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    UK. government to end financial help for divorce cases!

    The tax payer should had never had to pay for it in the first place. After all marriages are paid privately, if the bickering bint wants out, she should dig for money in her own pocket to pay for her divorce, instead of expecting the state to fork out cash to satisfy her overglorified victimhood status.

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    This is, in my opinion, the most obnoxious part of the government interference in the private matters of the family.
    The financial help was clearly designed to **protect** by way of guaranteeing financial help from the taxpayer, women who want out of the marriage they willingly entered into with their partner/boyfriend.
    Every penny & pound that is paid by legal aid goes directly to Law firms coffers. Hardly surprising then to see Lawyers busyly filling in the forms as it is the easiest monies they can laid their hands on.
    People may be tempted to think that such a withdrawal will reduce the divorce rate in the UK. because women will not longer recieve financial help when destroying the family, children and father lives. Think again. The fact still remains that women are still favored, by a long way, financially when dividing the family assests.
    The way future divorce bills will paid for is by selling as much as is needed the family assests. In many cases it will mean every member of the family becoming homeless and likely to need the support of the benefits provided by the state. Hence, the benefits agency will be paying with money from the taxpayer at the end of the day.
    It will certainly not encourage families to stay together.
    The exception to the new rules are domestic violence cases. This will mean only one thing, many more women will be claiming domestic violence in order to qualify for financial assistant. Everyone should expect that claims of domestic violence cases against men to rise sharply in future, thus demonising men even further at the behest of women.
    Political meddling by the current government will also make matters worse for the family, because, as it is well known, women want financial security. Hence, any part of the rules which hit women hardest it is likely to be ameliorated in the courts, therefore, women will seek their divorce to be settled in court rather than unqualified mediators.

    Of course, the government will not save money as intended. They will have to pay in different ways all the money saved in legal aid fees.

    NEVO
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    Re: UK. government to end financial help for divorce cases!

    Excellent post, Nevo! Thanks for you insight on the mess this will create.
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    I have no doubt that feminist circles are at this very mintue thinking of ways t get the man to pay now that the state won't pay.
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    No doubt that false domestic violence claims are going to rise. The gender feminists must be delighted.

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    Please see my post on prenuptial agreements. We would be fools to not prepare and have them duly signed, and if they do not want to sign, then don't get involved. Simple logic wold save us all a lot of future problems if we just protected ourselves BEFORE getting into a situation.

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    After reading the posts and thinking about all this i am wondering if the ROOT of our problem is the state getting involved in our private lives. For me, marriage is a relgious affair. I think the state should have NO ROLE in it whatsoever.On what basis does the state regulate what I do? If we allow the state into our lives, then the state can be "used" by various groups (feminists, gays, those with various political agenda's....) to regualte our private lives.

    I think we need to go back to a situation where a marraige is a purely religious institution and the state should have no role.

    If the state is to dictate/enter my private life, then perhaps the state should also pay 100% for lawyers to allow me to exercise my rights? If we, in the EU at least, have free on demand health service, why cannot we also have free on demand lawyers?
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    Re: UK. government to end financial help for divorce cases!

    I could not agree with you more on this Richard. I would further postulate that marriage should be a private affair between husband and wife, and their families while completely excluding the state and government.

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    I am in total agreement with you, and add you as a friend (if you want me !)
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    I find it irresistible to compare the government with the old meddlesome witch, who brings all her gadgets (the laws) to sort out problems which her own meddling have created in the first place.



    All their poisonouos ingredients enshrined in law's cauldron.

    Let them poison themselves with the stuff!

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    Although I am a professional person, a background as a political sociologist with higher degrees, increasingly I ask where do the borders of the state lie, has it expanded so far, that we no longer have any privacy, which leads me to ask has ineede the state has become "totalitarian"? I've been away from the UK for 20 years (was in Eastern Europe) and am shocked that the state controls us in so many ways.

    There's a lot of talk of conspiracies, NWO, etc. Some of them make many good points, but rather than a conspircy I see a "logic" of intervention which is even more scary for no one is really controlling it. For example, we have a "war on terror" which coupled with modern technology = a suveillance society.

    The best way this has been typified is in the BBC TV mini series "The Last Enemy", which shows a Britain which slides into a totalitarian system.
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    Re: UK. government to end financial help for divorce cases!

    Quote Quote from Richard View Post
    After reading the posts and thinking about all this i am wondering if the ROOT of our problem is the state getting involved in our private lives. For me, marriage is a relgious affair. I think the state should have NO ROLE in it whatsoever.On what basis does the state regulate what I do? If we allow the state into our lives, then the state can be "used" by various groups (feminists, gays, those with various political agenda's....) to regualte our private lives.

    I think we need to go back to a situation where a marraige is a purely religious institution and the state should have no role.

    If the state is to dictate/enter my private life, then perhaps the state should also pay 100% for lawyers to allow me to exercise my rights? If we, in the EU at least, have free on demand health service, why cannot we also have free on demand lawyers?
    I think church and state should be separate, but marriage is a part of government affairs, simply because two people are living together for an unspecified amount of time. The government is involved in marriage because:

    1) A married couple is taxed as one couple filing jointly, by their choice. If they file jointly, they must prove they're married, and religious documents might be easily faked. The government only trusts itself with the authority of producing the proof.

    2) A married couple is allowed to own property jointly. Do we have to go to a church now to sign such a contract?

    3) A married couple is allowed to commit suicide jointly as long as their pants are halfway down, to the knees, and they are wearing green underwear. The husband must wear red socks and the wife must wear leather gloves. I'm joking about this.

    5) A married couple signifies that decisions can be made as ONE unit, allowing the government to simplify things further. Churches would have to manage this stuff if marriage was only religious. With religion in the picture, those greedy church guys make more money :P

    6) A married couple would probably take a good look at this and notice there's no point #4 in my list.

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    Hi Mugel, I think you are confusion proerty rights and marraige

    I would ask you:

    1/How on earth did we live BEFORE the state got involved in marriages (& remember the state being involved in marraiges only happened over the last century or so).

    2/Once you allow the state into your private life where does it stop? Should is regulate how you can have sex within a marraige? For example, until recently in the USA even anal sex in marraige was illegal - and I believe remains so in some states even today.

    These are a questions of borders and limits, but I see the state taing an ever greater role and it scares me
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    Hi Mugel, I think you are confusion proerty rights and marraige

    I would ask you:

    1/How on earth did we live BEFORE the state got involved in marriages (& remember the state being involved in marraiges only happened over the last century or so).

    2/Once you allow the state into your private life where does it stop? Should is regulate how you can have sex within a marraige? For example, until recently in the USA even anal sex in marraige was illegal - and I believe remains so in some states even today.

    These are a questions of borders and limits, but I see the state taing an ever greater role and it scares me
    It was the feminist movement who brought the government in to meddle in everyone's marriage.

    I recall reading of a divorce case that happened at around 1850s. As it is well known, in those days women had very limited property rights, although there were no laws at the time giving women rights to claim on her husband's property the judge has shown sympathy to the woman's claim.

    The meddling of the state in everyone's marriage is as inevitable as is death and goes back well over a century. However, the greatest push given to the intervention of the state began in the early fifties. Culminating in the present, ludicrously unfair, divorce laws, where the dunce usually walks away with all the family assets.

    Ideally, the state should be out of the family dynamics, it simply is not their business. Limiting itself to collect taxes and defend the realm. Regretably, that's not possible as it will take the bread and butter from too many lawyers and law firms.

    One fact is true though the state can not make laws for people to love each other, but it certainly can make laws for people to hate each other and that's what they do.

    NEVO
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