I don't agree with negative stereotypes because they hurt people. How many men have been hurt by negative stereotypes? How many little boys? I don't take negative stereotypes personally, because I know that they're not, but it makes me sad to see people hate at that level, be it against men, women, other religions or ethnicities. For instance, drawing from the title, I can honestly say that I am neither selfish, stupid or a slut. Now I might have the ability to be all three if I gave into baser instincts, but having the ability to choose what kind of person I am, I've chosen to live at a higher level. Men and women both, at their basest level can fit into a variety of ugly stereotypes but the problem with blanket generalisations is that they fail to take into account the individual. People should be held accountable for their own choices and actions, they shouldn't be judged merely on the merits of their birth. There are blanket generalisations that I don't have a problem with because I'd consider them 'fair'. Things such as inherent gender differences that are an undeniably part of our make up.

I dont know if its acceptable, since I dont beleive in a higher moral truth, but I use them, so I guess that means I find them acceptable.

Kim you are one of the reasons I try to avoid generalizing about women here. There is always that rare gem.

Thank you, Billy.

Women can be tricky creatures. That's not a sweeping generalization but close.

I think that one would probably fall under my 'fair' blanket generalisation category.

When women come to the party and drop the "all men are bastards", than I will change..

But like feminists, they are receiving what they have sown...

It's payback..

Their move !

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When women come to the party and drop the "all men are bastards", than I will change..

But like feminists, they are receiving what they have sown...

It's payback..

Their move !

I agree with you christianj, BUT FOR SOME REASON WHEN I SAY SOMETHING IN RETALIATION TO HER SHIT, SHE BACKS AWAY LIKE A FRIGHTENED ,PATHETIC CHILD!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't answer the poll. The options aren't comprehensive.

Generalisations are sometimes apt and useful. Exceptions, as they say, prove the rule. In other cases generalisation isn't possible.

We are all bright enough, shirley, to distinguish between types of people. We all know of truly awful women (and men) and some really nice ones. There are thick women and bad ones. Hateful ones, who generalise all the time as long as it is negative to men and positive to women; intelligent, successful, 'sassy' ones who, of course, scare men - all men - even General Patton it seems would shit his jodhpurs at the sight of them; good ones who adhere to truth and reasonableness as much as anyone can; lazy ones - who generalise as above but because it is all to hard for them; etc.

The same goes for men. There are manginas, evil shits, thick ones, good ones, bright ones etc.

Can we expect women to distinguish between apt generalisations and unfair ones? Some women, yes. But for others it is as useless an expectation as expecting them to act as mature adults. And we all know that females mature so much quicker than males - it depends on the size of their tits.

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I didn't answer the poll. The options aren't comprehensive.

Generalisations are sometimes apt and useful. Exceptions, as they say, prove the rule. In other cases generalisation isn't possible.

We are all bright enough, shirley, to distinguish between types of people. We all know of truly awful women (and men) and some really nice ones. There are thick women and bad ones. Hateful ones, who generalise all the time as long as it is negative to men and positive to women; intelligent, successful, 'sassy' ones who, of course, scare men - all men - even General Patton it seems would shit his jodhpurs at the sight of them; good ones who adhere to truth and reasonableness as much as anyone can; lazy ones - who generalise as above but because it is all to hard for them; etc.

The same goes for men. There are manginas, evil shits, thick ones, good ones, bright ones etc.

Can we expect women to distinguish between apt generalisations and unfair ones? Some women, yes. But for others it is as useless an expectation as expecting them to act as mature adults. And we all know that females mature so much quicker than males - it depends on the size of their tits.

Indeed, i would guess "context specific" would sum up what you say here!

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Yes, and that DOES include our mothers, our daughters, our wives.. etc..

Right on Drex.

Making generalizaitons about groups is the only way humans can figure thing out. We see common features and we group them together. We don't have the mental capacity to consider each of a million of anything individually. We assume that every 1/4-20 bolt will fit, because we make generalizations. We assume that a piece of pine will have a certain strenght. None of our ancestors had the time to test every piece of pine. We make asusmptions that the next piece of ground we walk on will hold our weight. There is a small risk that we may step in a hidden hole or a floor with a flaw, but we don't have time nor capacity to investigate each individual of any type before making general assumptions. In fact, the ability to make generalizations is a cardinal ability that allows our species to be as intelligent as we are.

And it applies to wives, girlfirends, mothers and daughters. "MY" mother/daughter/wife is no differeint at all from the rest.

Blessings

Bob

The reason it is always acceptable to use sweeping generalizations about the genders or anything else is because they are just propositions. As such they might be true or false, "generally true" or "generally false", or whatever. Trying to socially censor people by making the assertion of propositions "unacceptable" is, on my view, an extremely socially and rhetorically aggressive thing to do. And yet, it is all too often taken for granted that such a thing is, itself, "acceptable" when it is far less acceptable than that which it attempts to censor.

Do I think that all women are stupid, selfish sluts? Not really. Women aren't really sluts. For the most part it is still true that women don't just drop their drawers at a hat or anything like that -- certainly not compared to men, at any rate. A survey comes to mind where they had an attractive member of the opposite sex approach strangers on a college campus and ask for casual sex. Not a single woman accepted and 70% of men did accept.

Are they selfish? I do think that a certain amount of selfishness is baked into the world for women in a way that it isn't for men -- baked into the extra X chromosome, as the consequences of stuff baked into the extra X chromosome, and baked into the way society functions. In other words, it's part of human nature and the female condition. I think that beyond that, there is a lot of extra selfishness resulting from the grossly inequitable laws and social policies and politics of our modern era. It would happen with men if the situation were reversed. Outside of those two things, I don't think women as a group are particularly selfish which may sound comical now that I think about it (because those two things are quite a lot). The point is that I think that it is kind of true to say that "Women are selfish," if we really mean that a large minority of exceptions are possible and it isn't used as a terribly strong indictment of the nonexceptions. Mostly what makes it true as an indictment at all is because of modern feminism, in my opinion, and the effects of such a thing become rapidly diluted as it trickles into society at large.

Are women stupid? I don't think that is really true. They aren't super smart. There are far fewer really stupid women than there are really stupid men (and far more super smart men than super smart women). It is hard to say what that would mean, though, given a certain context. If you mean that women don't invent new things, articulate important ideas, etc, then you are just saying that there are far more super bright men than super bright women which is true. If you mean that women are off always doing really dumb, bone-headed, half-retarded things, then that is probably more true about men than women. (In other words, it is more like the opposite is true.) Over all, women are just normal.

At any rate, of course it's OK to speak in these kinds of generalizations -- it's just a question of when they are actually true or if they are just hyperbole. "All women are selfish, stupid sluts," is clearly hyperbole. I do understand and appreciate the sentiment, but let's not confuse it with something that is really meaningfully true like "Girls like to play with dolls and boys lie to play with toy guns." The latter generalization is, indeed, a generalization. There are exceptions to the rule and so on and so forth. But, it really is meaningfully true as a generalization and quite a relevant fact. If you were a guy that really believed that women really were all sluts, for instance, and you really took that to heart and acted on that as a belief and not just an attitude about women, then I think you would be in for a rude awakening. No, you will not be walking away getting laid 70% of the time if you start propositioning girls on the street. In fact, you might just get yourself arrested. (If they really were sluts, though, you would be getting laid all the time that way even if you're not particularly good looking or suave. As it stands, you really have to be on the right kind of street and have a little cash on hand to be getting laid in that fashion.)

I don't think it's fair to say "All women are selfish sluts". Much as I get so pissed off with feminism and its influences not only on so many women and on society in general, I think that saying that in those generalised terms is no different to women proclaiming that: "All men are rapists". Let's try to be fair here. I do know some women who are most certainly NOT selfish and most definitely NOT sluts. One is my mum, for one thing! I love and respect her to my dying day, even though she has slagged off men in my presence and at times I have felt she has "conspired" with my sister to my detriment - in the way women very often do with males as their target. It may not be truly malicious or nasty, but it does make me want to leave the room, slam the door and go down the pub, it has been known to piss me off that much - but for sure my mum is neither selfish nor a slut. I really do owe her more than I can ever repay. I'm not sure I can call my sister unselfish - she can be, and no mistake but she is one of the twenty-something generation, the ones now firmly in the feminist mindset by and large, which means they really and truly think they are superior to the male in every which way - morally, spiritually, intellectually and genetically!

There really is little poiint in convincing them otherwise is there? It's a lost cause. The vast majority of women don't give a toss what men think anyway - they hear men (if they feel like it) but don't listen to them.

I meant to add this:

There are, of course, plenty of women who really are sluts and slappers - there's certainly no shortage of them, but neither is there a shortage of men who prey on women when they shouldn't, for whatever reason. It does work both ways, but I do think that women are becoming more and more the "pursuers", and this happens in all sorts of ways, as we all know. The fact that the guys they set their sights on with some kind of amorous relationship in mind have a plain gold ring on the third finger of their right hand makes no difference. Be it down the pub or wherever, girls now make just as many advances to the guys as do the guys themselves, if not more a lot of the time. With alcohol as a very strong influence in many cases women can be, and very often are, a lot more forward than blokes, and blokes being blokes, they take what's offered on a plate. But as we all know, when things go all pear shaped these females claim their right to "innocent victimhood and abdication of responsibility".

Large groups of females don't totter along the streets of the UK from one crowded pub to the next dressed in nothing more than wide belts in sub zero temperatures just to pease each other.

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girls now make just as many advances to the guys as do the guys themselves, if not more a lot of the time. With alcohol as a very strong influence in many cases women can be, and very often are, a lot more forward than blokes, and blokes being blokes, they take what's offered on a plate.

The problem I see with this is that I can't see it doing women much good. So many of them have become neurotic and these advances are usually very drunken, as you indicate.

Add to this that I don't think women will ever be happy with casual sex no matter what they say. Their natural inclination is to relationships and ensnaring men. There's something mean-spirited and angry about these female advances, often forceful that feels "off" somehow.

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The problem I see with this is that I can't see it doing women much good. So many of them have become neurotic and these advances are usually very drunken, as you indicate.

Add to this that I don't think women will ever be happy with casual sex no matter what they say. Their natural inclination is to relationships and ensnaring men. There's something mean-spirited and angry about these female advances, often forceful that feels "off" somehow.

It's because "All women are teases," is a lot closer to the truth. and "All men know this instinctively," is another true generalization. The reason for this is, of course, because "All men, in fact, are sluts," and because it is false that "All women are sluts," women can take advantage of this fact about men to make them do all sorts of silly things. That's why they dress up as if they were a slut -- not because they want to get laid (which they could easily do without going to all that trouble) but because they want the attention of as many men as they can get. And then, of course, the fact that they intend to go home with at most one man (if any) makes such behavior very selfish and socially aggressive. It is the female equivalent of a man getting pushy and belligerent. She's just "flexing her muscles". If a man were to do that sort of thing in a masculine way, he would very quickly end up spending the night in jail.

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Add to this that I don't think women will ever be happy with casual sex no matter what they say. Their natural inclination is to relationships and ensnaring men. There's something mean-spirited and angry about these female advances, often forceful that feels "off" somehow.

The real problem is that women are never happy. Sure they want to snare men and lock one away as HERS, but as soon as she has acocmplished that, she's unhappy. All women don't stop making advances on other men just because they own one already. They want the next woman's guy, and more adventure. Just owning a good man is boring. She wants to "find herself." She goes to a shrink but it doesn't make life happy. Wll women are selfish stupid sluts.

Blessings

Bob