Any person or group who uses the word "sexism" is forever trapped in feminist idiotology in my mind and I would imagine the mind of everyone who links that word to the original users and beneficiaries of it.. (i.e. practically everyone in the mainstream)..

Until the MRM starts creating and using its own terms to describe MISANDRY it is doomed to forever look like a dim-witted whiney uncreative reaction to its more worldly big sister/mother the feminist movement..

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Until the MRM starts creating and using its own terms to describe MISANDRY it is doomed to forever look like a dim-witted whiney uncreative reaction to its more worldly big sister/mother the feminist movement..

Right.. but to use only MRM-created terms would alienate a lot of potential supporters. We need to use familiarity to a degree in order to pique people's interests... then we can throw in our own words.

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Right.. but to use only MRM-created terms would alienate a lot of potential supporters. We need to use familiarity to a degree in order to pique people's interests... then we can throw in our own words.

I have heard this argument before from MRA's. From what I have noted, the only people attracted by such an approach are folk who are going to be hard work to win round anyway.. Feminists, ex-feminists who still cling to what they believed was a good idea that aught to include men..

Appealing to "the middle ground" when the middle ground has been taken over by femistatist idiotologies and ways is not going to do any good.. The middle ground has to be MOVED.. And that means, create a new ground that ATTRACTS the sort of folk that will be solid from the start and will not need perpetually re-educated..

The use of established "good terminologies" from either the MRM or the pages of history, doesn't just have the simple effect of changing how folks see the issues (from the correct perspective we want them to see it from) but also will open their eyes to the many links and connections in their thought processes that come of thinking along these lines..

One good example would be the use of the term "sex" when most people would use the feminist term "gender"..

The use of the word "sex" creates many links in the mind, and these links much better give a feel of just what "sexual relations" are truly about.. Much more intuitively than the perverse idea of devisive "gender relations"..

Try it out, as I have, and you will see how much help it is..

I myself, was not totally convinced at first, and it took me some time to realise just how powerful a tool such little things can be..

Once you start to see things from the correct perspective and label them in the correct way to suit the end goal, not some hopeless stepping point that can never be reached using the equivalent of the enemies descredited cast offs.. The reality of matters becomes clearer and easier to navigate without blind alley destractions (engaging with pointless feminist talk forever..)..

Instincts can be over-ridden, but utlimately, not fooled forever..

Is the instinct to comply with the ways of the corrupted and brainwashed world greater than the instinct to recognise misandry as the greatest evil in that world? Or is "sexism" the greatest evil?

We are not living in a world of hermophradites.. (yet!)..

Say it how it is, not how it would look acceptable to the ignorami and those who support misandric practices..

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Appealing to "the middle ground" when the middle ground has been taken over by femistatist idiotologies and ways is not going to do any good.. The middle ground has to be MOVED.. And that means, create a new ground that ATTRACTS the sort of folk that will be solid from the start and will not need perpetually re-educated..

I agree that the middle ground has moved, but disagree that the solution is to abandon 99% of the population. Three weeks ago, I was in the middle ground. Your new ground approach would never have appealed to me back then.

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The use of established "good terminologies" from either the MRM or the pages of history, doesn't just have the simple effect of changing how folks see the issues (from the correct perspective we want them to see it from) but also will open their eyes to the many links and connections in their thought processes that come of thinking along these lines..

One good example would be the use of the term "sex" when most people would use the feminist term "gender"..

The use of the word "sex" creates many links in the mind, and these links much better give a feel of just what "sexual relations" are truly about.. Much more intuitively than the perverse idea of devisive "gender relations"..

Try it out, as I have, and you will see how much help it is..

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Say it how it is, not how it would look acceptable to the ignorami and those who support misandric practices..

In this case, I do fully agree and for a long time now I've abandoned the term 'gender' as it boils down to a mental state rather than fact. However, depending on whom I'm addressing, I may throw 'gender' in just to attract their attention. Many times I've had feminists draw attention to my use of words - but they don't actually explain why they're drawing attention to my words. Sex is the correct term for the vast majority of cases and I try to use it accordingly.

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I agree that the middle ground has moved, but disagree that the solution is to abandon 99% of the population. Three weeks ago, I was in the middle ground. Your new ground approach would never have appealed to me back then.

Folk in the middle ground do not just happen by sites like this I would speculate, they usually have an interest in the topic for sure?

Antimisandry.com

I used to wonder if this was a stroke of genius by marx when he chose this domain name.. Because, it surely does give the correct impression in all its simplistic perfection..

I would hate to think Marx only chose this domain name because "antisexism.com" was already chosen..

The recognition of misandry is easy enough for 99% of the population to see. Whether you call it "sexism" or misandry doesn't really matter much in recognising that it exists for real, but it does somewhat limit the range of "solutions" when one tries to come up with a solution to any of the major issues where misandry is a feature if you approach it from an "anti-sexist" perspective compared to an "anti-misandric" one..

To me, one approach is a complete denial of the reality of how the opposite sexes relate to each other and work best, the other tackles the issue of misandry fully and honestly without betraying the true reality of masculine ways and how the sexes differ in their strengths and weaknesses etc..

Getting the correct foundations for a good erection is always the best way I say before one can hope to build something that can thrust with great might into the heavenly realms!

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In this case, I do fully agree and for a long time now I've abandoned the term 'gender' as it boils down to a mental state rather than fact. However, depending on whom I'm addressing, I may throw 'gender' in just to attract their attention. Many times I've had feminists draw attention to my use of words - but they don't actually explain why they're drawing attention to my words. Sex is the correct term for the vast majority of cases and I try to use it accordingly.

Feminists are a waste of energy trying to bring round, best ignored because they have nothing new to say, just more different ways of being misandric and lying..

I don't visit "another website" or listen or read to the words of Paul Elam and co much.. Not that I don't find much agreement with what is said, I just don't need to hear the same things repeated 100 times as if they are sudden discoveries..

But one of the most significant things I heard from that source was a comment which has been echoed from other top flight MRA's..

Something along the lines of:-

"MRA's need to recognise that what they need to do, is build the force for men, not keep endlessly yabberring to feminists on their terms.."..

Time is overdue fellows..

The brethren need to get organised..

I used to wonder if this was a stroke of genius by marx when he chose this domain name..

Perhaps there is misunderstanding here, especially what is meant by "the middleground". Does this mean the people who think they are in the middle ground, or does it mean the language of the middle ground?

I certainly agree that we must define new language in order to shape the debate. I think the term "misandry" is a good example of that. Using the same narrative as feminism will always mean we will be reactive, rather than pro-active.

But we must find an effective way to reach out to and communicate with a significant proportion of the population. I.e. men and mothers of men.

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Folk in the middle ground do not just happen by sites like this I would speculate, they usually have an interest in the topic for sure?

Certainly. But I was also thinking that if discussions on this site were referenced elsewhere, the link alone would bring the word 'misandry' into the spotlight. I hope to see "misandry" as openly understood and condemned as is "misogyny". One of the first things we can perhaps work on is ranting at online dictionaries and authors of spell-checkers to add the word as part of the default package instead of it having to be added manually by individuals.

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Antimisandry.com

I used to wonder if this was a stroke of genius by marx when he chose this domain name.. Because, it surely does give the correct impression in all its simplistic perfection..

Of course it was.

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Feminists are a waste of energy trying to bring round, best ignored because they have nothing new to say, just more different ways of being misandric and lying..

Yep.. but I think open dialogue is necessary as everytime you prove a feminist wrong in the public domains, you educate an unknown number of people who later review the discussions/arguments. Who knows just how many people have read 10+ year old arguments?

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"MRA's need to recognise that what they need to do, is build the force for men, not keep endlessly yabberring to feminists on their terms.."..

Time is overdue fellows..

The brethren need to get organised..

Agreed.

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Perhaps there is misunderstanding here, especially what is meant by "the middleground". Does this mean the people who think they are in the middle ground, or does it mean the language of the middle ground?

I certainly agree that we must define new language in order to shape the debate. I think the term "misandry" is a good example of that. Using the same narrative as feminism will always mean we will be reactive, rather than pro-active.

But we must find an effective way to reach out to and communicate with a significant proportion of the population.

Right.. so we can work on a step-programme.

Begin with words most people recognise; "sexist","bigot","ideology" and so forth. Once they've grasped the basics move them up a level to the next level by introducing new words. The viewer has already determined whether they agree with your points or not, so if they're still reading, they'll likely research any new word they're not familiar with such "misandry" or "feminazi".

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Perhaps there is misunderstanding here, especially what is meant by "the middleground". Does this mean the people who think they are in the middle ground, or does it mean the language of the middle ground?

I certainly agree that we must define new language in order to shape the debate. I think the term "misandry" is a good example of that. Using the same narrative as feminism will always mean we will be reactive, rather than pro-active.

But we must find an effective way to reach out to and communicate with a significant proportion of the population. I.e. men and mothers of men.

Yes..

The middleground is where elections are won, and where the masses of opinion lie..

To move the middleground, is what the best and most effective changers of opinion do..

Thatcher did it in the 80's, following the woes of the 70's..

She shifted the whole middle ground of politics, somewhat towards the right..

Then, strangely, the opposition where stymied for ages, till "feminism and leftism" which had been working away under the noses of the right wingers in their local government offices etc, found a way of grabbing the middle ground by the "state handouts" culture.. BRIBING THE ELECTORATE.. (mostly female, as we know..)..

Thatcher MOVED the middle ground, blair and co STOLE it.. (or did they buy it with YOUR tax revenues!)

There are many ways of appealling to the masses, most of them need a powerful basis to change their attitudes, and new terms that become the latest "buzzwords" are one of the most potent means of affecting changes..

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Right.. so we can work on a step-programme.
Begin with words most people recognise; "sexist","bigot","ideology" and so forth. Once they've grasped the basics move them up a level to the next level by introducing new words. The viewer has already determined whether they agree with your points or not, so if they're still reading, they'll likely research any new word they're not familiar with such "misandry" or "feminazi"
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The problem I see with that approach is that terms such as "sexist" are very strongly associated with "shaming of men" so as soon as that word is noted, it can instantly repel a potential reader before he even has seen the context..

I know, back in the 80's, whenever a man mentioned the word "sexist" or whatever, I would recoil in horror instinctively, even if they were to continue to say that what they were referring to was not actually in the usual feminist perspective of "men are sexist brutes" etc.. (actually, I think it was ALWAYS in that context!, usually directed towards my good self!)..

As we all know, the first thing a reader sees is the headline, before he or she decides to investigate further..

Imagine this headline:-

"Victory for equal rights campaigners against sexist employers"..

I wonder how many of us (or more to the point, the G. Public )would immediately think some womens group had won a battle over some "patriarchal" oppressors and not wish to depress ourselves further by reading it?

"Victory for mens rights campaigners against misandric employers"..

Sounds much better eh?

"Victory for mens rights campaigners against misandric employers"..

That works. That's brilliant in fact.

Well said I agree with your sentiments 100 %

Good points and funny as well lol. But yeah i agree with everything being said. What really shocked me was the prostate cancer and how much more common it was than breast cancer.

if thats you, your good looking to.

An excellent video in all.