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I believe you're right about the time frame of the Patriot Act and the process they used to introduce it. I also think that our freedoms were taken/given away quite some time ago. Our "unalienable" rights have been amended to suit the government's facade of democracy and what's left of the Constitution has been lost in translation by our lawyer politicians with their ridiculous bills and policies that only they read and then tell us what they mean.

I agree with you 100%


What helped me to see what is actually happening here, is seeing what other leaders have done in the past, it is an old “Political ploy” to create an enemy, where one really does not exist.


Here are some examples......
A phrase which explains how these people operate, is this:
PROBLEM – REACTION – SOLUTION.


They create a problem – which causes a reaction – they then provide the solution to the problem which they actually created.


Here is an example of PROBLEM – REACTION – SOLUTION.


Let us go back in time to the 10th August AD 64.


This was the day that the Roman Emperor Nero had Rome set alight, it is said that Nero fiddled as Rome burned.


Nero then blamed the fire onto the Christians, this meant that Nero could now persecute the Christians.


Nero commited suicide and on his death bed, Nero admitted that he had given orders for Rome to be set alight.


This is a perfect example of…………
PROBLEM – REACTION – SOLUTION.


Problem: Fire.
Reaction: People afraid and concerned.
Solution: Deal harshly with the so called trouble makers, who were really innocent.
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The American battleship, “Maine” was, they said, "Sunk by a Spanish mine" in Havana harbour, and war, between America and Spain followed on the instant.


Many years later, when the Maine was raised, her plates were found to have been blown out by an inner explosion.


Years later, when government documents were declassified, the truth emerged, the battleship Maine, had been blown up by the Americans, (under orders by their own government) who then blamed the Spanish, thereby causing the war to begin.


Problem: Warship explodes.
Reaction: Great anger towards the Spanish.
Solution: Declare war on Spain.


This means that those in charge get what they want, regardless of how many others may of died or been injured.
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The Nazis set alight the Reichstag building (the capitol building, in Berlin) and blamed the fire on their political enemies.


This meant that the Nazis could introduce new laws, taking liberty away from the people, they could put more secret police onto the streets, thereby gaining more control over the masses.

And the rest as they say is history.


Problem: The burning of the Reichstag building.
Reaction: The public`s fear of further similar events.
Solution: More secret police – more laws which removed the rights of the individual.
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eery illumination of historical events. I've never thought to put them together like that. I'm aware of the instances individually but when taken in as a sequence of events like you have put out there just now it bastardizes governments throughout history.

Do you think we'd be better off without one? I think I stated this somewhere else but I can't recall where;

We have a group of flawed people policing the flaws of other flawed people. (Or something to that extent.)

Kind of depressing.

Quote from Bmiricle

eery illumination of historical events. I've never thought to put them together like that. I'm aware of the instances individually but when taken in as a sequence of events like you have put out there just now it bastardizes governments throughout history.

Do you think we'd be better off without one? I think I stated this somewhere else but I can't recall where;

We have a group of flawed people policing the flaws of other flawed people. (Or something to that extent.)

Kind of depressing.

Democracy.


Man to woman: “Will you marry me ?”


Woman to man: “What decision making system will we operate ?”


Man to woman: "Every four years I will ask your opinion, you willl love it, it is called democracy !!”
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I live in the UK, where I no more live in a democracy than I live in a bowl of custard.


The masses are fed, from an early age, this “Deceit” of democracy.

They never ask my opinion on any law that they pass !


This country can go to war, and my veiw is not sought.


I am a “Peasant” ruled over by the “Ruling elite.”

I live in the UK, where I no more live in a democracy than I live in a bowl of custard.

I live in the U.S. where we try to promote the democracy we don't live under by war. What a suck-box.

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I live in the U.S. where we try to promote the democracy we don't live under by war. What a suck-box.

Indeed.

Please do watch this short video......
YouTube - War is a Racket by Smedley Butler

Very intriguing. I found the idea of paying everyone the salary of a soldier pretty cool. Change the oil in your Ferrari on this you douche-bags.

Thanks for the link.

You may enjoy this as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnGj9sKfLls&feature=fvw

Bloody Hell, conspiracy theorists. I suppose it's all part of the mix.

By suggesting it's an inside job excludes the Muslims of blame, ever considered that ?

Better still would be to follow the Dutch example and stop those infidels from building, purchasing and immigrating. The last time they invaded Europe they did it by force now they do it by stealth and we have the conspiracy theorists aiding and abetting their efforts..

Quote from christianj

Bloody Hell, conspiracy theorists. I suppose it's all part of the mix.

By suggesting it's an inside job excludes the Muslims of blame, ever considered that ?

Better still would be to follow the Dutch example and stop those infidels from building, purchasing and immigrating. The last time they invaded Europe they did it by force now they do it by stealth and we have the conspiracy theorists aiding and abetting their efforts..

It doesn't exclude anyone from blame as far as I can tell. Just seems to me a corrupt government is the focal point of the conversation. I don't mind bashing insurgents as well, just haven't gotten that far yet.

Quote from christianj

By suggesting it's an inside job excludes the Muslims of blame, ever considered that ?

Well done, now you have it !!!


You may find this helpful:
The American president Franklin Delano Roosevelt and others at the very top of the American command, not only knew of the forthcoming attack on Pearl Harbour – they also indirectly caused it to happen.


Comprehensive research has not only shown Washington knew in advance of the attack on Pearl harbour, but deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from the commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the “Surprise” attack would catapult America into World War


Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, stated in 1944: “Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty of history to say that America was forced into the war.”


Although FDR desired to directly involve America in the Second World War, his intentions sharply contradicted his public pronouncements.


A pre-war Gallup poll showed 88% of Americans opposed American involvement in the European war.


The hierarchy in America needed something “catastrophic” to swing American public opinion in the opposite direction.

A so called “Surprise attack” on Pearl harbour would do just that.


Citizens realized that American participation in World War 1 had not made a better world, and in a 1940 (election-year) speech, Roosevelt typically stated: “I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”


But privately, the president planned the opposite. Roosevelt dispatched his closest advisor, Harry Hopkins, to meet British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in January 1941. Hopkins told Churchill: “The President is determined that we [the United States and England] shall win the war together.


Make no mistake about it. He has sent me here to tell you that at all costs and by all means he will carry you through, no matter what happens to him — there is nothing he will not do so far as he has human power.”


William Stevenson noted in: “A Man Called Intrepid” that American-British military staff talks began that same month under “utmost secrecy,” which, he clarified, “meant preventing disclosure to the American public.”


Even Robert Sherwood, the president’s friendly biographer, said: “If the isolationists had known the full extent of the secret alliance between the United States and Britain, their demands for impeachment would have rumbled like thunder throughout the land.”


Roosevelt’s intentions were nearly exposed in 1940 when Tyler Kent, a code clerk at the American embassy in London, discovered secret dispatches between Roosevelt and Churchill.


These revealed that FDR — despite contrary campaign promises — was determined to engage America in the war. Kent smuggled some of the documents out of the embassy, hoping to alert the American public — but was caught.


With American government approval, he was tried in a secret British court and confined to a British prison until the war’s end.
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The Japanese were really after the Aircraft Carriers which were at Pearl Harbor, those Carriers were taken away before the attack and returned after the attack, “Good luck” or “Pre planning ?”
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Problem: The (supposed) surprise attack on Pearl harbour.
Reaction: The great anger of the American public.
Solution: The American public changes it`s mind, is now ready to go to war.

Quote from Bmiricle

Very intriguing. I found the idea of paying everyone the salary of a soldier pretty cool. Change the oil in your Ferrari on this you douche-bags.

Thanks for the link.

You may enjoy this as well.

YouTube - THIS could have been done with the money spent on Iraq war!!

An excellent video.

I live in the UK where they can`t find the money to build a Hospital, but they can find money to fund a War !!!

I don't think anyone will for 100% certenty will know the FULL truth about 9-11, however one thing is abundely clear that Bush, Blare and the other leaders of the western/femanazi nations DID use 9-11 to enact harsh new laws and strip away more and more personal freedoms of the people, The patiort act and the british vertion as well as other vertions of such acts in the western/femanazi nations.

All in all True Democracy went out the window in the late 60's with the rise of the second wave of femanazis who were used as a smoke screen to not only brake the trust and love between males and female but to undermind democracy so it could be replaced with Democracy v.666 so that the western nation could begin the long martch to an Owellenin police state.

If you have doubts about that look back to the Real History of the western nations back in the late 40's and 50's and see how diffrent the western nations were after the second world war as compaired to what they are today and you will see that it was in the 60's when the second wave femanazis opened their pie holes that the slow distergration of True Democracy started to take place.

see what I am saying?