View Poll Results: What is your view of the usefulness of "equality" for the cause?
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It is essential. We must strive towards equal outcomes for all gender based issues.
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It essential that all humans are given the same equal starting point.
7 33.33% -
Some folk are more equal than others, that will not change, but we can try...
1 4.76% -
Equality cannot be a realistic goal because folk cannot be regarded as "identical" and hermophradite..
9 42.86% -
Equality is unrealistic, but it has its uses in debate, when it benefits us!
1 4.76%
The great equality debate.. What is the way forward?
This is a discussion on The great equality debate.. What is the way forward? within the Political Correctness Gone Out of Control! anti misandry forums, part of the General News category; Anyone involved in gender politics cannot have failed to have noted how often "equality" is mentioned when folk are battling ...
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The great equality debate.. What is the way forward?
Anyone involved in gender politics cannot have failed to have noted how often "equality" is mentioned when folk are battling for scarce resources (both financial, social and more abstract)..
Is "equality" really a useful concept for the gender warfare game?
Or is the entire idea of it so unachievable for reasons of different "starting positions" in all humans that we should completely abandon referrences to this utopian ideal?
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Re: The great equality debate.. What is the way forward?
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- 30th-July-2009 #3
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Equality is just a word, like fairness, used by leftists to make their case emotional and get supporters. Equality isn't equal and fairness isn't fair. Read any "fairness" law and you will see that they just take people from the one's who earned them and give them to those who didn't.
This would be related to the financial part.Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
I always enjoy asking leftists from the US or Western Europe why shouldn't their countries donate 50% of their GDP to Somalia, Etiopia and so on, since they care so much about the poor and so on. I mean, using their logic, this is what they should support, but they will disagree with you because they just want others to pay for the things THEY want and not have to work for them. When OTHERS need something, SCREW them. It's the fault of the corporations and greedy rich because those countries have garbage governments anyway! :P
Another thing I enjoy is asking leftists how much they donate to help the poor. I think I will use the same with feminists. How much did they donate to help single mothers or whatever they rant about at that moment. They don't want to help each other, they want to force others(usually men) to provide for them.
Another thing the left pushes for is hate crimes and hate speech, but they will never apply them against minorities, women and so on. For example, if a Norwegian says that he is tired of seeing his country's women getting raped by immigrant hordes, he will get fired and get a few months in jail(this actually happened). Who cares about the mosques in which Imams preach that uncovered women are fair game to men and ask to be raped? Not ONE got closed down and not ONE Imam got banned entry in the EU. Then when the Europeans get mad at it, they sent them to jail. Same issue with hate crimes. If 5 white men lynch a black guy, it's a hate crime because historically there were more white men lynching blacks. If a black guy rapes a white woman and kills her boyfriend, it's not a hate crime, even though historically blacks raped more white women than white men raped black women. With the leftist logic, if a black guy steals a white man's car, it should be a hate crime. :P
Equality should mean equal opportunity and having your natural rights enforced(and not shit leftists make up, like right to healthcare, which is a privilege). What you do with that opportunity is your decision and you should live with the consequences.
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These google ads are not only making it difficult to reply to posts, they are also preventing me from voting in the poll, bu obscuring the topic..
- 30th-July-2009 #5
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Must be my browser then, because I cant reply to the poll!
I think you bring up an interesting point regards equality..
Inequality exists in all areas of life, but there seems to be some drive (usually from lefties) to reduce it..
So far, I dont see any signs of success in doing this!
Because, at the end of the day, folk dont have equal amounts of the most basic commodity..
Money!
Its all well and good saying the laws should be promoting equality, but its unreal, because as we all know, those who have the most money, can buy the best lawyers etc!!
I think trying to "equalise" the genders by state methods, is foolish because the main feature of gender is "opposites"..
A male and a female are different..
Denial of this fact, seems to the base starting point of the equalists..
Which is ridiculous..
One may as well say lions and antelopes are equal, then feed them the same diet.. see how far that gets one!!
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Re: The great equality debate.. What is the way forward?
equality is a feminit weasel word meaning unilateral advantage to wimyn at the expense of men ultimately leading to feminit hegemony ; generally to feminits equality means ascendancy over men and that is why all feminit agitprop promotes equality all the time
- 31st-July-2009 #8
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haahoo, even if you take all the money in the world and divide it among people, in 200 years we will be in the same place. If you have ambition and work hard you can become "comfortable" after being poor.
I have a friend who had like 15 million $ and now got a boat building company and when he graduated school he had a suit and loans to pay. 8 years later... lol. I have another friend who slept in a place with faulty windows and when it was raining outside it was raining in his place and now he became a manager in some commodity trading company and got a new house a few months back and so on. If you're willing to work your ass off, you will make it. Your starting position just shows how much harder you have to work than the others. And obviously you won't become the biggest banker or whatever in the world in 5 years. A committed long term effort is needed.
- 31st-July-2009 #9
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RV - your comments reminded me of something I heard the other day on the subject of Foreign Aid (we occasionally get a bit here) :-
Foreign Aid is a system for taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.

Way back in the 60s Bob Dylan sang, "Equality! I spoke their word, as if a wedding vow. But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now".
It's a meaningless word.
- 31st-July-2009 #10
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Foreign aid should be banned. :P
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- 31st-July-2009 #12
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To expect the same results even from people that start with the same conditions is presuming that everyone is just as good as the other person, which is false.
But it follows the mantra that nobody loses, everyone is special and so on.
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I believe that gender inequalities only became an issue when folk were brainwashed by the state to accept the new tool of feminismm.. Up until then gender differences were accepted.. The advantages of being male or female were balance by the disadvantages of that gender..
Society had a long to adapt to the circumstances that civilisation brought and few folk felt unhappy about being born one gender or the other so much that they had to spend all their lives complaing about it!!
Some Men perhaps wished they had been born female shortly before being forced to die in battle.. And some women may have cursed the blue-viened hat stand that impregnated them when they gave birth, but on the hole, there was satisfaction..
- 31st-July-2009 #14
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Both words had meaning once.
Both have been ruined.
The first was Fair,
our childhood’s most cherished friend:
Resolver of squabbles, distributor, sharer,
Fair cared for all:
a string of rubies around her doomed, pale and lovely neck.
It was so sad.
They said it was consumption.
All used up, in tatters, shrouded,
she just faded away.
Next to go was that sturdy, quarrelsome Equality,
which surprised us all
as he was so in demand, they said,
by all,
especially some;
aye, and relied upon.
For so many years a staunch friend and fighter.
His burial dressage, a white cheesecloth, yoked neck.
Naked beneath,
his scarred skin a testament.
Parchment.
Burned Beyond Recognition.
Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
(St. Augustine)
“ For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
(and within ourselves)
(Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
(Me)
- 2nd-August-2009 #15
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Besides feminism, another statist use for equality comes in the terms of multiculturalism. While feminism hurts men in order to prop up women, the multiculturalist policies are in a way similar. They force the majority to prop up minorities through welfare and lax immigration policies and while the majority works their ass off and pays taxes, the minority has kids and pretty much replace the majority. Any European knows what I'm talking about. lol
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