The up and coming Ignored Gender Youtube Channel

**themanonthestreet** · 24th-February-2011

He does great work.. researches well, and is on point for most of his videos. Support him.

As for our forum Homophobe - and you are Osho - since you are so heardened in using "proper labeling", it is getting to be a bit much. We all get you don't like it. We all get that it is your pet project in the dark corner of the MRM and AM, but to whimsically throw it out there whenever the right trigger word gets your dander up is a bit much.

You have like 5 threads where you are being allowed - yes we are allowing you to post what we may not like seeing or agree with - but that is the nature of the freedome that AM tries to promote. I DO support your right to say what you say - even if I do not agree, specifically in the confines of "your" threads but, when you start attacking - and you are constantly - other members for what you percieve to be whatever it is... it goes too far. Lighten up.

And truth be told, I myself have gone overboard on occasion and I take full responsibility for my actions. And when I am wrong, I admit it. When I go too far, I again... admit it. Try it sometime. It does wonders.

TMOTS

**Ohso** · 28th-February-2011

Quote from themanonthestreet

As for our forum Homophobe - and you are Osho - since you are so heardened in using "proper labeling", it is getting to be a bit much...
TMOTS

I thought about letting this one go by without response, which would be the Diplomatic move if naught else, as one certainly does not wish to fuel the fires of any flame exchanges.

However, I thought I might try to fashion a reply that does work as a General Intro in to a discussion of the conundrum faced by posters who post relevant factually accurate information from reputable sources (like the US Center for Disease Control) - and are accused of some form of "Ism-Obia" in response.

A Phobia is an Overpowering Irrational Fear that renders the possessor incapable of Rational Thought / Response, and is Not the same as Reasoned Fact Based Opposition, which one may or may not agree with - but cannot be dismissed as simply the product of unthinking fear.

To use the term Phobia / 'Ism-Obia' in order to dismiss inconvenient facts with a blanket denial directed against the speaker and not the Facts...

- is to do a dis-service to the notion that there can be a Rational, Reasonable, Fact Based, Intellectually and Morally Objection to whatever proposition is being discussed (or simply pushed as an inherent if unspoken part of the agenda).

In other words claiming the other party suffers from "ism-0bia" is a poor substitute for direct refutation of the other party's Facts - and as such leaves the disagreement not only un-resolved - but discourages the further use of relevant Facts that may not make those in power happy to read. Kind of like banning the messenger in order to make the contents of the message disappear.

In other words - it can encourage Self Censorship - not of Personal Opinions, but of Plainly Stating Relevant Facts that support ones own opinions- but anger those with opposing views who have no facts of their own to counter with.

Here is but one example of such a Fact, from one such reputable source, that supports a valid MRA Position I have taken - but for which I am not particularly liked in certain quarters for having the audacity to mention - But which Certainly Does Not implicate "Ism-Obia" in any way:

HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)| Topics | CDC HIV/AIDS

In 2007, MSM were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with other men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women.

**Note that the CDC uses a euphemism "MSM" for men who have sex with men, but in their analysis of transmission gets in to the Same Specifics as your correspondent also believes are Necessary to Understanding the Process.

In Summation - Phobias do exist, but claims of them should not be used lightly as a means of avoiding the Fact Checking necessary to confirm or deny the positions of another.

Unless you really want to of course.

Ohso
IN a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

Unregistered · 28th-February-2011

The issue is Ohso, you come across using words that have only a mild resemblance to English language and think it makes you look "clever" when in fact it makes you look like an angry chap with massive issues. YOU do the MRM a disservice because WE support MEN of any flavor while you keep vomiting up incomprehensible threads filled with stupid name-calling and made up words.