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    Crime's gender agenda

    Unless we acknowledge that women also commit violent offences, we will never find useful solutions


    There was a common assumption linking at least three of these articles that, superficially at least, addressed three very different types of crime. The assumption appeared to be that there is a qualitative difference between the crimes that are committed by men and those committed by women.

    It was Cath Elliott's piece on so-called "family annihilators" that set the tone. The article acknowledged that women also committed these offences but stated "what sets these [male] family annihilators apart is the sheer spitefulness of the act." This seemed a little strange, not least because in the same paragraph Cath linked to the case of Susan Smith. This woman wanted to begin a new relationship without the baggage of a family and, rather than surrender custody to their father, she drowned her own two children. Maybe it's just me, but that seems about as spiteful an act as it is possible to imagine.

    by refusing to recognise the evil that women can do, we devalue the suffering and loss of their victims.



    The same author followed up that piece with her thoughts on the Josef Fritzl case in which, long before the investigations and court cases are complete, she declared that she believed Rosemarie Fritzl to be completely innocent of any complicity in this affair. She concluded that: "Rosemarie Fritzl is a classic example of a victim, cowed by Fritzl's domineering and controlling behaviour, completely subjugated by the power he exercised over her. Josef Fritzl might seem a monster by comparison to most people, but he is in fact just another violent abusive man, albeit one at the most extreme edge of the spectrum."

    The triptych was completed by Kia Abdullah in a heartfelt piece about so-called "honour" killings. The author pointed out that "on occasion, women too partake in these crimes" but then went on to lay the blame squarely at the hands of men: "In much of Asian society, there is a distinct demarcation between men, who apparently understand the true meaning of honour, and women who cannot be trusted to protect their own."

    All these arguments place the power relationship between men and women at the heart of violent crime. Whatever wicked acts a woman may have planned, committed or condoned, she is either assumed to be mentally ill, marked down as another victim, or seen as an exception that somehow proves the rule.

    There's no argument that female offenders are exceptions - the people who perpetrate violence in this world are overwhelmingly male. Whether it's the frequency and severity of violent crime and sexual offences or involvement in the horrors of warfare, men are responsible for most of it. The majority of victims of male violence are in fact other men, but of course the victims also include many women and children.

    There is also little doubt in my mind that we live in a patriarchal world where, despite considerable progress in developed countries, our structures of government, commerce, economics, social norms and availability of opportunities still serve to empower men over women. Societies evolve in large part to protect vested interests, and our societies have evolved in part to protect male privilege.

    However, one can assert that we live in a patriarchal world, and observe that we live in a world where violence by men is commonplace, without assuming that the latter is caused by the former. The two beliefs are entirely independent, and indeed there are some very strong practical reasons why we should be wary of assuming a causal relationship.
    The disproportionate prevalence of male violence might be explained by socialisation or by genes, chromosomes and hormones, but to answer the bigger questions of what causes violent behaviour, we need theories that explain female violence too. If male violence is a product of patriarchal values, what explains female violence?

    It has been argued that female violence is so exceptional and rare as to be unworthy of consideration. This really doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The US department of justice estimates that around 11% of homicides are committed by women (there are no equivalent figures published by the Home Office in the UK). On domestic violence, the British Crime Survey consistently shows surprisingly little difference in rates of victimisation between men and women. Many men are the victims of violent female partners, and not in all cases are the offenders acting in self-defence or out of severe provocation. There are also sufficient female sex criminals, child abusers, murderers of all varieties and run-of-the-mill bullies, happy-slappers and muggers to oblige us to consider female perpetrators as a consistent, persistent minority of violent offenders. Any theory of criminality that fails to recognise this truth has to be inadequate.

    The other explanation proffered by some feminist thinkers is the theory of internalised patriarchal values. The idea is that in order to survive and thrive in an oppressive society, victims come to accept and believe in the moral values and judgments that cause their own oppression. This is a broadly psychoanalytic theory, assuming unconscious motivations and false consciousness, concepts drawn down from Freud through Melanie Klein. The process of internalisation has been widely disputed by psychologists over the past 50 years, not least by the influential moral development theorist Lawrence Kohlberg. Such theories are also rejected by most modern applied psychologists as they are fundamentally untestable and therefore beyond scientific investigation.

    Contrary to popular belief, exceptions do not prove a rule - they require us to rewrite the rule. If we wish to explain and understand a phenomenon - any phenomenon - it is not a healthy scientific approach to begin with a theory and then disregard any evidence that does not fit. It is in fact those exceptions that allow us to refine and improve our theories. If we were to assume that the roots of sadistic sexual abuse are in patriarchal values, then where does the case of Lynndie England lead us? We could conclude that she has adopted male values, that although her sex is female, her crimes were still essentially male. But does this actually tell us anything useful? Can we apply that knowledge to the real world in any constructive manner? I don't see how. On the other hand, if we look beyond patriarchy to the theories of social cognition proposed by Philip Zimbardo and others, Lynndie England becomes less of an awkward exception and more of a living case study in the corrupting influence of power and untrammelled authority. What's more, such theories can actually feed into public policy in ways that might eventually reduce the incidence of abuse.

    To draw a distinction between male and female violence is often, I believe, simply bad science. But there are also political reasons to resist the temptation. It does feminism or the cause of equality no favours to portray women as perpetual victims. By showing reluctance to cast women in the role of the aggressor or the offender, we actually deny the female sex the dignity of free will and agency. It denies women's individuality and even their (imperfect) humanity.

    What may be worse, however, is that by refusing to recognise the evil that women can do, we devalue the suffering and loss of their victims. As soon as we claim that the crimes of Susan Smith, Karla Homolka or Bachan Athwal are less noteworthy than those of their male equivalents, we inevitably imply that the experience of their victims is similarly insignificant. They deserve better.

    There has been something of a crimewave on Cif lately. From knifings and delinquent girls on the streets to family murders and the horrors of an Austrian basement, the search is on for explanations, understanding and, if possible, solutions.




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    Re: Crime's gender agenda

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    It has done well so far.



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    Fits well, too. Toysoldier (awesome blog CHECK IT OUT!) compares a canibal case to Fritzl:

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    October 26, 2008 by TS

    UPDATE: The women were convicted and sentence. Fair warning: the details of the article are rather graphic, so if you do not want to be disturbed please do not read the article or what follows below.
    A cannibal cult mother who tortured her son in a locked cellar while relatives skinned him and forced him to eat his own flesh has been jailed for nine years.
    Klara Mauerova, 31 - a member of a sinister religious cult and her sister Katerina led the sickening torture of her eight-year-old son [...] and his ten year-old brother [...].*
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    The judge also jailed Katerina, 35, for ten years for her role in the sickening abuse.
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    Another defendant, 34-year-old Barbora Skrlova, was also jailed for five years for her part in the torture. Three others who took part in the abuse were also given jail terms.
    Hana Basova, 28, and Jan Skrla, 25, were sentenced to seven years each while another man, Jan Turek, was jailed for five years.
    As I noted previously, the most any of the women could receive was twelve years. That is rather sad given the cruelty and brutality of their actions. They deserve longer sentences, preferably life sentences, for the damage they have done. What they received is little more than a slap on the wrist, although the judge at least acknowledges the real intent behind their actions:
    Judge Pavel Goth said as he sentenced the women: ‘Their aim was to create a person with a completely broken will. [The boys] were repeatedly psychologically and physically tyrannised and held in locked rooms.’
    What these women did was so horrendous that the judge’s words do not quite show the gravity of what was done:
    The two boys had told judges how their mother and relatives had stubbed cigarettes out on their bare skin, whipped them with belts, and tried to drown them. They were also sexually abused and forced to cut themselves with knives.
    The terrified youngsters said they were kept in cages or handcuffed to tables and made to stand in their own urine for days.
    I do not have to imagine what these boys will go through, how difficult it will be for them in the coming years, how hard it will be for them to trust people, particularly women, nor do I have to imagine the problems they will have finding support groups should they seek them. Their “punishment” for being non-believers and boys was far worse than anything these women will receive. Those women essentially got away with it, and assuming that they do not have to serve the full terms of their sentences, they are getting off rather easily.


    What is truly sad is the total lack of coverage or mention of this beyond newspapers. The Friztl case made international news, spawned several special reports and opened up a discussion about how people horrible people are capable of being. Yet, here is an instance that is arguably as bad if not worse and now speaks of it. No coverage, no mention, not even a ticker scroll about it. The reasons are fairly obvious. The torturers are female and the victims are male, so it does matter, something reflected by the total lack of mention of this horrible case on any feminist blog.
    Rather sad.
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    A seven-year-old boy was kept chained in a closet as relatives hacked off pieces of his flesh to eat, a court has heard.
    In a case with echoes of the Fritzl family horror in Austria, [the boy] was partially skinned in the closet in a cellar at his home in Kurim near Brno, in the Czech Republic, according to reports.
    The abuse – involving members of a religious cult – was uncovered by chance last May when a neighbour’s television baby monitor picked up graphic pictures of what was happening next door.
    [The boy] and his nine-year-old brother [...] were locked and chained in the cellar for months by their mother Klara, 31 – a member of a group called the Grail Movement.
    He was caged, beaten and gagged to stop him screaming, according to reports.
    Mauerova had the monitor installed so that she could watch the abuse from her kitchen but the images were picked up by a neighbour who used an identical system to monitor a newborn baby, the regional court in Brno has heard.
    Of course, Mauerova has a ready-made excuse for her actions:
    Mauerova has admitted abusing her children but she said she had been manipulated by Skrlova and her own sister Katerina.
    The accused are Klara Mauerova, her sister Katerina, 34; Barbora Skrlova, 33; her brother Jan Skrla and a friend Jan Turek.
    Chances are that both Jans will receive harsher sentences than the women who actually tortured these boys. As sad as that is it fails to compare to utter inhumanity of Mauerova, Sjlova and Katerina. Claiming brainwashing is an easy way out, but does not in any way excuse what these women did. These women reduced two little boys into literal just being food stuff. They were not even living beings in these women’s eyes.
    When I express a dislike of people, others often wonder why. Well, the above is why. It is not what was done that makes me dislike people. It is how easily it occurred, how little it seems to have taken for these women to treat another living being in a way they likely would not treat any object they owned. That callousness is unfortunately a very real part of being human. It is a part of everyone and as one can see it does not take much to switch that on.
    I hope this gets as much coverage as the Friztl case from earlier this year. It likely will not because of the gender of the victims and the abusers, but it should. It should for the same reasons the Fritzl case got so much attention: it shows the extent of inhumanity that is inherent in every person, but in this instance the sheer level of cruelty women are capable of. Every time I hear anyone excuse female violence I think about the instances I know of (both personally and indirectly) and this one is likely going to stick my mind.
    EDIT: I happened upon another blog that has more details about the case and the trial. Apparently the most time any of the women can possibly serve is 12 years.
    * Names removed to give the victims some semblance of respect.

    http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2008...ate-boy-alive/



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