Men Too Scared To Have Prostate Check

There is a greate lack of information and research about prostate cancer -- which kills as many men as breast cancer kills women.


But what is unsaid in the article is that it does not good to go see a doctor. The usual PSA test finds as many false positives as real results. I talked to my doctor about doctor agout it a while ago and he reccommended against it. Since then I've done a lot of reading. Even invasive, cut in and take a sample for lab analysis, is wrong as often as right. Microscopic studies of cadavers show that the tests are just about useless. What is more, almost all men will get prostate cancer if we live long enough, but for most men it will just sit there. Far more men die with prostate cancer than from it.

But the testing is not the worst of the prostate horror show. If you succeed in getting an accurate test that discovers prostate, and if it's growing, there is NO EFFECTIVE TREATMENT!

The most common "treatment" is surgical removal of the prostate, but even with that extreme measure the average man who gets the surgery does not live longer than the men who refuse the surgery. The 5 year survival after diagnosis is the same whether he gets the surgery or not. If he gets the surgery his remaining life is seriosly deterioriated. Besides the pain of the surgery itself, his sex life is forever removed and he may have to have a piss bag on his leg forever. In exchange for those negative results there is no demonstrated inprovement in his life expectancy.

Medical "treatment" for prostate is butchery for profit, and that is all that it is. The almost total lack of research for men and men's diseases is a shameful disgrace.

Meanwhile, men should be scared to go see a doctor about prostate cancer. There is nothing positive that the doctor can do with current medieval medical practices, and the man may suffer severely from the butchery.

Blessings

Bob

Spot on, Bob. The whole approach of the medical profession and Governments to prostate cancer is lazy and cynical. Nothing like enough attention is paid to it, research is feeble, slow and underfunded, and treatment is patchy. It is truly the cinderella of cancers; and we know exactly why - because only men get it.

The most common test is the archaic and largely discredited PSA, which is little more than guesswork. It can suggest you have cancer when you don't, and can fail to indicate cancer when it is present. So about as much use as a holed umbrella in a hurricane. But replacements are painfully slow in coming over the horizon, as priority is given to refining research into female cancers and saving female lives.

I continue to badger the powers that be here in the UK for an improvement, but am generally ignored. It's a disgraceful scandal. I have a personal axe to grind here too. My father contracted prostate cancer years ago, and his treatment was a bloody disgrace. I will never forgive or forget what those bastards in the NHS did to him; they nearly killed him, and caused him months of totally unnecessary agony. He is still alive today, but his life has been diminished by their careless indifference. If I could achieve one thing in my life, it would be to prevent any other man having to go through that again.

However I might just make an exception for those men in Government and the NHS who could do something but repeatedly fail. Maybe if they all contracted prostate cancer and suffered long bouts of excruciating pain on the road to a reduced lifespan, they might just shift themselves away from their gynocentric attitudes to healthcare, and learn that men are human beings too. I am not a vindictive man, but seeing their attitudes sometimes make me feel that way. What does it take to open their eyes?

Men are going to have to get over their reticence about having a prostate exam.Its no biggie.And if they`re concerned about cleanliness,they can take an enema beforehand.Its important that men do this for themselves,because no one else gives a shit.Mens health is not a priority as far as the government is concerned(the fems have seen to that)but men can and should make their own individual health a personal priority.

Too frightened to see their doctor over prostate problems?

Firstly let's quickly differentiate between a survey from a study. A survey is like a snap poll, it's meaningless. A study is (hopefully) an emprically derived neutral process of exhaustive research that arrives at a conclusion - void of any kind of undue influence.

Also, as with any study or mere survey, one must immediately ask who is conducting and funding this? Moral perspective!

Men, are more so 'shamed' from even enquiring?

Even the survey only declares less than one fifth being scared? or is it reluctant? Who's in charge of definitions anyway?

Is it any suprise men's lack of awareness of cancer directly correlates to the almost non-existent public/private funding attributed to it.

I'm tired of hearing, or insinuated so - how mens dire health disparity is partly/totally their fault for not engaging in the process. Would we hear this regarding female cancer, "Sorry honey, you just didn't speak up, so you're screwed."

This last week in the UK was prostate awareness week (the first time I believe). Their about 25 years too late! As the saying goes, "better late then never." Bollocks!!

Marks and Spencer (one of the UK's largest shopping establishments) took part. I began speaking to them weeks before this happened. Intially they we're only going to contribute 6-7% profits of selected merchandise. I alone canvassed and met in person with selected delegates and managed to raise it to 10% of profits for the whole of the UK.

Furthermore, I didn't leave with my tail tucked between my legs. No, I wanted to be heard regarding the dismal plight regarding men's cancer, and I gave a emotionally laden speech scattered with illuminating facts and figures.

I parted, leaving them with a thought, although a cure for womens cancer is very near (both cervical and breast - technology has allowed teenage girls to now be screened 'early' for this). Essentially, even though very similar numbers of men die of prostate and testicular cancer. Because mens cancer has been ignored? Womens cancer given centre-stage?

If you're a male with either cancer "you're a dead man walking" given how male cancers are said to be 15-20 years behind those of a female equivalent in finding a cure.

Female cancers continue to feast on the "engorged" financial, political and social conscience - religiously invested - whilst the cancerous concerns of men wilt shamefully in the desert of moral oblivion.

The exam is "no biggie" but it is no good either. The medical busine$$ needs to come up with something better before it makes sense for men.

I strongly disagree with your "have to get over reticence" when men are avoiding medical quackery.


I am all in favor of men paying attention to our health, but a man with knowledge and concern will eschew medical butchery unless and until the medical industrial complex can demonstrate some beneficial results.

Most people today make the mistake of assuming that medical "treatment" is safe and effective. Our government requires pharmacutical companies to prove that their pills are safe and effective, but not so for the doctors. Much of the "treatment" is neither safe nor effective, and the butchery done to men who have prostate cancer is neither safe nor effective. Men would be better off to run like hell.

What men should do is to contact our government and other organizations and support increased research on prostate cancer. My local grocery had a prostate research fund raising campaign last year. I support that.

Blessings

Bob

Don't know if anyone has heard of this place before:
http://www.wellmanclinic.org/

It also mentions on the site that 'In Britain four times as many men die of cancer of the prostate as women die of cancer of the cervix.'

Too scared eh?,
Well then, maybe if the people that write this drivel, actually bothered to find out why men are not going for a prostate cancer check, the truth would be told.

OK, how many of you guys here have been to the Dr recently?
How much did it cost you and how long were you there?
I went to the doctor the other day to get a nagging knee problem sorted out, I was there 4 minutes, NZ$65, thank-you.

See, this is what really gets my arse, women here can have a FREE cervical cancer smear AND a FREE mammogram (breast cancer check) all on the tax-payer (Men), but when it comes to that nasty P-word, the Health Department want not a bar of even subsidising visits to the doctor for the examination.
You pay full price, you are male, this is blatant discrimination!

Thank's for the link.

Hope you are well Tom.

Not just regarding cancer/health research, but every essence of society, health, political, and every facet of law.

Democracy? No, merely an illusion of this - that most subscribe to without conflictory doubt.

I think the reason why most guys don't go to docters is because they get ignored or worse mocked a lot of the time. I've had unknown bowel problems for the last 2 years almost. I've been unable to work and been for numerous tests yet everytime I speak to a docter they keep insisting I'm imagining it or some other bollocks.

I've also noticed that when I went for one of the tests(can't remember the name but its a tube up the erm back end) it was all women present. I was in a room with 6 women butt naked and not once did anyone ask about my feelings I was just expected to get on with it. It is a shocking state the way men are treated by health so called professionals.

You are right there. I read a study not long ago about men and the psychological problems with the standard medical process. Most men experience psychological trauma trying to deal with the standard medical process. The doctors make you sign in and then go sit in a waiting room until called, then they make you wait in a little room until the doctor comes by for 30 seconds to check you out. That process works for women, and in fact was designed to be women-friendly. They are men-unfriendly. The medical business has never even tried to accomodate the psychology of men in their process, its all about females.

They know that men's feelings and psychology are hurt by the usual medical prossess, and they don't care.

To blame men for avoiding a process deliberatly set up for females and known to be psychologically traumatizing to men is a misandrist (blame the victims) lie.

Blessings

Bob

I am in the unique position that I have been able to see how they deal with females compared to males. My girlfriend is unwell at the moment as well and though I'd never deny her the help she deserves the difference between her treatments and mine are pretty massive.

Have to be honest here. I've always felt like they've taken good care of me when I've been for some kind of medical treatment.

In the US, females receive more than 75% of medical treatment, most of which is paid for by men.

At the same time, the medical insurance charges are the same for men as for women, making men's insurance hugely overpriced to subsidize feamles.

blessings

Bob