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    Looking into the Reality of Unreality

    When you construct a Lie, the fabric of reality is torn. Looking through the hole at the Unreality that lies behind one sees the bizarre, the mad, the irrational, the sheer stupidity.

    This post may seem unrelated to misandry, but there are other lies that come together with Feminism to create the bizarre, supported by your taxes.

    Read on all the way through, and gasp in amazement.


    When your world is a mad but deliberate ‘prison’ built from Lies

    It is lunchtime in the world's biggest prison camp, and I am enjoying a rather good caffe latte in an elegant beachfront cafe. Later I will visit the sparkling new Gaza Mall, and then eat an excellent beef stroganoff in an elegant restaurant.


    Perhaps it is callous of me to be so self-indulgent, but I think I at least deserve the coffee. I would be having a stiff drink instead, if only the ultra-Islamic regime hadn't banned alcohol with a harsh and heavy hand.


    Just an hour ago I was examining a 90ft-deep smuggling tunnel, leading out of the Gaza Strip and into Egypt. This excavation, within sight of Egyptian border troops who are supposed to stop such things, is – unbelievably – officially licensed by the local authority as a 'trading project' (registration fee £1,600).

    Tale of two cities: Gaza's sparkling new shopping mall offers a stark contrast to the images of slums we are used to


    It was until recently used for the import of cattle, chocolate and motorcycles (though not, its owner insists, for munitions or people) and at its peak earned more than £30,000 a day in fees.


    But business has collapsed because the Israelis have relaxed many of their restrictions on imports, and most such tunnels are going out of business. While I was there I heard the whine of Israeli drones and the thunder of jet bombers far overhead...


    Don't, please, accuse of me of complacency or denying the truth. I do not pretend to know everything about Gaza. I don't think it is a paradise, or remotely normal. But I do know for certain what I saw and heard.


    There are dispiriting slums that should have been cleared decades ago, people living on the edge of subsistence. There is danger. And most of the people cannot get out.


    But it is a lot more complicated, and a lot more interesting, than that. In fact, the true state of the Gaza Strip, and of the West Bank of the Jordan, is so full of paradoxes and surprises that most news coverage of the Middle East finds it easier to concentrate on the obvious, and leave out the awkward bits.


    Which is why, in my view, politicians and public alike have been herded down a dead end that serves only propagandists and cynics, and leaves the people of this beautiful, important part of the world suffering needlessly.


    For instance, our Prime Minister, David Cameron, recently fawned on his Islamist hosts in Turkey by stating Gaza was a 'prison camp'. This phrase is the official line of the well-funded Arab and Muslim lobby, who want to make sure Israel is seen by the world as a villainous oppressor....


    But if you think Israel is the only problem, or that Israelis are the only oppressors hereabouts, think again. Realise, for a start, that Israel no longer rules Gaza. Its settlements are ruins.


    No Israelis can be found inside its borders. And, before you say 'but Israel controls the Gaza border', look at a map. The strip's southern frontier – almost as hard to cross as the Israeli boundary – is with Egypt. And Cairo is as anxious as Israel to seal in the Muslim militants of Hamas.


    Gaza was bombed on the day I arrived in retaliation for a series of rocket strikes on Israel, made by Arab militants. Those militants knew this would happen, but they launched their rockets anyway. Many Gazans hate them for this. One, whom I shall call Ibrahim, told me how he had begged these maniacs to leave his neighbourhood during Israel's devastating military attack nearly two years ago. His wife was close to giving birth.


    He knew the Israelis would quickly seek out the launcher, and that these men would bring death down on his home. But the militants sneered at his pleading, so he shoved his wife into his car and fled.


    Moments after he passed the first major crossroads, a huge Israeli bomb burst on the spot where his car had been. The diabolical power of modern munitions is still visible, in the ruins of what was once a government building.


    It looks as if a giant has chewed and smashed it, and then come back and stamped on it. If you can imagine trying to protect a pregnant woman from such forces, then you can begin to understand how complex it is living here, where those who claim to defend you bring death to your door.


    For the Islamist rocket-firers are also the government here, supported by Iran and others who care more for an abstract cause than they do for real people. They claim that their permanent war with Israel is for the benefit of the Palestinian Arabs. But is it?


    Human beings will always strive for some sort of normal life. They do this even when bombs are falling and demagogues raging. Even when, as in Gaza, there is no way out and morality patrols sweep through restaurants in search of illicit beer and women smoking in public or otherwise affronting the 14th Century values of Hamas.


    So I won't give the name of the rather pleasant establishment where young women, Islamic butterflies mocking the fanatics' strict dress code with bright make-up and colourful silken hijabs, chattered as they inhaled apple-scented smoke from their water-pipes.


    Their menfolk, nearby, watched football on huge, flat-screen televisions. Nor will I say where I saw the Gazan young gathering for beach barbecues beneath palm-leaf umbrellas.


    Of course this way of life isn't typical. But it exists, and it shows the 'prison camp' designation is a brain-dead over-simplification. If it is wrong for the rich to live next door to the desperate – and we often assume this when wecriticise Israel – then what about Gaza's wealthy, and its Hamas rulers?


    They tolerate this gap, so they are presumably as blameworthy as the Israelis whose comfortable homes overlook chasms of poverty.


    Then there is the use of the word 'siege'. Can anyone think of a siege in human history, from Syracuse to Leningrad, where the shops of the besieged city have been full of Snickers bars and Chinese motorbikes, and where European Union and other foreign aid projects pour streams of cash (often yours) into the pockets of thousands? Once again, the word conceals more than it reveals.


    In Gaza's trapped, unequal society, a wealthy and influential few live in magnificent villas with sea views and their own generators to escape the endless power cuts.


    Gaza also possesses a reasonably well-off middle class, who spend their cash in a shopping mall – sited in Treasure Street in Gaza City, round the corner from another street that is almost entirely given over to shops displaying washing machines and refrigerators.


    Siege? Not exactly. What about Gaza's 'refugee camps'. The expression is misleading. Most of those who live in them are not refugees, but the children and grandchildren of those who fled Israel in the war of 1948.


    All the other refugees from that era – in India and Pakistan, the Germans driven from Poland and the Czech lands, not to mention the Jews expelled from the Arab world – were long ago resettled. Unbelievably, these people are still stuck in insanitary townships, hostages in a vast struggle kept going by politicians who claim to care about them. These places are not much different from the poorer urban districts of Cairo, about which nobody, in the Arab world or the West, has much to say.


    It is not idle to say that these 'camps' should have been pulled down years ago, and their inhabitants rehoused. It can be done. The United Arab Emirates, to their lasting credit, have paid for a smart new housing estate with a view of the Mediterranean.


    It shows what could happen if the Arab world cared as much as it says it does about Gaza. Everyone in Gaza could live in such places, at a cost that would be no more than small change in the oil-rich Arab world's pocket.


    But the propagandists, who insist that one day the refugees will return to their lost homes, regard such improvements as acceptance that Israel is permanent – and so they prefer the squalor, for other people.


    Those who rightly condemn the misery of the camps should ask themselves whose fault it really is. As so often in the Arab world, the rubbish-infested squalor of the streets conceals clean, private quarters, not luxurious and sometimes basic, but out of these places emerge each day huge numbers of scrubbed, neatly-uniformed children, on their way to schools so crammed that they have two shifts.


    I wish I was sure these young people were being taught the principles of human brotherhood and co-existence. But I doubt it. On a wall in a street in central Gaza, a mural – clearly displayed with official approval – shows an obscene caricature of an Israeli soldier with a dead child slung from his bayonet.


    I might add that an Arab intellectual, sitting in a Gaza cafe, recalled for me the happy days when Gazan women used to wear short skirts (now they all wear shrouds and veils) and you could get a beer by the beach.


    But perhaps best of all was the comment of the Arab Israeli who mourned for 'the good old days before we had peace'. It may well be that no solution to the problem of Israel is possible, and that it will all end, perhaps decades from now, in a nuclear fireball.


    But if outside politicians, more interested in their reputations than in the lives of Arabs and Israelis, would only stop their search for a final settlement, might it be that people – left to their own devices – might find a way of living together, a way that was imperfect, but which no longer involved human beings being dissolved into hunks of flying flesh by high explosive?


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    Feminist anti-Israel activists become "comfort women" for Arab men


    A reasonable penalty for letting hate rule your brain


    Two activists have exposed a disturbing phenomenon that they say is an open secret within the “peace camp”: female “peace” activists are routinely harassed and raped by the Arabs of Judea and Samaria with whom they have come to identify. They say the phenomenon has gotten worse lately and that many foreign women end up as wives of local Arabs against their will, but cannot escape their new homes.


    Roni Aloni Sedovnik, a feminist activist, penned an article in News1 – an independent website run by respected investigative reporter Yoav Yitzchak – under the heading “The Left's Betrayal of Female Peace Activists Who were Sexually Assaulted.”


    “A nauseous atrocity has been going on for a long time behind the scenes at the leftists' demonstration at Bil'in, Naalin and Sheikh Jarrah [Shimon HaTzaddik],” she writes. “A dark secret that threatens to smash the basic ideological values upon which the demand to end the occupation of the Territories rests.”


    It turns out, she explains, that when female peace activists from Israel and abroad come out to Judea and Samaria and demonstrate against the Israeli “occupation,” they are assaulted sexually by the Arab men whom they have come to help. These are not isolated incidents, Aloni-Sedovnik stresses. Rather, this is an “ongoing and widespread” phenomenon that includes verbal and physical abuse. She accuses the 'peace' camp of purposely covering up the trend so as not to offend “the Palestinians and their heritage, which sees women as sexual objects.”


    Media cover-up


    Aloni-Sedovnik cites two specific cases which she has knowledge of – one is a case of rape and another is “severe sexual harassment.” The attackers in both cases, she stresses, were familiar with the victims and knew that they were “peace activists.”


    The rape occurred several months ago in the village of Umm Salmona, near Bethlehem. The victim, an American activist, wanted to press charges but leftist activists put pressure on her not to do so, so as not to damage the struggle against the 'occupation.'


    The second case involved an Israeli activist who took part in the demonstrations at Shimon HaTzaddik neighborhood in eastern Jerusalem, where the High Court ruled that Jewish families may move into homes that they have owned for generations. This woman filed a complaint with the police but retracted it after “severe and unfair pressure” from the demonstrations' organizers, according to Aloni-Sedovnik. Furthermore, the organizers appealed to demonstrators to dress modestly when they come to the Arab neighborhoods and suggested that they wear head scarves.


    Aloni-Sedovnik accuses the Israeli media of complicity in the cover-up.


    “How is it that we do not hear the voice of the radical feminists who repeat, day and night, that occupation is occupation, and it does not matter if it is a nation that is doing the subjugation, or a man who is subjugating a woman?


    "It appears that there is a gap between the radical-leftist feminist theory about the active resistance to the occupation of the Territories, and the stuttering self-annulment in the face of the violent conquest of women.”


    The Umm Salmona case was reported in Haaretz as an attempted rape but does not seem to have made it beyond the blog pages.


    Foreign women raped and subjugated


    Earlier this year, a blogger and literature buff named Yehudah Bello, who writes in various venues about history and the theory of evolution, wrote a blog post with the striking title: “The Female Leftist Activists are Raped Day after Day, Night after Night.” Bello is no ultra-nationalist, and he supports the creation of a PA state – a fact which makes his claims all the more believable.


    Most female leftist European activists, writes Bello, are brainwashed in their youth into hating Israel, and then sent directly into Judea and Samaria, without spending a single night in Tel Aviv, lest they see civilian Israeli society for themselves and find that they like it. They are whisked off to Shechem, Jenin and other PA towns and housed in Arab educational or cultural facilities, or private homes. Local Arab girls are sent to befriend them and they have no choice but to trust them.


    It is thus easy, explains Bello, “to carry out a sexual crime against a foreign girl, in her first days away from her family, in a place where no police have ever visited. And this is what happens, and has happened.”


    "I was told of such rape cases by women who are not Jewish: a female European leftist activist, a female Red Cross volunteer and a young Arab woman from Yafo,” he says. He says that he met these women when he carried out IDF reserve duty, and met them afterward as well. “They told me what goes on there, in the Palestinian villages, far from any prying eye.”


    "These are not just cases of rape carried out to satisfy lust,” he writes. “Usually, they are carried out systematically in order to make the girl pregnant and then take her as a wife – after she converts to Islam, of course. We know about this system from the stories of women who underwent a similar process within Israel and escaped to Europe. But it is hard to escape from the Palestinian territories. Sometimes these women – some of whom are no longer young – are never allowed to leave their homes unaccompanied, in order to forestall their escape.”


    If someone were to compare the list of foreign female activists who enter Judea and Samaria to the list of those who leave, Bello claims, the magnitude of the phenomenon would be proven. “Everyone knows about it, but no one dares talk about it. The Palestinians have been turned into martyrs. In the Middle Eastern television channels, IDF soldiers are represented as the brutal rapists, who rape Palestinian women.”


    New Israel Fund involvement


    The reports by Aloni-Sedovnik and Bello are of particular interest because feminist groups have been spearheading leftist activism in Israel for many years. According to Gila Svirsky, the former director of the New Israel Fund in Israel and founder of NIF-sponsored Women's Coalition for Peace, “women’s peace organizations, known collectively as the Israeli women’s peace movement, became the most vibrant and persistent part of the peace camp in Israel.” These groups espouse an ideology which equates militarism (by Israelis) with male domination of women. Far from being a fringe element, leftist-feminists of this ilk are a dominant force in the Israeli academic world, the press, the Knesset and the judicial system.


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    Gaza is another part of the leftist agenda. In addition to a new mall, they built a waterpark. These projects were completed in record time despite what we're told about there being a humanitarian crisis and embargo on concrete and building supplies. It didn't take long for Hamas to burn the waterpark down though.


    As far as women being held against their will, this is nothing new. Luckily, there are organizations that risk their lives to rescue these women (prisoners), though only a small percentage are ever freed.

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    Ha! The first part was written by Peter Hitchens right? A prince among men in my estimation, I read that on his blog a few days ago.

    I can't pretend I know enough about the Gaza situation to make a detailed analysis, but I have always been of the opinion that I'd like to never go there. It just seems like basic ''common'' sense to me.
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    A huge Muslim problem: inbreeding
    9/10/2010 By Bryan Fischer


    Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous consequences of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

    The practice of marrying close relatives, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

    This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

    The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

    According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

    The numbers are equally devastating in other important Muslim countries: 67% in Saudi Arabia, 64% in Jordan and Kuwait, 63% in Sudan, 60% in Iraq, and 54% in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.

    According to the BBC, this Pakistani, Muslim-inspired inbreeding is thought to explain the probability that a British Pakistani family is more than 13 times as likely to have children with recessive genetic disorders. While Pakistanis are responsible for three percent of the births in the UK, they account for 33% of children with genetic birth defects.

    The risk of what are called autosomal recessive disorders such as cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy is 18 times higher and the risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.

    Other negative consequences of inbreeding include a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths and a 50% increase in the possibility that a child will die during labor.

    Lowered intellectual capacity is another devastating consequence of Muslim marriage patterns. According to Sennels, research shows that children of consanguinous marriages lose 10-16 points off their IQ and that social abilities develop much slower in inbred babies.

    The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, the official demarcation for being classified as “retarded,” increases by an astonishing 400 percent among children of cousin marriages.

    (Similar effects were seen in the Pharaonic dynasties in ancient Egypt and in the British royal family, where inbreeding was the norm for a significant period of time. Twenty states in the U.S. allow first cousins to marry, but first cousin marriages remain rare in America. And the problem comes with generation after generation of first cousin marriage, which flushes recessive gene malformations to the surface.)

    In Denmark, non-Western immigrants are more than 300 percent more likely to fail the intelligence test required for entrance into the Danish army.

    Sennels says that “the ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.” He points out that the Arab world translates just 330 books every year, about 20% of what Greece alone does.

    In the last 1,200 years years of Islam, just 100,000 books have been translated into Arabic, about what Spain does in a single year. Seven out of 10 Turks have never even read a book.

    Sennels points out the difficulties this creates for Muslims seeking to succeed in the West. “A lower IQ, together with a religion that denounces critical thinking, surely makes it harder for many Muslims to have success in our high-tech knowledge societies.”

    Only nine Muslims have every won the Nobel Prize, and five of those were for the “Peace Prize.” According to Nature magazine, Muslim countries produce just 10 percent of the world average when it comes to scientific research (measured by articles per million inhabitants).

    In Denmark, Sennels’ native country, Muslim children are grossly overrepresented among children with special needs. One-third of the budget for Danish schools is consumed by special education, and anywhere from 51% to 70% of retarded children with physical handicaps in Copenhagen have an immigrant background.

    Learning ability is severely affected as well. Studies indicated that 64% of school children with Arabic parents are still illiterate after 10 years in the Danish school system. The immigrant drop-out rate in Danish high schools is twice that of the native-born.

    Mental illness is also a product. The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of schizophrenic illness. The increased risk of insanity may explain why more than 40% of the patients in Denmark’s biggest ward for clinically insane criminals have an immigrant background.

    The U.S. is not immune. According to Sennels, “One study based on 300,000 Americans shows that the majority of Muslims in the USA have a lower income, are less educated, and have worse jobs than the population as a whole.”
    Sennels concludes:

    There is no doubt that the wide spread tradition of first cousin marriages among Muslims has harmed the gene pool among Muslims. Because Muslims' religious beliefs prohibit marrying non-Muslims and thus prevents them from adding fresh genetic material to their population, the genetic damage done to their gene pool since their prophet allowed first cousin marriages 1,400 years ago are most likely massive. (This has produced) overwhelming direct and indirect human and societal consequences.

    Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Christian compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous religion. These stark realities must be taken into account when we establish public polices dealing with immigration from Muslim countries and the building of mosques in the U.S.

    Let’s hope America wakes up before a blind naivete about the reality of Islam destroys what remains of our Christian culture and our domestic tranquility.

    The above blog is an edited version of the blog which first appeared on this site on Friday, September 10, 2010.

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    ""This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage."


    this would explain 9/11

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    So the western women that go to the Gaza are helping, in becoming mother's to the next generation,at the same time improving the gene pool,at least they are of some use then.
    But i doubt that is what will really happen's,they go there, become pregnant,and come back to the west,and as they have produced offspring,they will recieve social security for sixteen to nineteen years,well done girl's.

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    I say carpet bomb the region with nukes, why the hell not, this whole arab vs jew is bullshit I mean how many centuries have they had to sort out this relgiouse bullshit? I mean what the fuck they are fighting over a peice of land insted of living a peaceful and productive lives as their God wants them to so why notget rid of thesource ofall thisuseless, pointless bloodshed so people can gorw the fuckup andstart living normal productive lives?
    As the old song goes, " Killing for reilgion is something I don't understand. "
    But since neither side is willing to make a real first step in making a real effort at making a long and lasting peace and work towards a real peace I say the world give both side eqaul arms step back and let them settle this shit once and for all.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    'Tis a pity, Kargan, that America didn't take that exect view about friggin' Ireland.
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    I say carpet bomb the region with nukes, why the hell not, this whole arab vs jew is bullshit I mean how many centuries have they had to sort out this relgiouse bullshit? I mean what the fuck they are fighting over a peice of land insted of living a peaceful and productive lives as their God wants them to so why notget rid of thesource ofall thisuseless, pointless bloodshed so people can gorw the fuckup andstart living normal productive lives?
    As the old song goes, " Killing for reilgion is something I don't understand. "
    But since neither side is willing to make a real first step in making a real effort at making a long and lasting peace and work towards a real peace I say the world give both side eqaul arms step back and let them settle this shit once and for all.
    From the Quran in Surah Almominun
    (Chapter no. 18, verse no 91) No son did God beget, nor is there any partner with Him.

    1. According to Muslims, the Koran is considered the inerrant, holy scripture that comes directly as a revelation from Allah. However, there have been many examples of factual errors and inconsistencies throughout the book. Thus, either the Koran did not really come from Allah, since Allah cannot be in error or think inconsistently. Or Allah produced the Koran but he is not perfect. Either way, a major tenet of the Islamic faith is disproved; it is a false religion.

      2. The Islamic scriptures teach that Jesus never actually died on the cross. He is alleged to have departed from the cross before fully expiring. This is simply historically inaccurate, however, as essentially no New Testament historian (even the most radically anti-Christian) believes Jesus survived crucifixion.

      3. Muslims hold that God can have no Son and no equal, as Christians allege in their doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God). But there exists ample evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was in fact the Son of God, just as He taught. Moreover, Jesus testified to the reality and the divinity of the Holy Spirit. [On the historical Jesus, His identity, and His teachings in this regard, see the works of Gary Habermas, William Lane Craig, Darrell Bock, Craig Blomberg, Ben Witherington, and Craig Evans (to name some top scholars)].

      4. The Islamic deity commands unjust and unholy wars. He is thus not morally perfect and is unworthy of worship. But any deity that is unfit for worship cannot be the greatest conceivable being, i.e., God.

      5. There are good reasons to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Evidences include fulfilled prophecies, the remarkable coherence of the text despite its myriad authors and stories and time frames. The Bible's accuracy has been substantiated greatly by modern archaeology and classical historical studies. The Bible contains no proven factual errors or contradictions (unlike the Koran) and is attested to as God's Word by Jesus Christ, whom we have good reason to believe was divine Himself. Since the Bible is God's Word and it contradicts the Koran, we can be sure that the Koran is not divinely inspired. Islam is inaccurate in this regard and thus demonstrably false.
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    'Tis a pity, Kargan, that America didn't take that exect view about friggin' Ireland.
    I hear you bro, the world is fucking nuts, I could never understand the sittuation in Ireland(the hate between the cathloics and the prods), I can never understand why people are so fucking stupid when it comes to religion, as friend of mine once said
    " Organized relgion is just an excuse for everyone to be crappy to one another. " and I agreee with that.

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    (Chapter no. 18, verse no 91) No son did God beget, nor is there any partner with Him.

    1. According to Muslims, the Koran is considered the inerrant, holy scripture that comes directly as a revelation from Allah. However, there have been many examples of factual errors and inconsistencies throughout the book. Thus, either the Koran did not really come from Allah, since Allah cannot be in error or think inconsistently. Or Allah produced the Koran but he is not perfect. Either way, a major tenet of the Islamic faith is disproved; it is a false religion.

      2. The Islamic scriptures teach that Jesus never actually died on the cross. He is alleged to have departed from the cross before fully expiring. This is simply historically inaccurate, however, as essentially no New Testament historian (even the most radically anti-Christian) believes Jesus survived crucifixion.

      3. Muslims hold that God can have no Son and no equal, as Christians allege in their doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God). But there exists ample evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was in fact the Son of God, just as He taught. Moreover, Jesus testified to the reality and the divinity of the Holy Spirit. [On the historical Jesus, His identity, and His teachings in this regard, see the works of Gary Habermas, William Lane Craig, Darrell Bock, Craig Blomberg, Ben Witherington, and Craig Evans (to name some top scholars)].

      4. The Islamic deity commands unjust and unholy wars. He is thus not morally perfect and is unworthy of worship. But any deity that is unfit for worship cannot be the greatest conceivable being, i.e., God.

      5. There are good reasons to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Evidences include fulfilled prophecies, the remarkable coherence of the text despite its myriad authors and stories and time frames. The Bible's accuracy has been substantiated greatly by modern archaeology and classical historical studies. The Bible contains no proven factual errors or contradictions (unlike the Koran) and is attested to as God's Word by Jesus Christ, whom we have good reason to believe was divine Himself. Since the Bible is God's Word and it contradicts the Koran, we can be sure that the Koran is not divinely inspired. Islam is inaccurate in this regard and thus demonstrably false.
    So we christains say and the muslems say the same thing about christainty,which is fine if christains and muslems disagree about faith, what is not ok is the hate, intoleance and bloodshed over one's religion, so why not give everyone euqal arms and armor and settle it once and for all instead of dragging this religouse bullshit on and on.
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    The Arab Betrayal of the Palestinians

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    Paul Monk

    In four decades of reading about international affairs and Middle Eastern geopolitics, I do not think I have come across a work of history that more fully illuminated the true sources of Palestinian terrorism and irresolvable conflict with the realities of Israel than does Efraim Karsh’s Palestine Betrayed. If ever a book merited the description tour de force, this is it. The pity of it is that only those who are already favourably disposed to the state of Israel are likely to so much as read it—and most of those will probably skim it, not really absorbing the subtle power of its detailed argument.

    Karsh is Professor and Head of the Middle East and Mediterranean Studies Programme at King’s College, London. He is the author of Saddam Hussein: A Political Biography (1991); Empires of the Sand: The Struggle for Mastery in the Middle East 1789–1923 (1999); The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948 (2002) and Islamic Imperialism: A History (2006). In this latest book, he is attempting to correct the historical perspective of those, whether Israeli, Arab or Western, who believe that Zionism is to blame for the relentless cycle of violent conflict in the Middle East and that the chief reason for this is Zionist ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arabs in the war of 1948. Israeli revisionist historians like Benny Morris and Avi Shlaim are among those with whom he is taking issue; but primarily he seeks to establish an historical account that will counter the relentless and pernicious propaganda of the Arabs and their Western supporters regarding the events of the 1940s and what the Arabs call El Nakba, “The Catastrophe”, in which they lost Palestine to the Jews.

    This is important historical work and Karsh has delivered what should surely be the new benchmark for understanding the origins of the Palestinian conflict. That benchmark is that the root cause of both the conflict and the flight of Palestinian Arabs from their homes in 1948 was not Zionism, but the refusal of the Arab leadership to accept a deal on any terms with the Jews about the existence of a Jewish state of any kind in Palestine. Unless one starts from the groundless assumption that Palestine naturally belongs exclusively to Arabs (and Muslim Arabs at that), there can be no basis for the consistent and violent rejection by the Arabs of the idea of a Jewish state. After all, there had been Jews in “Palestine” long before there were any Arabs and there had never been an Arab state of Palestine. Moreover, the Jews were keen to help the Arabs achieve modernisation, freedom and prosperity. Yet outright rejection of any form of self-determination for the Jews of Palestine was the response of the Arab world and of the leaders of the Palestinian Arabs to the Balfour Declaration (1917), the League of Nations mandate (1920), the Peel Partition Plan of 1937 and the United Nations Partition Resolution (November 1947); to say nothing of the tireless efforts of the Zionist movement, from the late nineteenth century all the way through to the 1940s and even beyond to persuade the Arab leaders to form a co-operative and constructive partnership with the Jewish state for the greater good of the Middle East. Karsh’s book demonstrates all of this with what can only be called—looking at Arab behaviour—damning lucidity.

    Nothing is more striking or more carefully and copiously documented by Karsh than the patient and persistent efforts of the Zionist leadership to persuade the leaders of the Arabs, Palestinian and other, to work with them for the common good on the basis of a small, non-imperial Jewish state and good will towards their Semitic brothers the Arabs. The language of the Zionists, in their own internal deliberations and in their overtures to the Arab leaders, stands in stark contrast with the language of the Arab leaders themselves, which was relentlessly rejectionist, uncompromising and all too often violent, racist and even genocidal. The prevalence of vicious anti-Jewish racism and conspiracy theory in Arab thinking, even in the 1930s, is a grave indictment of the moral character of the Arab leadership. The open sympathy of notable Arab leaders, not least the Hajj Amin Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, for Hitler and Nazi persecution of the Jews should, surely, have led to his disqualification from any role in a Middle East settlement under the British Mandate. Certainly, it goes much further towards explaining the irrationality and brutality of Arab policy towards Israel in 1948 than any act of the Zionist movement.

    The first and most fundamental historical fact that Karsh establishes is that Zionism was in no sense predatory and was by no means the tool of “Crusaders” or Western imperialists intent on colonising the Arab world. He shows, in fact, that both the British and American defence and foreign policy establishments were not at all inclined to support the idea of a state for the Jews, lest the oil-rich Arab states of the Middle East take offence. As Karsh observes, when American defence secretary James Forrestal reminded President Truman of the importance of Arab oil for US strategic interests, the president responded that “he would handle the situation in the light of justice, not oil”. The British, who exercised the League of Nations mandate in Palestine between 1920 and 1948, were decidedly inclined to favour the Arabs, not the Jews, in the conflict over land in Palestine; not for any honourable or principled reason, but purely for reasons of expediency. In the pursuit of their muddled geopolitical aims, the British authorities succeeded only in making a mess in the Middle East, as they had at the same time in the Indian sub-continent, with another scheme for partition.

    The attitude of David Ben-Gurion to Jewish-Arab relations in Palestine is the touchstone for understanding the debate about the intentions of the Zionists. “As early as 1918,” Karsh writes, “Ben-Gurion argued that ‘had Zionism desired to evict the inhabitants of Palestine it would have been a dangerous utopia and a harmful, reactionary mirage’.” In 1926, Ben-Gurion underscored this, stating:

    the Arab community is an organic, inextricable part of Palestine; it is embedded in the country, where it toils and where it will stay. It is not to disinherit this community or to thrive on its destruction that Zionism came into being.

    He still held this view in 1947. Even Ze-ev Jabotinsky, famous for his 1923 article “The Iron Wall”, in which he argued that the Arabs would never accept a Jewish state until they came to realise that they had no choice, wrote in the very same article of the ideal of guarantees against Arab displacement, equal rights for Arab citizens in a Jewish state and the prospect “that both peoples can live together in peace like good neighbours”. He foresaw a thriving state in which Jewish immigration, energy and education would generate a prosperity “in which the Arabs will be happy”. And Jabotinsky was the leader of the “militant” Zionists.

    The real predators, Karsh shows, were the Arab states themselves, not least among them the Hashemites, in both Transjordan and Iraq, who scarcely had any historical claim to the lands of Palestine, but nourished overweening ambitions to build a pan-Arab empire where the Ottomans had ruled for centuries. The Syrians and Egyptians, similarly, harboured ambitions for grabbing pieces of Palestine as the League of Nations mandate expired and the British withdrew. None of them exhibited the least intelligence or humanity as regards the likely fate of the Palestinian Arabs in the event of a war to the death with the Jews. This is the thrust of Karsh’s title—Palestine was betrayed, not by the British (though they did badly), not by the United Nations, not by the Zionists, but by the Arab leaders and especially the leaders of the Palestinian Arabs.

    When the United Nations Partition Resolution was passed, on November 29, 1947, Jews danced in the streets throughout Palestine and Golda Meir, then a prominent Zionist official who later, of course, became prime minister of Israel, declared to thousands of them in Jerusalem, “Our hands are extended in peace to our neighbours. Both states can live in peace with one another and co-operate for the welfare of their inhabitants.” That this did not happen is exclusively the responsibility of the Arab leaders, whose response to the UN Resolution was to launch all-out war on the nascent and very small state of Israel. Meir knew, as did the other Zionist leaders, that neither the Palestinian leaders nor the Hashemites, nor the Egyptian and Syrian leaders, intended to accept the hand of peace; but it did not stop them from extending it. Perhaps the greatest service Karsh renders as an historian is in patiently documenting the record of their attempts, over decades, to gain Arab acceptance of Jewish autonomy on peaceful terms.

    But perhaps the most insidious myth propagated by anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic sources for decades since 1948 has been the notion that the Jews engaged in systematic and premeditated ethnic cleansing in 1948, driving out hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs to make way for a pure Jewish state on Arab lands. I had, until I read Karsh’s book, given a degree of credence to this tale, though tending still, in all the circumstances, to feel sympathy for the Jewish cause. The single most potent piece of evidence in this version of events has long been the massacre at Deir Yasin carried out by the Irgun, on April 9, 1948. Karsh shows, however, that Deir Yasin was altogether the exception and was not an act of official Zionist policy at all. Elsewhere, the premeditated and systematic policy was an effort to encourage the Arabs to (1) accept the partition plan; (2) remain within the borders of the Jewish state if they so desired and on equal terms with its Jewish citizens; and (3) stay especially in their own villages and cities as the conflict began, while withholding support from those who were truly intent on ethnic cleansing—the Arab Higher Committee and the Arab Legion.

    The real heart of Karsh’s book consists of chapters six, seven and eight, in which he explores in detail the circumstances under which the Arabs fled from Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1948. It is here that he shows the appalling and unmistakable contrast between the Jewish desire for conciliation and co-operation with the Arabs and the reckless determination of the Arab League and the Arab Higher Committee to destroy the Jewish state regardless of the cost to their own people. There are countless details in these chapters which should be absorbed into the common understanding of these epochal events, but few are more eloquent than the episode at Haifa in May 1948. The Arab leadership declared that they would urge all Arabs to flee the city, but the elderly Jewish mayor of the city, Shabtai Levy, pleaded with them to stay, telling them that they were committing “a cruel crime against their own people”. Karsh adds:

    Yaacov Solomon, a prominent Haifa lawyer and the Hagana’s chief liaison officer in the city, followed suit, assuring the Arab delegates that he “had the instructions of the commander of the zone … that if they stayed on they would enjoy equality and peace and that we, the Jews, were interested in their staying on and the maintenance of harmonious relations” ... But the Arabs were unmoved.

    They refused to sign a truce agreement, saying they would rather all their people were killed than sign such a document. What was one to do with such people? Even phlegmatic British observers, like General Hugh Stockwell, who was on the spot, were exasperated and incredulous at the Arab leadership’s attitude.

    One of the beauties of Karsh’s book is that he provides a set of five maps which show the successive evolutions of the territorial division of Palestine. These maps show: the British administrative divisions of Palestine under the League of Nations mandate; the administrative divisions of the Levant under late Ottoman rule; the Peel Commission Plan for the partition of Palestine, of July 1937; the United Nations Partition Plan of 1947; and the armistice lines in Palestine at the end of the Arab war to destroy Israel in 1948–49. The final three of these maps show that, had the Palestinians—or their reckless and territorially ambitious Arab overlords—accepted partition in 1937, Israel would have been a tiny state extending only about twenty-five miles to the south of Tel Aviv, excluding Jaffa and confined to the old Galilee, Haifa and Lydda Districts and the Tulkarm Sub-District of the Samaria District of the old British mandate. The Arab state would have included the whole of the present West Bank, most of the Jerusalem District, the Beersheba Sub-District, the Gaza District and the Negev. Had they accepted partition in 1947, they would have no longer had the Beersheba Sub-District or the Negev, but would have gained a good deal of the Galilee District. Having been goaded and led to war, they ended up with no state of Palestine at all. And that is how things still stand, since they still stubbornly refuse to accept the right of the state of Israel to exist.

    The tragedy of the Palestinian Arabs is not that Israel was established, but that their benighted leaders insisted on refusing any accommodation with Israel and betrayed them to defeat and dispossession. As Karsh shows, the Palestinians fled because the Arab leaders either fled themselves, or urged them to leave, or cleared them out of the way in anticipation of a genocidal pan-Arab onslaught against the Jews. His accounts of how all this unfolded in Haifa and Jaffa are particularly detailed and impressive. The result was that hundreds of thousands fled and the obdurate refusal of the Arab leaders to come to terms with the legitimacy of the state of Israel made it entirely impossible for Israel to allow a “right of return” after the armistice. In short, showing a criminal disregard for the well-being of the Palestinian Arabs, Arab leaders treated them as expendable pawns in an irrational campaign to annihilate Israel. The Secretary General of the Arab League, Abdel Rahman Azzam, irresponsibly declared in the midst of negotiations over a settlement to the 1948 war that sooner or later the state of Israel would be destroyed and that, in the event of repatriation, Israel would, fortunately, be placed in an impossible situation by the sabotage its Arab inhabitants would be well-placed to carry out against it.

    Until I read Efraim Karsh’s book, I was inclined, while partisan to the cause of the democratic state of Israel, to see the long conflict between it and the Palestinians as a tragedy of irreconcilable territorial claims. That is no longer the case. Karsh has caused the scales to fall from my eyes. I no longer see any excuse whatsoever for the violence of the Palestinian “militants” or the anti-Israeli rhetoric of the Arab states and their allies elsewhere in the world. These things are nothing but the stubborn continuation of irrational and counter-productive strategies that have long since betrayed the best hopes of Palestinian Arabs and forced Israel to adopt often condign measures for self-defence.

    Until or unless the Palestinians finally renounce their avowed aim to annihilate the state of Israel and embrace it as a partner for peace and development in the Levant, there cannot be a peaceful settlement of the conflict. And the responsibility for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the Arab leaders; nowhere else.

    The responsibility of those who wish to at least understand these tragic matters is to read such books as this attentively and come to grips with the impossible position in which the irrational obduracy of the Arab world has placed the Jews both before and ever since the creation of the state of Israel.


    Paul Monk’s article “Why Should We Study History?” appeared in the June issue. His most recent book is The West in a Nutshell: Foundations, Fragilities, Futures (Barrallier Books)
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    I hear you bro, the world is fucking nuts, I could never understand the sittuation in Ireland(the hate between the cathloics and the prods), I can never understand why people are so fucking stupid when it comes to religion, as friend of mine once said
    " Organized relgion is just an excuse for everyone to be crappy to one another. " and I agreee with that.
    So we christains say and the muslems say the same thing about christainty,which is fine if christains and muslems disagree about faith, what is not ok is the hate, intoleance and bloodshed over one's religion, so why not give everyone euqal arms and armor and settle it once and for all instead of dragging this religouse bullshit on and on.
    They are too blood thirsty and genocidal to put their fanaticism aside. They Koran tells them to quarrel and kill anyone who isn't Muslim. I'm sure you're familiar with how much blood shed the Sunnis and the shiite muslims has caused? An yet they call it a religion of peace.
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    Nice find Percy, it no longer matters who's worng or right in the middle east, there is just to much bad blood and hate on both sides so that's why I say let them fight it on equal terms, God knowns how amny other nations have tried to help them both reach a peace deal but neither side wants to or is unable to trust one another enough to really make a worthwhile effort at peace so fuck it, give everyone equail arms and then all nations step back and let them kill one another.
    Sad so say but it's the only way this bullshit is going to end when all sides in this conflict had bombed themselves out of extance.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.


 

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