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  • 21st-April-2011
    BobV01

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Lest anyone be interested:
    1whore \ 1hōr, 1hór, 1hůr\ noun [ Middle English hore. From Old English hōre: akin to Old Norse hōra whore, hōrr adulterer. Latin carus dear – more at CHARITY] (before 12th century)
    1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE, also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
    2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money
    3 : a venal or unscrupulous person
    2whore verb whored; whoring (1583) intransitive verb
    1 : to have unlawful sexual intercourse as or with a whore
    2 : to pursue a faithless, unworthy, or idolatrous desire
    transitive verb
    obsolete : to corrupt by lewd intercourse : DEBAUCH
    whoreˑdom \1hōr-dƏm, 1hȯr-, 1húr-\ noun {Middle English hordom sexual immorality idolatrous practices, from Old Norse hōrdōmr adultery, from hōrr] (12th century)
    1 : the practice of whoring : PROSTITUION
    2 : faithless, unworthy, or idolatrous practices or pursuits
    whoreˑhouse \ 1hōr,haůs. 1hor-, 1hůr-\ noun (14th century)
    : a building in which prostitutes are available
    : BORDELLO
    whore-master \-,mas-tǝr\ noun (14th century)
    : a man consorting with whores or given to lechery
    whoreˑmonˑger \-,mǝɳ-gǝr, -,maɳä-\ noun (1526)
    : WHOREMASTER
    whoreˑson \1hōr-sǝn, 1hȯr-, 1hůr\ noun often attributive (14th century)
    1 : BASTARD
    2 : a coarse fellow – used a generalized term of abuse
    -WEBSTER’S UNIVERSAL ENCYCLOPEDIC DICTIONARY ISBN 0-7607-2911-5

    whore is used in the Odyssey which is about 3,000 years old
    whore is found in the Bible at Leviticus 19:29, Leviticus 21:7, Deuteronomy 22:21, Deuteronomy 23:17, Judges 19:2 and at least fifty-eight more places. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are two of the earliest books in the Old Testament and should be found the Torah as well. The Qur’an may deal with this at least at Surah
    whore was written by William Shakespeare at least in King Henry the Sixth.

    -There is an agenda afoot working at least with the mechanics of lingual obfuscation, sex becomes gender, sex becomes hooking up, some of us know the battles at Mens News Daily over gewgl lingual rules, as well as the often fought battles at wick-e.
    -Some wordsmiths have sought for a very long time to persuade our thoughts and our actions by offering ill-suited constructions (now sometimes referred to as marketing). In financial circles, by now, many have heard of derivatives, as it stands the term has some validity within that context, but there are those who think the term was used to obfuscate the full reality. Money and sex, and, estate and wealth are each and all well worth review obfuscating reality, me thinks, only leads to ill suited behavior.
    -There was a time when the word misandry was concealed, thank goodness for the OED (Oxford English Dictionary), it took it seems, three decades or more, to reintroduce the word in contravention of seemingly prevailing agendas.
  • 20th-April-2011
    Marx

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from Richard View Post
    This fourm is public - imagine if you were in a bar and started saying "I know this filthy wh***", people would lok at you and think....
    Exactly - it makes you wonder what kind of dump these curse-mongers live in.
  • 20th-April-2011
    Richard

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    I think was Marx says is write about language.

    He has been kind enought to set up and maintain this site (how many of us help him?, I plead guilty I dont)

    From what he said he is not censoring, just setting the TONE.

    We all occasioaly use "bad"words, but what we dont want is every other word to be bad - imagine if you just walked into this group, you would think they are a bunch of pesants.

    There is a private message option, in that one can use what words one chooses.

    This fourm is public - imagine if you were in a bar and started saying "I know this filthy wh***", people would lok at you and think....

    But if you used equally bad words like "a lady of disrepute" you would gain wide respect - and gain the moral high ground.

    But on the other hand Marx, you are getting your opponents emotions wound up and I think it becoming more of a prestige or "I can do what I like" battle. Marx, as you can see, the vast majority agree with you about language.
  • 20th-April-2011
    Zuberi

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from chevalier View Post
    You obviously have not researched this forum much if you are finding this to be a problem.

    Out of the many thousand threads here which I guess you have read you somehow cam to the conclusion that misogyny is rampant here?
    If he is a noob then has no room to run his mouth nor regulate the speech on this forum. There have been enough trolls in the past, who've crawled onto this forum and pulled the same stunt. Quite frankly, I'm sick of it!
    An no he has not read every last thread on this forum so he can't conclude that misogyny is rampant here.
  • 20th-April-2011
    Douglas

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    A great message. I have lost at least one person who I introduced to this site and who could have been a great asset - just because of the childish ranting and name-calling. Oh, and when I pointed it out on the thread, I was called a mangina for doing so, which nearly made me stop contributing.

    Some of the "tactics" used here remind me of the worst of feminist meetings/websites and I reject them for the same reasons. Even though I am active in fighting for men's interests, I don't label myself an MRA because I don't want to be grouped with the behaviour of some people on sites like this.
  • 20th-April-2011
    Zuberi

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from chevalier View Post
    But I simply will not bow down to the Tera's and Capt.Kirks that tell me that I must always be nice to women while getting screwed over.
    Neither will I.
    Playing nice won't stop you from getting ran over by the usual suspects. This forum is fine without the language Nazis and white knights!
  • 20th-April-2011
    Percy

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Thanks for the OP Capt. Kirk. I thought you made your point reasonably and it is a reasonable point.

    As for all the @#$% who can't take a *&^ing bit of "&@)>> criticism and moderate their %!!ing language, get <"{)&&^ ya barstewards.

  • 20th-April-2011
    themanonthestreet

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    I farted.

    That is all.

    TMOTS
  • 19th-April-2011
    Marx

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Please don't speak for me, BK and I'll avoid speaking for you. (i.e. don't tell me and others what I think when you've clearly no concept)

    If you want to drag a site into the mud by making it indigestible to the majority of folks - go somewhere else and do so. Don't come in my home and shit all over it and try to justify it with some rubbish about fishnets.

    This site IS my home. And unfortunately for you I get to make the rules.


    All I ask is that people replace 'stupid whore' with a more mature choice of words that actually fits the reality of the situation they're talking about. Is that so difficult to grasp?
  • 19th-April-2011
    Black Knight

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from chevalier View Post
    Well then Marx would be correct. She is not a whore unless she sells sex for money or favors. In court she is selling neither. She is seeking gain which would make her self serving or greedy.
    She already sold marriage to her husband. Court's just cashing out

    Another argument for the marriage strike

    Not that getting married is whoring, but getting married with the intent of profit is certainly selling yourself for money
  • 19th-April-2011
    chevalier

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from Black Knight View Post
    "Whore can dance, Whore can work" = endless derogatory euphemisms or unnecessary reliance on euphemisms? It was in perfect context, she was using her sexual relationship (marriage) intentionally to profit and make a living. If a woman intentionally does the same on a corner, she's a sexual. But she does it in a court and we're being derogatory by calling her a whore.

    The worst part is we know she's intentionally profiting from her marriage because she was lying to get extra, instead of what she'd normally receive. But in Marx's world, she aint a whore unless she wears fishnets.
    Well then Marx would be correct. She is not a whore unless she sells sex for money or favors. In court she is selling neither. She is seeking gain which would make her self serving or greedy.
  • 19th-April-2011
    Black Knight

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Quote Quote from Marx View Post
    BK, if you were thinking of investigating a certain cause - and you were confronted with endless derogatory euphemisms, would you seriously think to yourself "Oh this is perfectly acceptable"? Or would you be a little disconcerted with the unnecessary reliance on insulting terms?
    "Whore can dance, Whore can work" = endless derogatory euphemisms or unnecessary reliance on euphemisms? It was in perfect context, she was using her sexual relationship (marriage) intentionally to profit and make a living. If a woman intentionally does the same on a corner, she's a prostitute. But she does it in a court and we're being derogatory by calling her anything but "a very bad woman".

    The worst part is we know she's intentionally profiting from her marriage because she was lying to get extra, instead of what she'd normally receive. But in Marx's world, she aint a whore unless she wears fishnets.
  • 19th-April-2011
    chevalier

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    I agree with you that gratuitous use of name calling and misogyny are very bad things. Not only for the board but for us as member here as well.

    All I am trying to get through to you is that by posting a thread like this all you do is highlight a small problem. And you not only give ammunition to those who come here with nefarious intent but it scares off those who may come here to check us out.

    So you are actually running counter productive to your claims.

    I think your intent was probably genuine and that you sincerely want this to be a productive place.

    But pointing out a pimple on an other wise beautiful face does not help one win a pagent does it?

    Maybe a better way deal with what you think is a problem is to notify Karl or admins. I have seen them deal very effectively with people who go over board without pointing a neon sign at a small problem.
  • 19th-April-2011
    Capt. Kirk

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    Ok, so now we are experiencing the "pass-it-on" mutation, like that old (really old) parlor game where a phrase was whispered down the line and came out as something completely different on the other end. I'll repost my OP here for perspective - I don't see anywhere that I condoned appeasement, nor did I say that anger was wrong - in fact I copped to my own anger. My one and only point is that more reasoned discourse and less venting is going to be better for the MR cause:

    You know, as infuriating as the injustices and double-standards can be, we *really* need to tone down the rhetoric on this forum. I'm a man/MRA and a new poster, and I have to say, the hostility level on this board is frequently out of the park. I was just reading one thread where a poster insisted on repeatedly using 'whore', even after Marx told him to ease off, and elsewhere I'm finding 'bitch' and plenty of other derogatory remarks used in the most vitriolic context. And I've only started getting into the content, god knows what's deeper down.

    Guys, you are angry, I get it. I'm angry too. But when you sound like a child having a tantrum, people stop listening - the only people who will continue to listen are the ones who agree with you (and are also having a tantrum). That's not why this site is here, unless I'm wrong. It's to spread the word and win people over to a more balanced view. There's nothing wrong with venting a bit, but it's gone way beyond that may times here. Let's all take a deep breath and focus on the discussions in a more dispassionate way. If you find yourself gunning to fire off a hot one, get out of your chair and take a walk or something. Let some of the steam out. Make your point, but be in control. We'll all be better for it.
    In other words, "she used him and took advantage of laws slanted in her favor for selfish gain" is more effective than "she's a bitch/whore", even though the latter packs more gratuitousness. If someone stumbled across this site, I'd rather they see the first remark than the second, as I think there's more chance that they'd think about it, rather than dismissing it as hate speech.

    If some people can't understand this, I'm not sure what else I can say. I'm done with this thread.

    All I am saying is your thread is not helpful and is in fact counter productive to your claims...
    Why don't you go research my posts and look to see where I have called misogynists out the same way I do closet misandrists who post here sometimes.
    Glad to hear that you call out hate speech as just that. This thread makes a valid point and I stand by it.
  • 19th-April-2011
    Marx

    Re: Let's all take a deep breath, please.

    BK, if you were thinking of investigating a certain cause - and you were confronted with endless derogatory euphemisms, would you seriously think to yourself "Oh this is perfectly acceptable"? Or would you be a little disconcerted with the unnecessary reliance on insulting terms?
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