Thread: Male Studies - a New Academic Discipline

That's really cool! I wish I didn't live so far away from New York. I'd love to check that out.

I wonder why they couldn't call it 'mens studies' - rather the dehumanized reference of 'male'?

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I wonder why they couldn't call it 'mens studies' - rather the dehumanized reference of 'male'?

Good Question - It would be interesting to get more background on the organizers and participants (I already know a little about Nathanson and Young - authors of 'Legalizing Misandry', which was disappointing in many ways) and just what their own take on Misandry is.

However, the example of 'male feminist' organizations pretending to concern themselves with 'Men's issues shows that even using that term, the agenda can still be Misandrist to the core.

Ohso

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I wonder why they couldn't call it 'mens studies' - rather the dehumanized reference of 'male'?

I conference with these gentlemen regularly, Marx. And while I haven't asked them about why they chose male over men, I will find out and get back to you on this thread.

One thing I can tell you for sure is that in the entire group of them I have seen clearly that there is no intent to dehumanize. They must feel they have a good reason.

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That's really cool! I wish I didn't live so far away from New York. I'd love to check that out.

Fortunately, they are setting this thing up so that you can attend over the internet via live feed. I will be bringing all the details of that here though MND and my AM blog when the set up is complete.

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I wonder why they couldn't call it 'mens studies' - rather the dehumanized reference of 'male'?

"Men's Studies" is already in existence - and from what I've observed, it seems to be very pro-feminist and anti-male in both tone and content. As this new academic discipline is overtly pro-male, I assume that those behind it wanted to differentiate between the two - hence the title "Male Studies".

Another theory, is that it was named "Male Studies" in order to be inclusive to boys. "Male Studies" implies a focus on both men and boys, whilst "Men's Studies" suggests a focus solely on men.

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Good Question - It would be interesting to get more background on the organizers and participants (I already know a little about Nathanson and Young - authors of 'Legalizing Misandry', which was disappointing in many ways) and just what their own take on Misandry is.

However, the example of 'male feminist' organizations pretending to concern themselves with 'Men's issues shows that even using that term, the agenda can still be Misandrist to the core.

Ohso

And even for you, Ohso, here are two more intros to two of the organizers, who now have seats on MND's board.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/12/20/...-on-mnd-board/

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2009/11/17/...-on-mnd-board/

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I wonder why they couldn't call it 'mens studies' - rather the dehumanized reference of 'male'?

Marx, I got a response after posing you good question, as follows:

Paul: Ed's point is that "male studies" is most inclusive--we are male from conception to death. And further, as in the words of William Wordsworth "the child is the father of the man" additionally what happens to us as men is greatly due to experiences we have undergone as boys--I think a response along these lines will eliminate the concerns you relayed to us. DE

This makes sense to me, especially in the academic context. As "male" studies will include boyhood, adolescence and beyond through the full spectrum of life.

If this is still a concern to you please let me know. I think it is important that these good men hear our opinions as they form. I will be happy to pass your thoughts along in the process.

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...-we are male from conception to death.

Absolutely amazing - an academic (still apparently employed) who apparently denies that Gender is simply a "Perception" and has no relation to immutable inherited characteristics from our Fathers found in our DNA.

In California someone with such politically incorrect viewpoints would be banished from academentia and subject to the full wrath of the Law.

Goodness - those who claim to have 'changed' gender even alter their birth certificates, which although restricted to only two names, don't require any Male presence to be valid.

Will this be an issue at the conference?

Ohso

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Marx, I got a response after posing you good question, as follows:

Paul: Ed's point is that "male studies" is most inclusive--we are male from conception to death. And further, as in the words of William Wordsworth "the child is the father of the man" additionally what happens to us as men is greatly due to experiences we have undergone as boys--I think a response along these lines will eliminate the concerns you relayed to us. DE

This makes sense to me, especially in the academic context. As "male" studies will include boyhood, adolescence and beyond through the full spectrum of life.

If this is still a concern to you please let me know. I think it is important that these good men hear our opinions as they form. I will be happy to pass your thoughts along in the process.

I'm very glad to hear... well, read the response given and find my intial concerns diluted comletely now.

I think I'll be investigating this further now.

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Absolutely amazing - an academic (still apparently employed) who apparently denies that Gender is simply a "Perception" and has no relation to immutable inherited characteristics from our Fathers found in our DNA.

In California someone with such politically incorrect viewpoints would be banished from academentia and subject to the full wrath of the Law.

Goodness - those who claim to have 'changed' gender even alter their birth certificates, which although restricted to only two names, don't require any Male presence to be valid.

Will this be an issue at the conference?

Ohso

These men are the real deal, Ohso. I have spoken with all of them and they know not only what they are doing, but what they are up against. I plan to do whatever I can to support them.

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I'm very glad to hear... well, read the response given and find my intial concerns diluted comletely now.

I think I'll be investigating this further now.

Good idea. Let me know if I can help. I think it is important to note that your question went through several people at the top (though I only posed it to one person) and did so very quickly.

While these are not MRA's in the strictest sense, they are probably going to do more for us than most anyone has in the last forty years, and they are listening to us.

I am going to be doing a piece soon about the implications of legitimate male studies programs on the university level. And the implications are enormous.

I think we must consider that when feminist propaganda spreads through the media and even in to our jurisprudence system it is often "supported" by women's studies research, e.g. AAUW and those of that ilk.

With the advent of male studies programs, the two major things will happen (though not without a fight). First, because of the creation of university departments, long ignored studies in the areas of wages, DV and other issues will have a network of scholars across western culture to push them into the mainstream. Also, it will mean that many more new studies will be funded and the results disseminated.

I see many reasons to be most excited about what is happening. I hope that most of us give these men a fair hearing and ultimately support their efforts.

yes!1 there must be two generations of "males" out there as I type who don't know what their script is; time will calrify this but my only advise to them is "don't marry"

Good initiative "First International Conference on Male Studies", we will be joining in from India. In India there's a dearth of studies covering men's rights, which we are planning to take up ourselves.