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Marriage or Parenthood?

This is a discussion on Marriage or Parenthood? within the Chit chat (MAIN) anti misandry forums, part of the Introduction to anti misandry category; Marriage or Parenthood? (By marriage I mean any hetro cohabiting couple on an intention of permanency) Has anyone considered if ...

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    Marriage or Parenthood?
    (By marriage I mean any hetro cohabiting couple on an intention of permanency)

    Has anyone considered if the reliability of marriage has gone from culture regardless of feminism? If in the future there is just parity between the sexes, and femi-prejudice is no more, would marriages return to a reliable institution?

    I believe it is unlikely somehow. The idea of a permanent life partnership as an intention, seems like a piece of culture that might never return. The relative explosion in wealth and providence over the last century has provided many choices that undermine the mutual dependancy that re-enforced relationships like marriage.

    It’s not something that’s pleasant to consider, but if we’re just kidding ourselves that marriage will reverse its decline if feminism ends, what do we do instead?

    So I wanted to bounce out the idea that if marriage is too untenable in future societies to honour our responsibility to raising children, could an alternative work better?

    Relationships would be whatever that society does by its standards, but parenting could be a separate cultural concept altogether. Has anybody got any thoughts on what such an institution could be?

    What would be the nature of its commitment?

    Would there be legal enforcements?

    Would there be financial incentives for the proper application of parenthood?

    Would there be financial penalties for breaches of parenthood?

    Should there be qualifications for things like child mental and emotional development etc?

    Should there be any difference in the emotional connections of parents and child?

    What do we do if we can’t get an acceptable level of reliable marriage in our cultures to honour our responsibility to children? To me this is a fundamental question to our state of being. I have an outlook that regards the quality of a society’s child rearing, to be a far more profound indicator of civilisation, than many of the more popular assumptions of civilisation.

    The UN lists us as having the most unhappiest children in the developed world. Whatever you think of the UN, believe me, the reality seems to back it up. It’s a dammed disgrace for any society to have, and what’s worse is we don’t seem to have much real concern for it.

    I expect most of you would want to keep supporting marriage, I do; but if we keep betraying our children as a culture, can anyone imagine parenthood alternatives, ?

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    Re: Marriage or Parenthood?

    Marriage would work without the state in the family. I'm going to write about it tomorrow though since now I am doing my homework.

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    TFB- interesting points to consider!

    I think I will just sit back and read the responses rather than comment this time.

    I have wondered what you are wondering....and I do not have any answers.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

    "Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace."
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    Re: Marriage or Parenthood?

    Quote Quote from RebelliousVanilla View Post
    Marriage would work without the state in the family.
    I agree with you. Marriage is a part of culture, of humanity, I don't need a legal contract for me to keep my promise.

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    Marriage or Parenthood?
    (By marriage I mean any hetro cohabiting couple on an intention of permanency)
    .../...
    Relationships would be whatever that society does by its standards, but parenting could be a separate cultural concept altogether. Has anybody got any thoughts on what such an institution could be?

    What would be the nature of its commitment?

    Would there be legal enforcements?

    Would there be financial incentives for the proper application of parenthood?

    Would there be financial penalties for breaches of parenthood?

    Should there be qualifications for things like child mental and emotional development etc?

    Should there be any difference in the emotional connections of parents and child?

    What do we do if we can’t get an acceptable level of reliable marriage in our cultures to honour our responsibility to children?
    I think there already is something, though it does not hold any legal power. It is more of a cultural institution. Marriage has always been, and in many places still is, a cultural institution. The western view of marriage has changed from one that is centered on the family and community to a financially binding legal partnership. Like buying a sex slave yet the slave can at anytime legally take everything you have and become a free person. Oh, yes, very attractive.

    In America, there is this thing in which two (I'll stick with two for now) consenting people come into a permanent contract with each other. It is not legally binding, and both people know this, but they view it as if it were, if not as if it were even stronger. It is not the not the contract that binds them so much as the commitment that they have. Just like a fulcrum is most stable with all the weight on one side, so too is the relationship most stable with all of the responsibility and authority on one side.

    The responsibility is excepted by both. "It takes two to tango" as the saying goes. The consequences of having children is understood beforehand and is a contentious decision. There would be no broken homes as their would be no separation of the family, it is a permanent relationship.

    Sounds good right? Well, what is it? It is the relationship between a master and Gregorian slave.
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