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    The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    I watched the Panorama program last night in disbelief of the facts they were showing.

    BBC - Panorama - Panorama

    Now, why I did not think of it before?
    It's a brilliant idea! (my ghost)
    Yes, like Hitler's youth as a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party! (myself)

    Hitler Youth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This facts proves what I have been saying all along. It is just another step towards the introduction of the fascist state in the UK.
    Democratic institutions are being degraded along with the disintegration of family and society. The emasculation and elimination of the father from the family is just one of the items in their agenda.
    Discipline is no longer the responsibility of the loving father. It is being taken over by the territorial army as a military discipline for the youth. This discipline does include, of course, the skillful use of guns in all its forms.



    By any account it is a step too far which will take our children into an age of militarizasion.
    When we associate this development to the current drive by the UK. forces to defeat terror (in itself a meaningless expression), a chilling interrelationship can be easily identified between the two forms of mass indoctrination of children against the values of their parents.
    In other words, just another step of the state taking over the ignorant mind of the population and, above all, the forcible indoctrination of specifics attitudes and beliefs.

    Remember **ARBEIT MACHT FREI**

    That's what will be found at the end of the current path.

    NEVO

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems

    YouTube - Tomorrow Belongs to Me

    I feel like the old man in the picture at 1.30 and 2.17,knowing where this is leading,and unable to do anything about it.

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems

    Quote Quote from senach View Post
    YouTube - Tomorrow Belongs to Me

    I feel like the old man in the picture at 1.30 and 2.17,knowing where this is leading,and unable to do anything about it.
    There is something everyone can do about it. Every father must speak and inform to the children not to follow this path and that liberty and freedom of choice must always be paramount in life.

    Nevo
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    There is something everyone can do about it. Every father must speak and inform to the children not to follow this path and that liberty and freedom of choice must always be paramount in life.

    Nevo
    Therein lie's the rub,in most case's the school system,family court's and the socialist feminist's have broken the bond's between father and child,maybe that was part of the plan?

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems

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    Therein lie's the rub,in most case's the school system,family court's and the socialist feminist's have broken the bond's between father and child,maybe that was part of the plan?
    Yes.
    Anything that interferes with the progress of mind control, like in this case family values, must be destroyed.

    Nevo

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    Well lets look at this post

    1/Army discpline for disruptive schools.
    A life long friend of mine works for a Military Preparation College - ie those who have just left school and are interested to know what army life is like, without joining the army. The kids go on a 16 week course. I must admit, ideologically, "militarizing" kids is scary, but the results of his college are good - the kids - who were hopeless, grew into men - both the boys and the parents have written testimonials about how good their experience was and how it gave them self respect, discpline and in the 16 weeks, the boys said they made up for many of their failings at school.

    Personally, I think an element of army/discpline in EVERY school would be good. At least it might help tackle level of obiesity in our schools and gets kids to play sports and not playstations!

    2/The chances of this becoming a reality/or that we become a militiarzed/fascist/nazi state of some kind. Yeah dream on! Can you really imagine a military element in schools? Maybe in France, the US, but not the UK. Why not Britain?

    ANSWER: Can you imagine military training for kids in Northern Ireland, Inner city schools in areas of high gun crime, or wait for it in areas with Muslim kids. Not really! Imagine kids growing up knowing the army tactics, numbers, location of arms dumps....this is what you need to know when preaparing for revolution.

    Sounds like a recipe for civil war in the UK.
    And if you think that is a joke - in 1939 there was no home army in the Uk, because the authroities feared that Britian might fall into civil war, as the ruling elites were split between supporting hitler or fighting him. (see BBC Radio 4 radio doumentary on this civil war/home army issue BBC - Radio 4 Document - Dad's Revolutionary Army

    Our kids need to learn discpline. The question is how. If not army disicpline, then what. Forget teachers, most of them are idiots. I spent time in the UK army while at University (voluntary). I learned a hell of a lot - and what I learned saved my life while I was in Eastern Europe during the revolutions (1989-), as it gave me a sixth sense when the shit was about to hit the fan, and when to get out of certain situations.
    The greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the deliberate lie - but the persistent, persuasive and unrealistic myth that the lie creates

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

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    Well lets look at this post



    Personally, I think an element of army/discpline in EVERY school would be good. At least it might help tackle level of obiesity in our schools and gets kids to play sports and not playstations!



    Our kids need to learn discpline. The question is how. If not army disicpline, then what. Forget teachers, most of them are idiots. I spent time in the UK army while at University (voluntary). I learned a hell of a lot - and what I learned saved my life while I was in Eastern Europe during the revolutions (1989-), as it gave me a sixth sense when the shit was about to hit the fan, and when to get out of certain situations.
    Absolutely!!!
    Kids need to learn discipline!!!

    How?

    Lets see. how about let the father discipline their own children? you have not even mention the father in your answer!

    I agree, the UK may never become a militarised country, after the butchery that took place during the civil war, Britons have learned the lesson. However, there are changes in the way society is behaving, and that have to be wachted lest the dark forces manipulating the powers drives our children to learn the fascist thinking as it happened in the german republic and the way Hitler become so powerful by controlling the army.

    It may or it may not happen though history tells us the signs we have to wacht out for like militarising our school children.

    NEVO

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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    Hi Nevo, I like your posts and have a lot of respect for you. I understand and appreciate what you are saying. I did not coment on a fathers role as this was not the topic of the post (hey you/lets start a post on this elsewhere!), and secondly I am trying to keep my post brief.

    My point would be this - why would militarizaing kids make them fascistic? What is the X factor?

    It is a very subtle point - and it is crucial in so many debates. Many people persume that is you support X it lead to Y. X has to be articulated into Y.

    I will give you an example - in the UK - nationalisation (of an indusry eg coal mines after 1945) was regarded as a labour/socialist policy. In France, DeGualle had no problem with nationalization - for him it was not left or right, it was about making France powerful (ELF was the state created French petrochemical giant).

    Another example - Christianity - in Europe it was an imperalist and very conservative force to uphold the status quo, while in some Latin American states Priests backed revolutions.

    So militarizing kids will do nothing - it is what WE/SOCIETY tell them that will influence how - if ever- the guns are used.

    This is ideological superstructure - ideology is a terrain of battles and meanings and the battlefield is as much about guns as gender identity.
    The greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the deliberate lie - but the persistent, persuasive and unrealistic myth that the lie creates

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    Hi Nevo, I like your posts and have a lot of respect for you. I understand and appreciate what you are saying. I did not coment on a fathers role as this was not the topic of the post (hey you/lets start a post on this elsewhere!), and secondly I am trying to keep my post brief.

    My point would be this - why would militarizaing kids make them fascistic? What is the X factor?

    It is a very subtle point - and it is crucial in so many debates. Many people persume that is you support X it lead to Y. X has to be articulated into Y.
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    I think you would like to move the argument to the much larger area of national and international politics. We will be discussing it for ages and never draw a conclusion. I propose to stay focused on the subject of letting our children be educated by soulless army seargents in school grounds and the consecuences that will inevitably have on family life and the role of the father on the education of his children.

    It is clear by now politics and politician are interfering too much in private life of the family.

    NEVO
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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    No I am not trying to move into politics. My point is how can you say X will result in Y.

    What is the actual link/mechanism that equate British Army in Schools = Fascism?

    It is the link that I want you to demonstrate, not repeat an empty slogan.

    If you can demonstrate that link, fine, you may be right, and I would bow to your arguements.

    A British Seargent ! Ha, that would be too easy on the kids! Give me a school for a weak I would have them ready to start a revolution - but I guess they would never let me in as I am too tough! (hehe)
    The greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the deliberate lie - but the persistent, persuasive and unrealistic myth that the lie creates

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    No I am not trying to move into politics. My point is how can you say X will result in Y.

    What is the actual link/mechanism that equate British Army in Schools = Fascism?

    It is the link that I want you to demonstrate, not repeat an empty slogan.

    If you can demonstrate that link, fine, you may be right, and I would bow to your arguements.

    A British Seargent ! Ha, that would be too easy on the kids! Give me a school for a weak I would have them ready to start a revolution - but I guess they would never let me in as I am too tough! (hehe)
    I thought the link was obvious.

    The introduction of an ideology through military teachings.

    NEVO
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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    And how does the British Army teach ideology?

    The only ideology I was "given" while training to be an officer was that I swore allegiance to the Queen - not Parliament. Hardly big stuff, and I doubt it would apply to school.

    The alternative to army in schools is to have the scouts.

    But because of the dangers I listed of army training in schools, I think the original newspaper report was just conservative hype to please its audiance rather than a realistic policy
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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    Sports are not inherently better than Playstation.

    Playing Playstation is not illegal and as such no Army needs to be commissioned to put a stop to it.

    I have been in the real Army and they employ a tear you down and build you back up technique. It's not for kids. Some would call it brainwashing.

    Kids are misbehaving because they have no fathers. You wanna fix it, don't turn them into Hitler's youth....stop allowing mothers to take fathers away from their children.
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    Re: The UK. will introduce the territorial army to schools with disciplinary problems!

    I dont think the concept is that the schools are to become army camps. I understood that it would be something like extra physical education. And they are not going to teach kids to be mindless killing machines - rather discpline.
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    I dont think the concept is that the schools are to become army camps. I understood that it would be something like extra physical education. And they are not going to teach kids to be mindless killing machines - rather discpline.
    Have you been in the Army?
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