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    Post Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    1. I agree with the Augustinian view of the state as a robber band writ large.
    2. I agree with the Stirnerite view of political obligation. Why should I obey this guy just because hes the president, king, mayor, etc.?
    3. I agree that democracy is a system where five wolves and sheep vote on what to have for lunch.
    4. I agree that the death and destruction perpetrated by states make that of individual criminals look trivial by comparison.
    5. I agree with George Bernard Shaw that democracy replaces the rule of the corrupt few with the rule of the incompetent many.
    6. I agree that the state exists to monopolize territory and resources, protect an artificially privileged ruling class, expand its own power and subjugate and exploit subjects.
    7. I agree with Hayek that the worst gets to the top.
    8. I agree that the insights of social psychology show that most people are creatures of the herd.
    9. I agree that the herd is the permanent enemy of the superior individual.
    10. I agree that values are subjective, that life is ultimately a war of each against all, and that survival of the fittest and the will to power are the only true laws.

    What do you all think?
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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Yup, I agree with a lot of the above points. The idea of the state is not bad as such - but the power of the modern state has turned our societies into institutions where there are more and more laws and less and less freedom. The state has moved increasingly into our private/families lives and we have no control over it. Orwell's 1984 was written as a warning - today it has become a manual for most states. Politicians and bureaucrats like to accumulate power - often they feel they are doing something good, but it gets to the point we are all controlled. A totalitarian society is no longer a threat it is almost a reality - the war on terrorism and technology (internet), make it so, when combined with the powers of the state. In the 1930's Stalin's Russia would purge those it did not like - the war on terrorism gives liberal democracies the same power - albeit on a smaller scale.

    Lets look at business. In ALL modern states the governments believe they should have minimum state intervention in business - for governments fear they will mess things up. Also, if the state goes too far business can pack its bags and head for another country. However, when it comes to the individual/family, the opposite rule is applied - the state intervenes and does what it wants. Maybe we should ask politicans to intervene in business as much as it does the family, I wonder how they would reply!

    The question is why is this so. I believe that this dates from the early years after WWII when psychology rose in importance (see/wiki Tavistock institute in uk) and psychologists began to redefine the family as a unit not based on a contractual obligation (ie marraige contract) to treating marriages as "relationships" and gives gave psychologist a blank cheque to intervene in the modern family. The result is the mess we have today.
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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    I think you can't decide who you dislike more, the state or the people.
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Quote Quote from Richard
    The idea of the state is not bad as such
    No, unfortunately if you take the non-aggression principle seriously, you'll come to the conclusion that the state will inevitably violate that principle.

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    I think you can't decide who you dislike more, the state or the people.
    Edited out.
    Actually to be quite frank I view most people to be manipulated and misinformed.
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Isn't "optimistic misanthrope" an oxymoron?
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Yep, purposely done, I revised my thoughts, I am a misanthrope because I view most people as manipulated and misinformed, and yet I'm optimistic because I believe there is hope for these people to wake up and smell the roses.
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Quote Quote from Lady Catherine View Post
    Yep, purposely done, I revised my thoughts, I am a misanthrope because I view most people as manipulated and misinformed, and yet I'm optimistic because I believe there is hope for these people to wake up and smell the roses.
    Most people are manipulated and misinformed and there is hope, it's called revolution.
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Who builds the buildings and roads? Who collects oil, coal, and other materials? Who advances technology? Who will take care of the sick? Who will keep modern civilization going? What happens when the government goes away, and everyone decides to do their own thing. Then what?

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    Who builds the buildings and roads? Who collects oil, coal, and other materials? Who advances technology? Who will take care of the sick? Who will keep modern civilization going? What happens when the government goes away, and everyone decides to do their own thing. Then what?
    It won't happen that way. If there is a revolution then a new government will replace the old corrupt one.
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

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    Who builds the buildings and roads? Who collects oil, coal, and other materials? Who advances technology? Who will take care of the sick? Who will keep modern civilization going? What happens when the government goes away, and everyone decides to do their own thing. Then what?
    If we ever had an anarchist society(or the middle road, panarchism) those functions would be privatized and be on the free market system.
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    So your answer is MORE state intervention? The state has intervened in the family and look at the result - fathers do not have the right to see their owns sons.

    What happens if people decide to do their own thing? That is the point - they can join together in groups like this one - there is no ned for the state to regulate our discussions.

    Pensions, health, hmm, the media keep telling me when I reach pension age there will be no money to pay state pensions.
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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    Are you replying to me?

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    If we ever had an anarchist society(or the middle road, panarchism) those functions would be privatized and be on the free market system
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    I think the lyrics in this song say it all about state power YouTube - BREAKING NEWS on @covellz Channel | Is WikiLeaks Really the Greatest Threat We Face?
    The greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the deliberate lie - but the persistent, persuasive and unrealistic myth that the lie creates

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    So your answer is MORE state intervention? The state has intervened in the family and look at the result - fathers do not have the right to see their owns sons.
    Of course not, I like small efficient governments.

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    What happens if people decide to do their own thing? That is the point - they can join together in groups like this one - there is no ned for the state to regulate our discussions.
    People will decide their own thing. There hasn't been one "civilization" that has existed without a government. Also, they CAN join together in groups! But what's to stop them from grouping into a new government? Or groups with an evil intent? What happens when there are no more laws that keep society from tearing itself apart? What happens to the brain dead poverty stricken people who lose any chance of ever living a modern lifestyle? Do they just sit back? Do they get pissed off and start rioting and attacking? If they do, who will be there to stop them? How will critical modern infrastructure be maintained? What happens to the internet, electricity, water, and TECHNOLOGY? Above all else, what happens to the people who don't know how to adapt? Is there just a mass death due to survival? What to people usually act like when the survival instinct kicks in? What's to stop a very charismatic person from getting a bunch of people together and making a new government? Then what?

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    Pensions, health, hmm, the media keep telling me when I reach pension age there will be no money to pay state pensions.
    Because you sat there and listened to their crap about keeping your money safe for you.

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    Re: Ten Reasons I am Considering Anarchism

    No service should be provided at the barrel of a gun, the government is not here to protect and should be abolished.
    The Bible is bullshit, the Koran is a lie
    The Bagavad Gita did not fall from the sky
    These are the books that are written by men
    They've caused wars, now follow if you can

    First they created sin so they could win
    Then they built the cages they could put us in
    Then they took away our tribes and gave us jail
    Then they took away the Earth and gave us hell -- Corporate Avenger - The Bible is Bullshit


 

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