular basis, outside of a concentration camp (visitation center) where men are routinely treated as criminals, cameras poised on them, watchful eyes of the volunteers making sure a hug is just a hug, any pictures by dad are monitored and gift exchanges viewed with suspicion. The relief of moving out of such a hateful system was amazing. I took my kids to a cafe on our first 'free' day (of a whopping three hours). Oddly, my ex who had faught so valiently to keep me away for 'fear' - was outside the same cafe as us, at the same time, looking in the cafe's window. She came in and sat with us, at the same table and even shared a drink and snacks. Some 'fear'.

My mother's headstone came through, and it was beautifully done. I went to college and met some fantastic folks and had a ball of a time. I've moved into my own place, at last, and am slowly but surely getting odd items for it (today, I bought some floor tiles!!!).

In all, I can't complain for '08. I'm just glad it's been a considerable improvement over '07.

For one, I got to court and was 'awarded' the 'right' to see my other two daughters on a regular basis, outside of a concentration camp (visitation center) where men are routinely treated as criminals, cameras poised on them, watchful eyes of the volunteers making sure a hug is just a hug, any pictures by dad are monitored and gift exchanges viewed with suspicion. The relief of moving out of such a hateful system was amazing. I took my kids to a cafe on our first 'free' day (of a whopping three hours). Oddly, my ex who had faught so valiently to keep me away for 'fear' - was outside the same cafe as us, at the same time, looking in the cafe's window. She came in and sat with us, at the same table and even shared a drink and snacks. Some 'fear'.

nice one.

But doesnt that just show the farcical pathetic pantomime joke it is?

That reflects pretty well the same as my own experience, no doubt the same as many other dads..

And are we to believe that the courts and all those VILE PARASITES within are not fully aware of the HUGE BULLSHIT they are taking on board when they listen to the pathetic unreal whines of these silly women they PANDER TO in order to keep their gravy train flowing?

This "fear" is generated mainly by the fear of the unknown, their own imaginations, fuelled by those evil shits in the system who make it their mission to ensure that all comminications are via THEIR means..

What better method of inducing paranioa and fear could there be than the vile and hateful anti-family court systems?

How many men have topped themselves because of such issues?

How many kids have ended up in danger, or worse, dead, leading directly from such perverse mind games played by the legal filth in doing the dirty work of the feminazi for their own profit?

How much sympathy do they expect to get when the promised day of reckoning comes to them in the form of a mass execution?

It will not be long, I am sure, before this war progresses to legal body bags.. They are sneering arrogantly now, in the deluded belief that thay have "beaten" the fathers..

Oh dear! They have not reckoned on the bastard sons of f4j, the next generation of freedom fighters, high on their invincibilty, till they feel the massive smack in the face of the system should they father a child themselves and wish to take the challenge of getting access on..

And there is not a thing anyone can do to stop this inevitable next stage, the demise of the "organised" radical father movement will mean men are now floundering alone, with their thoughts, violent fantasies, that in just a very small number of cases may well find outlet in a form that is not self-destructive, but is rationally and directely focused on the true enemies..

matt O connor predicted as much when he started f4j up..

I think his movement provided an outlet, but the writing is on the wall..

The family courts will be rivers of blood very shortly I am sure..

While insisting that it does not endorse the tactics of the Australian paramilitary-style Blackshirts - who terrorise divorced women by following them home, making threatening phone calls and leafleting their neighbours - Fathers 4 Justice claims that the emergence of such extremism in the UK is only a matter of time.

‘It’s harassment, but it is a logical consequence if the Government fails to act on what we are saying,’ said spokesman Matt O’Connor, a marketing consultant from Suffolk.

‘You are going to get more extremist groups appearing. Sooner or later a father is going to pick up a gun and go visit a judge or go into a Cafcass [the body of family court officials] office.

‘It isn’t a problem with the mothers; it’s the system which is always recalcitrant. The Blackshirts thing is worrying, but it is going to start happening soon. We are trying to be the voice of reason, but there are going to be other people who will not.’

I wish you all have a great 2009....

I personally can´t rate 2008. This year was full of ups and downs. Two deaths in the family, my daughter born, living together with a woman I love and hate in some ways at the same time, fighting inner demons. I hope I am able to change myself and my situation next year (and loose 20 kg as well) we will see...

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Why the heck I am still here I do not know.

Percy, I heard similar last year my good friend. People enjoy you're considered intellectual input and wit. Long may it continue. I dare say you're son's input has contributed tremendously to any negative inkling arising?

the sad event of 2008 was the advent of the bankruptcy of the formerly mighty USA

sure it still has its military might

but its prestige as a fount of financial strength and stability is shot forever

the USA is a beggar state now living off of the shekels of foreigners

how much longer will foreigners accept the IOU's of the insolvent USA

it will be interesting to see what will be the new currency standard of the world in a few years Euro or Rupee or maybe the chinese Yuan