They sound like the european version of the Welsh. Drop the 'L', have them speak femish and send the whole continent's feminazis there. Then cut them adrift.
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Alex Duval Smith in Rhode Saint Genese, Flanders
The Observer, Sunday 16 September 2007
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The mayor is a little uncomfortable. 'Could we go somewhere more private to talk?' begs Myriam Delacroix-Rolin. 'This cafe is Flemish-owned. These days things have become so sensitive. I should not be heard speaking French in there.'
On Tuesday, Belgium marks its first 100 days without a government. There is every reason to believe that the Belgians, and the rest of us, will have to get used to it. The questions now are how will the divorce of Flanders and Wallonia be consummated, and what will become of Brussels, home to the EU and Nato? More worryingly, the demise of Belgium - a sticking plaster over the faultline between Europe's Protestant north and Catholic south - could make Europe a more dangerous place.
'Flanders has systematically organised its independence over 35 years,' said Delacroix-Rolin, a French-speaker fighting to save her village of Rhode Saint Genese, nine miles south of Brussels, from becoming Flemish. 'If they succeed here, they will move on to Brussels. We're like the moat around the castle.'
French-speaking Brussels - whose cultural and linguistic affinity is with Wallonia to the south - sits like an island in Flemish-speaking Flanders. So do the 18,000 souls of Rhode. Delacroix-Rolin said of the French-speaking half of her village: 'We are bilingual, and that is our right. No one held a referendum to ask whether we wanted to be part of Flanders. We just woke up one day [in 1962] and the linguistic frontier had been drawn south of us.'
In the 45 years since, Belgium as a state, steered by the economically and numerically superior Flemish, has effectively devolved itself out of existence. 'Now Flanders with six million people makes the rules and four million French-speakers adapt,' said Delacroix-Rolin, who is banned from speaking French at council meetings or official functions. 'They are very clever. My council does not use language criteria to allocate housing, but the region does. In this way Flanders is ensuring that more Flemish-speakers settle in my municipality. The region also imposes a language test on teachers seeking to work here or parents wishing to adopt children. One way or another, your route is barred unless you have Dutch language diplomas.'
It used to be the opposite. During centuries of Walloon prosperity - including 200 years as Europe's most productive mining and steel basin - the Flemish were looked down on and their language banned. Recently they have gained the economic upper hand, and now see post-industrial Wallonia as a costly passenger. This centuries-old distrust is at the heart of the crisis that has seen the Flemish Christian Democrat, Yves Leterme, fail to form a government since the 10 June elections. The constitution demands a coalition, but French-speaking politicians are refusing to join in his plans to dismantle Belgium. Among Leterme's allies, Flemish nationalist Bart de Wever denies that Wallonia will be cast adrift. 'You can co-operate better as good neighbours than as an unhappily married couple. I'm not a Flemish Milosevic.'
He adds that an independent Flanders would want Brussels as its capital. 'Ten years ago Belgium had its football team, its monarchy, the Belgian franc and Brussels. Now it only has Brussels. For us, it's just the last obstacle.' Increasingly, Flemish politicians speak of the 'Czechoslovakia option' and point to the fact that the 'velvet' break-up in 1993 was a success for both sides. But economically it is hard to imagine what the wastelands of Wallonia would stand to gain. An opinion poll last month found 45 per cent of Flemish people in favour of the disintegration of Belgium against 20 per cent of Walloons.
Most observers believe the break-up is just a matter of time; Flemish nationalist support will grow every time there is a local or national election. But nothing will happen without the EU, to which an independent Flanders, with Brussels as its capital, would have to apply for membership.
To Delacroix-Rolin, the options on the table amount to real threats to her identity and that of her villagers. 'Rhode is like a frontline state. We're in a battle for survival.'
It is likely that Flanders and Wallonia will become separate countries in the future. Belgium is a product created by foreign diplomats.
Belgium used to be part of the Dutch Republic (Latin: Belgica Foederata) from 1581 till 1795 (included Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg) also called the Republic of the United Netherlands.
There are many differences between Flanders and Wallonia in terms of a lack of unity, no single language, different mentalities and views etc.
However, the Guardian article paints a negative image of Flanders.
In the past the French ruling class such as Charles Rogier made it clear that they wanted to eradicate the Flemish culture and those who did not speak French.
This Flemish battle has gone on for centuries before the Flemish were allowed to speak Dutch with their culture as the Francophones tried to suppress it and looked down upon them.
In modern times for example: Belgium has two main languages (Dutch in Flanders and French in Wallonia. Brussels is officially a two language speaking capital city of Belgium, yet the Francophones in Brussels largely refuse to speak Dutch. They didn't keep their end of the bargain.
The French community still refuses to pay money for Flemish schools, while Flemish pay millions for French language education facilities in Flanders.
Wallonia has much higher unemployment and very different viewpoints on a wide variety of political topics compared to Flanders.
The french speaking Wallonians don't care, because the Flemish pay the bills anyway. Wallonia depends on billion Euro money transfers from Flanders to Wallonia for survival. The Wallonian political party Parti Socialiste obstructs the Flemish Vlaams Belang in order to secure these money transfers.
This is like two wheels going in entirely opposite directions.
A peaceful breakup would be best for both like Czechoslovakia did. It's better for Flanders and Wallonia to be good neighbors than to stay in a bad marriage.
Eventually Flanders and Netherlands can be reunified again.
There's more information here (not in english), and the political party Vlaams Belang.
Last edited by JamesBond; 20th-December-2009 at 05:10 PM.
They sound like the european version of the Welsh. Drop the 'L', have them speak femish and send the whole continent's feminazis there. Then cut them adrift.
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Now we just all need to get out of the EU superstate....
I don't oppose the European Union if it is transparent and accountable with directly elected representatives in the council, parliament and a directly elected EU president by all citizens of the EU.
Currently, the European Union is the opposite with deliberate stealth politics and bureaucracy which is really bad.
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