Thread: The Fourth Kind (2009)

I just hope nobody was abducted and inappropriately touched by those owl eyed aliens as the zoomed around the rings of Saturn

When I was in law school at McGeorge in Sacramento CA (inaugural President of the Men's Caucus - destroyed after I graduated) I set up one of the most widely attended lectures on campus my senior year - about false memory.

It featured Dr. Elizabeth Loftus and her work on a certain segment of the population (not a majority it appears) who are prone to remembering things that never happened - but in some cases were somehow suggested to them. For example, she had numerous documented cases of people being helped to vividly recall their trip to Disneyland and meeting with cartoon characters like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck...

They described in great detail the look and feel of the costumes, the feeling of the hugs... - the entire wonderful experience.

Of course Bugs Bunny was never a Disney character and you would never meet any of them there, but these people were Absolutely Certain they had.

This comes in to play in many areas - including False Rape Claims. There is one notorious story of a woman who Was Raped (really, not made up) and who positively identified her attacker to the police, without any doubt whatsoever.

A man was arrested for the crime - who she identified as the assailant, and his only claim to innocence was that at the time of the rape he was on Live TV - talking with the police chief.

As it turned out - during the assault the television was on and the woman saw this mans face on the tube and that is what she remembered, not her real attacker.

Soooo... I can believe much, but want proof for more - particularly if the much being believed is a fallible human memory.

Ohso
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

I really want to see that movie!

It's not playing anywhere near where I live right now.

Several people in my family (over the span of four generations) have had UFO-related experiences. I'm not going to say anything more about that.

I think the subject is fascinating.

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I really want to see that movie!

It's not playing anywhere near where I live right now.

The full movie is playing right at the link I provided, for free (DVD quality). http://veehd.com/video/2459453_The-Fourth-Kind-2009

As I said in the first post: Press play and let the movie buffer for a few minutes.

You'll need DivX Web Player to watch it (download links on page if you don't have it).

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It's playing right at the link I provided for free (DVD quality). http://veehd.com/video/2459453_The-Fourth-Kind-2009

As I said in the first post: Press play and let the movie buffer for a few minutes.

It's not just a trailer? Awesome!

I LOVED that movie! I was entertained from start to finish. It was cool.

Aliens in AK? Why do they never come to Louisiana? Oh yeah.... the gators will eat them.


Hannah

We need a new VAWA.

The Violent Alien Women Act.

('THEY' are amongst us N.O.W. !)

Several people in my family (over the span of four generations) have had UFO-related experiences. I'm not going to say anything more about that.

A lot of families have a member or two they'd rather not talk about !!

Ever since I read Erich von Dänike's Chariots of the Gods, back in the 90s - I've been utterly fascinated by the concept of alien intervention.

I've always been interested in alien life since I can remember, and the most convincing argument to confirm it exists is to ask yourself to imagine the edge of the Universe (it's said to be infinite, so you can't really see the edge)... then ask how many billions upon billions of galaxies exist... within those, how many have a life supporting star (Sun) to work from... and of those stars, how many might have life-supporting planets revolving around them...

Oh the numbers... how it humbles.

Certainly, I think it too arrogant of us to claim we're the only intelligent life in our Universe.

The movie "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed" should be on everybody's Must See list, and particularly for those on this thread with questions about life off of earth.

While it is a great movie in itself, and thoroughly entertaining, one of the most delightful moments comes when a prominent atheist denounces both intelligent design and creationism (two different theories) as having anything do to with God...

Bud admits that there might be an intelligent design to human and other life - but only if it comes from Space Aliens, who themselves must have spontaneously generated out of nothing and not as a work of God. Its a great bit of tail chasing oxymoronic posturing, that really exposes what it means to be in academentia.

5 Stars - Ohso Says Check it Out!
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About the Movie

The Issue:
The freedom to legitimately challenge “Big Science’s” orthodoxy…without persecution.

The debate over evolution is confusing and to some, bewildering: “Wasn’t this all settled years ago?” The answer to that question is equally troubling: “Yes…and no.”

The truth is that a staggering amount of new scientific evidence has emerged since Darwin’s 150-year-old theory of life’s origins. Darwin had no concept of DNA, microbiology, The Big Bang, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity or of the human genome.

Each of these discoveries has, in one way or another, led a growing number of scientists to reconsider the simple view espoused by Darwin that life is a random, purposeless, chance occurrence. The universe, and life itself – is turning out to be far more complex and mysterious – than Darwin could possibly have imagined.

Darwin’s theory isn’t a single idea. Instead, it is made up of several related ideas, each supported by specific arguments. Of the three, only Evolution #1 can be said to be scientifically “settled.”

• Evolution #1: First, evolution can mean minor changes in features of individual species – changes that take place gradually over a (relatively) modest period of time.

• Evolution #2: The Theory of Universal Common Descent - the idea that all the organisms we see today are descended from a single common ancestor somewhere in the distant past. This theory paints a picture of the history of life on earth as a great branching tree, from a single cell that “somehow” materialized.

• Evolution #3: A cause or mechanism of change, the biological process Darwin thought was responsible for this branching pattern. Darwin argued that natural selection had the power to produce fundamentally new forms of life. Together, the ideas of Universal Common Descent and natural selection form the core of Darwinian evolutionary theory. “Neo – Darwinian” evolution combines our knowledge of DNA and genetics to claim that mutations in DNA provide the variation upon which natural selection acts.

When you see the word “evolution.” You should ask yourself, “Which of the three definitions is being used?” Because arguments and evidence supporting #1 do not support #2 or #3!


What Is Intelligent Design?
The theory of intelligent design is simply an effort to empirically detect whether the “apparent design” in nature acknowledged by virtually all biologists is genuine design (the product of an intelligent cause) or is simply the product of an undirected process such as natural selection acting on random variations.

“Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” rejects the notion that “the case is closed,” and exposes the widespread persecution of scientists and educators who are pursuing legitimate, opposing scientific views to the reigning orthodoxy.

The Controversy

The American public’s awareness and beliefs vis-à-vis our government’s expanding role in defining the curriculum in America’s schools, universities and institutions of science.

Neo-Darwinian theory contends that life is the result of a random, purposeless process.

Neo – Darwinian theory is taught in schools as if it is the only plausible scientific explanation of how life originated and developed. Yet Intelligent Design theory has recently emerged to challenge neo-Darwinian theory.

Both are scientific theories, and the debate is therefore legitimate. Why is the debate being suppressed?

At stake are two very consequential views of existence: Is life purposeful, and intelligently designed? Or is it random and purposeless?

Question #1:

Knowing this - should our government be engaged in official, de facto promotion of the exclusively secular, materialist worldview inherent in neo-Darwinian theory in our nation’s public schools, universities and research institutions? Why?

Question #2:

There is growing support among scientists that there is evidence of intelligent design operating in nature. Yet these scientists, researchers and educators are being routinely persecuted for their scientific views. Who is behind this persecution? Why is this happening in America? How did this situation develop?

Question #3:

Should the enterprise of science somehow be treated differently from all other forms of human knowledge, and accorded a special privilege that exempts it from robust debate or inquiry, especially when such debate or inquiry may alter viewpoints that raise important questions concerning larger issues that extend beyond the limits of science itself?

“Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” presents a point-of-view so powerful, that it literally forces a re-examination of these issues.


What’s At Stake

We all know that ideas have consequences.

And our country was founded on principles of free and open debate.

The differences between these two worldviews are certainly consequential. So…why the suppression of scientific debate?

If in our publicly funded schools, universities and institutions our children continue to be taught only this: that all life on earth is the result of a purposeless, meaningless and undirected process of random mutation and natural selection…

What are the consequences over time of teaching this one-sided worldview as if it were fact rather than theory?

• How will ideas of morality change, if life is thought to be purposeless and undirected?
• How will the role of Government change, if the individual is taught by The State that one is accountable only to ones self?
• How will the role of “science” change, if “Big Science” alone determines our worldview?

Such a change in our government’s official policy represents a deeply troubling shift in our cultural identity and a radical departure from the very principles upon which our country was built. America is the first Democracy that was founded on the distinctive worldview that “a Creator” conferred “inalienable rights” on human beings, rather than the State, or another institution, such as “Big Science.”

So…how was it decided that the teaching of such a profoundly different worldview should become the official position of the United States of America’s public institutions?

Who was behind the decision? And…why?

“Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” looks to scientists on both sides of the issue…and reveals some truly shocking answers.

Sounds interesting, Ohso... I'll keep my eyes open for it.

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The movie "Expelled - No Intelligence Allowed" should be on everybody's Must See list, and particularly for those on this thread with questions about life off of earth.

I found a flash version of it on my favourite movie site. I'll give it a gander.

http://veehd.com/video/1365757_Expel...e-Allowed-2008

Links if you don't have flash player.

http://www.filehippo.com/download_flashplayer_ie/ (internet explorer)

http://www.filehippo.com/download_flashplayer_firefox/ (non-internet explorer)

Unfortunately, for the "Fourth Kind", whenever I try to play it - it holds up at about 1/3 or 1/2 way through, as if it's somehow being bottlednecked

I haven't as yet been able to view it fully, but I am keen to see it.

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Unfortunately, for the "Fourth Kind", whenever I try to play it - it holds up at about 1/3 or 1/2 way through, as if it's somehow being bottlednecked

I haven't as yet been able to view it fully, but I am keen to see it.

I get that with some particular films on that site.

It depends on two main things it seems

1. there's a bitrate average that is displayed on the far right (the higher the better) which differs for each film.

2. Trying to download during peak hours (early evening onwards) definitely affects the buffering speeds.

Alternatively, you could enter the film title in the search facility in this behemoth of a film portal http://www.ovguide.com/ and see if there's a better link for that particular film.

Yes, I quite often rely on OVGuide, it's most commonly come up trumps for me.