MGTOW - I am the touchstone of my own reality. Which leads to the question: Who am I? And what do I want?

I haven't fully figured this one out yet, though I do know that I have a burning desire to bring clarity into the world.

Lots to learn still.

i think men going their own way doesnt really mean anything. its more like a slogan that you all can identify with that doesnt involve women, or feminism. i suppose it means that all the feminist propaganda to change men into some kind of pet, is not going to work, and the manipulation is going to stop, while you're 'going your own way'

i mean, my brother-in-law has two children with my sister, one J. is 2 and the other D. just over 1, my sister is pretty big headed, but i know she finds it difficult sometimes.. her house is like a bomb site, full of dirty nappies and it hasn't been cleaned in bloody ages. (my mum still calls ME the student though)

anyway, what does my brother in law do when both kids are upset,tired,crying needing attention? ... he takes off, to the shop, to his friends, or god knows where he goes.. he smokes alot of cannabis.

thats him 'going his own way'

my sister wanted the children, not him he already had 2 from a previous relationship. one is 18 and the other 20something, and has children of my own, so my nephews were uncles before they were even born!! i had to wait 26 years..

men have always 'gone their own way'

my dad disapears to some university job he has 3 days a week nobody knows anything about his life down there. he goes his own way...

but you know what they have in common? him and my brother in law? both of them NEVER confront their partners.. they just run away. Im alone alot of the time, but thats because my partner is working alot. (and in bed alot too)

so i hope that statement 'men going their own way' helps you, but for me, it means men running away from situations they cant handle.

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so i hope that statement 'men going their own way' helps you, but for me, it means men running away from situations they cant handle.

Well, it's MEN going their own way, so it's understandable why it doesn't help you?

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so i hope that statement 'men going their own way' helps you, but for me, it means men running away from situations they cant handle.

I don't think taking care of the children, when they are upset and crying and stuff, is the man's job. It's not the kind of work most men care about. We've always been doing other tasks. Now we are forced into a role in which we have no special interest or talent. It's amazing how many men are trying to accommodate women in their absurd demands for role reversal. That's just shows how good willing we are. But in the end, the differences between men and women still come to the surface.

MGTOW

For me it means exactly that. Men going THEIR own way.

Many times I’ve seen the question - “what do you think I should do?” I think it was one of zed’s posts and he basically said that "its not what I think you should do, its what YOU think you should do."

If a man wants to remain a bachelor - fine.

If he wants to ex-pat - fine.

If he wants to get married - fine.

If he wants to marry a foreign woman - fine.

If he wants a certain job so he can live a certain lifestyle - fine.

ETC

Not judging a man for the life that they choose to lead.

What is best for him? Only he can answer that. MGTOW doesn't shame men into living a particular lifestyle, he can choose and though his choice may be different from anothers both are accepted.



Just my $0.02

I agree Selkie men going their own way simply means that those who are wise enough to follow this philosophy simply refuse to be led around by women and do their own thing. But once again something FC doesn't like the sound of she turns into some male bashing sexist propaganda. Why should men stick around overmuch to help with the kids he is just going to be told he can't do it right just because he tries to parent in his own way and she doesn't like it. Men are often confronted by women who have the attitude that it's either her way or he is useless and stupid and when a dad spends too much time with the kids the mother usualy gets jealous and causes trouble because she feels like she is being pushed out of her all important role of being the "better parent or more involved parent". So all of your arguments FC are moot because mothers are usualy the ones who make it hard for a man to care for his kids in his own way.

I have to agree with chevalier here, mother's tend to complain if we don't get involved and then complain if we 'overstep' their invisible boundary of parenting that they 'assume' is their right to impose upon us. As you know, I say that with experience.

As for your brother in-law, I've seen that attitude in my former outlaw family, both the BIL's were drug addicts, soft drugs that is but drug addicts nonetheless, and one of them being a pickle-brain drunkard on top. His way of dealing with stresses his family gave him was to get into screeching matches, rely on his excessive size in a fight and run away with his mommy, who would go out of her way to remove any responsibility on his part. It really was like a family of babies.

I don't know if there's necessarily any correlation, but it seems pickle-brains such as drunkards & druggies are almost incapable of taking any form of responsibility for what happens in their life.

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but you know what they have in common? him and my brother in law? both of them NEVER confront their partners.. they just run away.

Well, perhaps its better to avoid confrontation by running away rather than have one and get forcibly removed!

Im alone alot of the time, but thats because my partner is working alot. (and in bed alot too)

so i hope that statement 'men going their own way' helps you, but for me, it means men running away from situations they cant handle.

Probably a fair appraisal of it, but then again, what a load of shite..

(Sorry, just getting in touch with my feminine side and speaking as I think..)

Men "Give it 8 bags of F" when they think they are not getting the respect due, but they also go off to do things they enjoy, snowboarding, climbing chasing whores, etc..

Women are just jealous of mens time spent elsewhere becuase the attention whores think that they are the only thing a man should ever want to spend time with..

How the fuck can the fish claim that a man who, say, loves climbing, is just escaping from women?

Oddly, when you ask men "why climb so much"? Its often the answer that "I just want to get away from women and all that shit"..

Then, they add..

"Here, you can take all that fucking crap right out of your head and you know it doint matter.."..

I remember having a great time snowboarding earlier this year..

No worries about anything..

Blissfully picking my lines out, enjoying the scenery..

Then, the cunting phone rings and slutbag is pestering wanting to know why I would rather be doing that than playing with my 1 year old son..

"Well bring him here then"

So, she drives up and sits and watches while I carve the hills up..

But just the fact that the fucking bitch had to come and plonk her arse in my space in my time made me feel watched, and of course whe had demands for my attention and that was basically all it was about..

If women were actually useful for anything rather than just a fucking pestering burden then maybe men would want to take them places "there own way"..

I think Selkie expressed it very well

As an artsy person I always felt like an outsider anyway, and I was never satisfied with the simplistic discussion of issues in the mainstream media.

The problem I have with MGTOW is that I really believe that "no man is an island". I don't like the process of atomization that has occured in the West for the last few hundred years, leading to alienated individuals in large impersonal urban centres. Feminism has contributed to this by dissolving the nuclear family.

These days going my own way usually means escaping some female gabfest for quality quiet time alone or with male friends.

But once again something FC doesn't like the sound of she turns into some male bashing sexist propaganda.

chevalier, if you had two kids screaming their heads of, nappies needing changing, etc and you saw you're wife struggling and nearly in tears, would you disapear to the pub or wherever you go?

i just think its selfish and uncaring.

imagine if all the plumbing broke in the house and you needed your wife to put her finger on something, but she said, no, i'm going for a walk??

i dont think you'd feel she cared much about you??

anyway i dont want to talk about the ins and outs of my sisters relationship, i've heard enough about her for 16 lifetimes already.

but can anyone tell me why my dad runs away for 3 days a week? he doesnt even get paid to go to this 'job' he has?? i would apreciate if you guys could help me here because its something i dont understand at all..

he never argues with anyone, just storms out the room, he's very emotional and i think he's quite unhappy really, but whenever i try and be nice to him, he just ignores me.

i couldn't live with my mum either but if it were me, i'd tell her to get lost. She leaves the house in a total mess all the time, and he cleans up after her.

i think she totally uses him

FC

i couldn't live with my mum either but if it were me, i'd tell her to get lost. She leaves the house in a total mess all the time, and he cleans up after her.

Would arguing change anything or would it make it worse? Also note that if you told your mother now to get lost, you get to go to a different place at then end of the day. Your father lives with your mother.

i think she totally uses him

So he is probably feeling used and the way to find some peace is to go to his job.

You pretty much answered your own question.

FC if my wife had two kids screaming I wouldn't wait till she was nearly in tears before I helped her. I am not saying men shouldn't help with kids I mean there is nothing wrong with a man changing diapers or bathing the kids. I have made baby bottles washed clothes, Taken my turn staying up with sick baby thats all part of the fatherhood experience. But what I was saying is with both of my exes no matter what I did or how much I helped it was never good enough and I wound up feeling like a screw up like I was a poor excuse for a father Only years later did I learn that it wasn't me it was them. They were jealous that I spent so much time with my children. Both of them it seemed wanted something to complain to their girlfreinds about or their mothers. So eventually I realised That I wasn't welcome taking care of my own children so for the sake of domestic tranquility I steeped back. But of course it didn't matter because I was still a worthless bastard to them. They really enjoyed being victims and having something to bitch about.

Without going into a boring recollection, I'll only say this: Chevalier - I know precisely where you're coming from...precisely.

he never argues with anyone, just storms out the room, he's very emotional and i think he's quite unhappy really, but whenever i try and be nice to him, he just ignores me.

It sounds to me like is stuck where other men, such as chevalier and myself and many others, have had to go our own way. He seems to have figured out that he has extremely limited options and so, rather than lose everything he's built up (either by himself or in conjunction with your mom) he is choosing to remain silent. I'm betting he walks out of the room to avoid his blood pressure rising.
As for ignoring your efforts at being nice to him, again, perhaps he just realises that any woman - his children included - can be wonderful actors, and lacks trust. That you're not his biological daughter may add to his fear of your trustworthiness, in his eyes.
As for three days a week, I'm going to say the same - again. I'm betting this is a retreat for him...